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Dallas police corrupton in 1963
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Bud
2008-03-02 12:40:46 UTC
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Dallas police corrupton in 1963
Tippit was a dirty cop and every other cop in Dallas knew it.
Quote each and everyone of them stipulating this, asshole.
Do your
homework. I talked to Harry Olsen, when he lived in California, and he
assured me that Tippit knew Jack Ruby and had ambition to make money in
his job as a local "COP" ( Olsen called me and I have a letter from
Harry)
I have a letter from Harry. The letter "K".
I lived in Dallas and watched both Dallas police and the Sheriff's police
cars deliver prostitutes and booze to motel residents all over the Dallas
community.
Twat and a shot right to your door, eh? What did it cost you?
I lived in the Alamo Motel (still there , I believe...
You don`t know whether you are stil there?
on the
Dallas Fort Worth Pike ) and after several days living there, the black
handyman informed me that if I wanted anything, including whiskey or
prostitutes. he could arrange it with the Dallas police or the "guys" from
the Sheriff's office. I never needed either----
It`s more a question of want.
however I witnessed many
cases where it was obvious that some residents needed the special services
offered.
This is before cable, so what did you do in your motel room, and
how is your eyesight?
I was without my own automobile and depended on local bus transportation
to get downtown to search for a job.
The TSBD was hiring.
One day, I went outside the Alamo
Motel to catch a bus for downtown ( the bus stop was directly in front of
the Alamo Motel) When I got on the city bus, I went to the back of the
bus which was common in the northern cities, After several minutes, the
bus did not move and I noticed the driver looking at ME , in the large
mirror over his operators's position. When he noticed me looking for the
reason that the bus was not moving, he said,: "Yeah, you Yankee, ....Down
here only "niggers sit in the back of the of the bus. Now, if you want
this bus to move,,,get your ass up front or we don't move."
"And don`t let me catch you drinking out of those "colored only"
drinking fountains!" If you are going to tell stories, don`t forget to
include all the things you`ve read about the South.
In a short time, I became aware that this was not a safe place for a
Yankee to survive...
What was life-threatening at the front of the bus?
and I got on a Greyhound bus , where LHO went to
catch a cab to Oak Cliff, and left the most undesirable place that I have
ever visited in my life
Never been to Philly, eh?
Don't bullshit yourself that the Dallas police, or the Sheriff's office,
were in power to service the people of Dallas. Dallas police were the most
corrupt citizens in the United States in 1963.
Well, this was before telemarketers.
It's no wonder that folks
still believe in a conspiracy in the Coup D'etat that changed the course
of the future of the lives of the American people.
Because you say that the DPD was corrupt? Isn`t that a grand canyon-
type leap?
Shazzam !
"Shape of an asshole!"
personally
believe this was the greatest cover-up in the history of the American
plutocracy.
So great that everybody knows about it?
L'shalom
Allah be Praised.
Let us Prey.
Clever.
Bud
2008-03-02 12:41:38 UTC
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Dallas police corrupton in 1963
Tippit was a dirty cop and every other cop in Dallas knew it.
Quote each and everyone of them stipulating this, asshole.
Do your
homework. I talked to Harry Olsen, when he lived in California, and he
assured me that Tippit knew Jack Ruby and had ambition to make money in
his job as a local "COP" ( Olsen called me and I have a letter from
Harry)
I have a letter from Harry. The letter "K".
I lived in Dallas and watched both Dallas police and the Sheriff's police
cars deliver prostitutes and booze to motel residents all over the Dallas
community.
Twat and a shot right to your door, eh? What did it cost you?
I lived in the Alamo Motel (still there , I believe...
You don`t know whether you are stil there?
on the
Dallas Fort Worth Pike ) and after several days living there, the black
handyman informed me that if I wanted anything, including whiskey or
prostitutes. he could arrange it with the Dallas police or the "guys" from
the Sheriff's office. I never needed either----
It`s more a question of want.
however I witnessed many
cases where it was obvious that some residents needed the special services
offered.
This is before cable, so what did you do in your motel room, and
how is your eyesight?
I was without my own automobile and depended on local bus transportation
to get downtown to search for a job.
The TSBD was hiring.
One day, I went outside the Alamo
Motel to catch a bus for downtown ( the bus stop was directly in front of
the Alamo Motel) When I got on the city bus, I went to the back of the
bus which was common in the northern cities, After several minutes, the
bus did not move and I noticed the driver looking at ME , in the large
mirror over his operators's position. When he noticed me looking for the
reason that the bus was not moving, he said,: "Yeah, you Yankee, ....Down
here only "niggers sit in the back of the of the bus. Now, if you want
this bus to move,,,get your ass up front or we don't move."
"And don`t let me catch you drinking out of those "colored only"
drinking fountains!" If you are going to tell stories, don`t forget to
include all the things you`ve read about the South.
In a short time, I became aware that this was not a safe place for a
Yankee to survive...
What was life-threatening at the front of the bus?
and I got on a Greyhound bus , where LHO went to
catch a cab to Oak Cliff, and left the most undesirable place that I have
ever visited in my life
Never been to Philly, eh?
Don't bullshit yourself that the Dallas police, or the Sheriff's office,
were in power to service the people of Dallas. Dallas police were the most
corrupt citizens in the United States in 1963.
Well, this was before telemarketers.
It's no wonder that folks
still believe in a conspiracy in the Coup D'etat that changed the course
of the future of the lives of the American people.
Because you say that the DPD was corrupt? Isn`t that a grand canyon-
type leap?
Shazzam !
"Shape of an asshole!"
personally
believe this was the greatest cover-up in the history of the American
plutocracy.
So great that everybody knows about it?
L'shalom
Allah be Praised.
Let us Prey.
Clever.
Gil Jesus
2008-03-02 12:51:45 UTC
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Dallas law officers Joe Cody and Al Maddox admit their connection with
organized crime figures Joe Campisi and Carlos Marcello.


j***@gmail.com
2008-03-02 13:26:12 UTC
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Post by Gil Jesus
Dallas law officers Joe Cody and Al Maddox admit their connection with
organized crime figures Joe Campisi and Carlos Marcello.
http://youtu.be/wF0wm6hMjEU
What a surprise, the UnAmerican bigot Jesus would agree with yet
another nut posting here.
aeffects
2008-03-02 17:37:42 UTC
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Post by j***@gmail.com
Post by Gil Jesus
Dallas law officers Joe Cody and Al Maddox admit their connection with
organized crime figures Joe Campisi and Carlos Marcello.
http://youtu.be/wF0wm6hMjEU
What a surprise, the UnAmerican bigot Jesus would agree with yet
another nut posting here.
sitdown you dried up old crone. Assassination research was presented,
you make yourself an obvious embarrassment to the female gender....
j***@gmail.com
2008-03-02 17:43:06 UTC
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Post by aeffects
Post by j***@gmail.com
Post by Gil Jesus
Dallas law officers Joe Cody and Al Maddox admit their connection with
organized crime figures Joe Campisi and Carlos Marcello.
http://youtu.be/wF0wm6hMjEU
What a surprise, the UnAmerican bigot Jesus would agree with yet
another nut posting here.
sitdown you dried up old crone. Assassination research was presented,
you make yourself an obvious embarrassment  to the female gender....
Here doggie doggie doggie, bark when I say bark...jump when I say
jump....can't keep that filth ridden mouth shut can ya Healy. Now be a
good puppy and go lick Bens arse, hes in desperate need of your
cheerleading, he's losing a battle to Harris...how much sadder can
this world become
aeffects
2008-03-02 18:34:47 UTC
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Post by j***@gmail.com
Post by aeffects
Post by j***@gmail.com
Post by Gil Jesus
Dallas law officers Joe Cody and Al Maddox admit their connection with
organized crime figures Joe Campisi and Carlos Marcello.
http://youtu.be/wF0wm6hMjEU
What a surprise, the UnAmerican bigot Jesus would agree with yet
another nut posting here.
sitdown you dried up old crone. Assassination research was presented,
you make yourself an obvious embarrassment to the female gender....
Here doggie doggie doggie, bark when I say bark...jump when I say
jump....can't keep that filth ridden mouth shut can ya Healy. Now be a
good puppy and go lick Bens arse, hes in desperate need of your
cheerleading, he's losing a battle to Harris...how much sadder can
this world become
the crone is supporting a confirmed CTer? LMFAO..... you're confuse
toots-e-roll -- time for your Prozac
Raymond
2008-03-04 05:16:56 UTC
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So the Dallas police were so corrupt, they would willingly participate in
the murder of their country's president but not corrupt enough that in the
past 45 years not one of them could be paid to spill the beans?
To my knowledge no one ever offered to pay a policeman to "SPILL THE
BEANS " with the exception of officer RC Nelson, who wanted to tell
his story for PAYMENT.
What about the movie deal for Wade?
What about Curry's book? Profiting from a tragedy.
You are correct Tony. Many people made money on the the tragedy (and are
still making money) including authors with their books, Groden with his
photography and movie makers like Oliver Stone. And we should not forget
Zapruder and his family. I should have said that Nelson was the only one
(that I am aware of that outright DEMANDED payment for important
information). Hurt never got the information because Hurt refused to pay
Nelson

Some people have even made the study of the tragedy a lifetime pursuit
without pay. I see names on these newsgroups that have been posting for
many years.and to this day we are still seeking the truth..

It is an interesting subject and hopefully one day the world will know if
one angry young man managed to murder JFK all alone or whether it was a
conspiracy involving members of the very government that Kennedy was
allegedly in charge of.

I believe, If I am permitted , that it was a conspiracy and that many
people know all of the details regarding the event. They feel that there
is no point in stirring shit since it smells bad enough unstirred.

Kennedy was not loved by large groups in the military-industrial complex
that President Eisenhower warned us about and who were well pleased when
Kennedy was removed from office with a bullet. I remember that day well,
and I remember the cheering that took place in many circles and especially
among my Mafia friends.

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In 1984,  author, Henry Hurt met Nelson in a parking lot in Corsicana
Texas, where Nelson was in provate business. Nelson told Hurt that he
had waited a long time to tell his story for the record but not
without payment.  Hurt never got the story because Hurt refused to pay
Nelson
pp 161-63-63  Reasonable Doubt
Dallas police corrupton in 1963
Tippit was a dirty cop and every other cop in Dallas knew it. �Do your
homework. �I talked to Harry Olsen, when he lived in California, and he
assured me that Tippit knew Jack Ruby and had ambition to make money in
his job as a local "COP" �( Olsen called me and I have a letter from
Harry)
I lived in Dallas and watched both Dallas police and the Sheriff's police
cars deliver prostitutes and booze to motel residents all over the Dallas
community. I lived in the Alamo Motel (still there , I believe... on the
Dallas Fort Worth Pike ) and after several days living there, the black
handyman informed me that if I wanted anything, including whiskey or
prostitutes. he could arrange it with the Dallas police or the "guys" from
the Sheriff's office. I never needed either---- however I witnessed many
cases where it was obvious that some residents needed the special services
offered.
I was without my own automobile and depended on local bus transportation
to get downtown to search for a job. �One day, I went outside the Alamo
Motel to catch a bus for downtown ( the bus stop was directly in front of
the Alamo Motel) �When I got on the city bus, I went to the back of the
bus which was common in the northern cities, After several minutes, the
bus did not move and I noticed the driver looking at ME , in the large
mirror over his operators's position. When he noticed me looking for the
reason that the bus was not moving, he said,: "Yeah, you Yankee, ....Down
here only "niggers sit in the back of the of the bus. Now, if you want
this bus to move,,,get your ass up front or we don't move."
In a short time, I became aware that this was not a safe place for a
Yankee to survive... and I got on a Greyhound bus , where LHO went to
catch a cab to Oak Cliff, and left the most undesirable place that I have
ever visited in my life
Don't bullshit yourself that the Dallas police, or the Sheriff's office,
were in power to service the people of Dallas. Dallas police were the most
corrupt citizens in the United States in 1963. It's no wonder that folks
still believe in a conspiracy in the Coup D'etat that changed the course
of the future of the lives of the American people. Shazzam ! �personally
believe this was the greatest cover-up in the history of the American
plutocracy.
L'shalom
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Raymond
2008-03-08 00:51:23 UTC
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So the Dallas police were so corrupt, they would willingly participate in
the murder of their country's president but not corrupt enough that in the
past 45 years not one of them could be paid to spill the beans?
To my knowledge no one ever offered to pay a policeman to "SPILL THE
BEANS " with the exception of officer RC Nelson, who wanted to tell
his story for PAYMENT.
What about the movie deal for Wade?
What about Curry's book? Profiting from a tragedy.
 You are correct Tony. Many people made money on the the tragedy (and are
still making money)  including authors with their books, Groden with his
photography and movie makers like Oliver Stone. And we should not forget
 You have no idea what you are talking about. I know Bob personally and he
did not make a LOT of money.
  I said, " Many people made money. "
You specified Groden. Of course a Hollywood filmmaker is going to make a
lot of money even if all he does is pick his nose. Duh!
JFK assassination's final authority on the facts and factoids of the
Dallas coup:

Marsh wrote:
"You have no idea what you are talking about. I know Bob
(Groden)personally and he did not make a LOT of money."

[ But he sure as Hell tried to and didn't care how.]

"You specified Groden. Of course a Hollywood filmmaker is going to
make a
lot of money even if all he does is pick his nose. Duh!"

Author Robert Groden, a Dealey Plaza regular for the past 12 years,
hawked his 11 books and glossy magazines about the assassination from
a table set up between the grassy knoll and Elm Street, where Kennedy
and Gov. John Connally were shot.

"Dallas hoped it had put all this behind it in the 1980s," said Jeff
West, executive director of the Sixth Floor Museum at Dealey Plaza.
"We had America's Team, and a wonderfully trashy TV show about us." In
short, Dallas hoped the rest of the country would obsess about who
shot JR, rather than who shot JFK.

Not much chance of that. In Dealey Plaza, someone for years has been
painting a big X in the center lane on Elm Street as it slopes down
toward the Triple Underpass: It purports to mark the exact spot where
Kennedy was struck by the fatal bullet. This is just about the only
fact in the case with which the majority of conspiracy buffs and lone-
gunman advocates agree. And it's slightly wrong.

The X is, according to the Dallas Morning News, the work of 57-year-
old Robert Groden, one of several men who regularly HAWK conspiracy
pamphlets in Dealey Plaza. The problem is that the lanes have been re-
striped since 1963, and the X is actually about 6 inches too far to
the west.

"If it is off," Groden conceded, "it's not off by much."

( Groden is off the charts of morality)

Authors opinion......Zapruder reported that he sold his film to Time-
Life on Saturday 23 November ....Enter Robert Groden. who made a copy
and made a career of it.”

Nearly every day of the year, Groden and other conspiracy buffs man
card tables around the plaza, pointing out suspicious (and bogus)
bullet marks in the pavement and expounding on theories ranging from
plausible to laughable. A few appear to be true believers; many are
merely pitchmen for $5 brochures. When I pointed out to one hawker, 35-
year-old Jimmy Longoria, that he hadn't even been born when Kennedy
was shot, he drawled, "I wasn't around when Jesus was alive, either.
But I still go to church."

http://www.truthdig.com/eartotheground/item/20061123_eclectic_crowd_marks_jfk_anniversary/

Robert J. Groden : Friend of JFK final authority on Dallas Ambush,
Tony Marsh:

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Robert J. Groden (born November 22, 1945) is an American author and
photographer, and a SELF-proclaimed and widely acknowledged expert on
the assassination of former U.S. President John F. Kennedy. His books
include JFK: The Case for Conspiracy, The Killing of a President: The
Complete Photographic Record of the JFK Assassination, and The Search
for Lee Harvey Oswald: A Comprehensive Photographic Record. He served
as a photographic consultant to the Congressional investigation that
concluded the assassination was "probably" a conspiracy.

Groden attended Forest Hills High School in Queens, New York but left
in the 11th grade . He joined the Army in 1964 and first became
interested in the JFK assassination (1963) that same year . A harsh
critic of the Warren Commission, he was one of several photographic
consultants to the House Select Committee on Assassinations (HSCA) and
testified at the 1975 United States President's Commission on CIA
activities within the United States, sometimes referred to
(improperly) as the Rockefeller Commission.

By his own admission at the OJ Simpson civil trial, Groden is a high
school dropout with no formal photography training of any kind. He is
not certified by any professional photography organizations and, in
fact, does not even know the names of such organizations. He has never
taught any photography classes nor has he ever published anything with
respect to photography. He was discharged from the Army for
"inadaptibility to military life."

He was a consultant for Oliver Stone's 1991 film JFK.

As well as his own publications, Groden co-authored with Harrison E.
Livingstone the book High Treason: The Assassination of President John
F. Kennedy & the Case for Conspiracy.

During the O.J. Simpson civil trial, Groden appeared as an expert
witness and testified that a photograph of Simpson wearing Bruno Magli
shoes at a 1993 football game was a fake. After thirty other photos by
a different photographer of Simpson on the same day wearing the same
clothes — including the shoes — surfaced, Groden maintained that the
photograph was a forgery.

Groden sued Random House over a 1993 New York Times advertisement for
Gerald Posner's book Case Closed where he was featured along with
other conspiracy theorists and declared "guilty of misleading the
American public." The U.S. District Court issued a summary judgment
and dismissed the case

"OUCH"

Groden: OINK OINK
http://www.shutterstock.com/pic-8917750-cute-pink-piggy-bank-standing-on-stacks-of-dollar-bills-isolated-on-white.html

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Zapruder and his family. I should have said that Nelson was the only one
And Zapruder was not a conspiracy theorist. Neither was Gerald Ford
(publicly) or David Belin (publicly).
(that I am aware of that outright DEMANDED payment for important
information). Hurt never got the information because Hurt refused to pay
Nelson
Some people have even made the study of the tragedy a lifetime pursuit
without pay. I see names on these newsgroups that have been posting for
many years.and to this day we are still seeking the truth..
It is an interesting subject and hopefully one day the world will know if
one angry young man managed to murder JFK all alone or whether it was a
conspiracy involving members of the very government that Kennedy was
allegedly in charge of.
I reject your notion that the conspirators represent our very
government. The idea of a coup is that a faction out of power grabs power.
 " I reject your notion that the conspirators represent our very
government.  The idea of a coup is that a faction out of power grabs
power."
  Do you reazile what you just admitted to?  That's exactly why JFK was
murfered.....The idea of a coup is that a faction out of power grabs
power.
I believe, If I am permitted , that it was a conspiracy and that many
people know all of the details regarding the event. They feel that there
is no point in stirring shit since it smells bad enough unstirred.
And maybe they have revealed it already.
Kennedy was not loved by large groups in the military-industrial complex
that President Eisenhower warned us about and who were well pleased when
Kennedy was removed from office with a bullet. I remember that day well,
and I remember the cheering that took place in many circles and especially
among my Mafia friends.
------------------
In 1984,  author, Henry Hurt met Nelson in a parking lot in Corsicana
Texas, where Nelson was in provate business. Nelson told Hurt that he
had waited a long time to tell his story for the record but not
without payment.  Hurt never got the story because Hurt refused to pay
Nelson
pp 161-63-63  Reasonable Doubt
Dallas police corrupton in 1963
Tippit was a dirty cop and every other cop in Dallas knew it. �Do your
homework. �I talked to Harry Olsen, when he lived in California, and he
assured me that Tippit knew Jack Ruby and had ambition to make money in
his job as a local "COP" �( Olsen called me and I have a letter from
Harry)
I lived in Dallas and watched both Dallas police and the Sheriff's police
cars deliver prostitutes and booze to motel residents all over the Dallas
community. I lived in the Alamo Motel (still there , I believe... on the
Dallas Fort Worth Pike ) and after several days living there, the black
handyman informed me that if I wanted anything, including whiskey or
prostitutes. he could arrange it with the Dallas police or the "guys" from
the Sheriff's office. I never needed either---- however I witnessed many
cases where it was obvious that some residents needed the special services
offered.
I was without my own automobile and depended on local bus transportation
to get downtown to search for a job. �One day, I went outside the Alamo
Motel to catch a bus for downtown ( the bus stop was directly in front of
the Alamo Motel) �When I got on the city bus, I went to the back of the
bus which was common in the northern cities, After several minutes, the
bus did not move and I noticed the driver looking at ME , in the large
mirror over his operators's position. When he noticed me looking for the
reason that the bus was not moving, he said,: "Yeah, you Yankee, ....Down
here only "niggers sit in the back of the of the bus. Now, if you want
this bus to move,,,get your ass up front or we don't move."
In a short time, I became aware that this was not a safe place for a
Yankee to survive... and I got on a Greyhound bus , where LHO went to
catch a cab to Oak Cliff, and left the most undesirable place that I have
ever visited in my life
Don't bullshit yourself that the Dallas police, or the Sheriff's office,
were in power to service the people of Dallas. Dallas police were the most
corrupt citizens in the United States in 1963. It's no wonder that folks
still believe in a conspiracy in the Coup D'etat that changed the course
of the future of the lives of the American people. Shazzam ! �personally
believe this was the greatest cover-up in the history of the American
plutocracy.
L'shalom
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YoHarvey
2008-03-08 03:14:33 UTC
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Post by Raymond
So the Dallas police were so corrupt, they would willingly participate in
the murder of their country's president but not corrupt enough that in the
past 45 years not one of them could be paid to spill the beans?
To my knowledge no one ever offered to pay a policeman to "SPILL THE
BEANS " with the exception of officer RC Nelson, who wanted to tell
his story for PAYMENT.
What about the movie deal for Wade?
What about Curry's book? Profiting from a tragedy.
 You are correct Tony. Many people made money on the the tragedy (and are
still making money)  including authors with their books, Groden with his
photography and movie makers like Oliver Stone. And we should not forget
 You have no idea what you are talking about. I know Bob personally and he
did not make a LOT of money.
  I said, " Many people made money. "
You specified Groden. Of course a Hollywood filmmaker is going to make a
lot of money even if all he does is pick his nose. Duh!
JFK assassination's final authority on the facts and factoids of the
  "You have no idea what you are talking about. I know Bob
(Groden)personally and he did not make a LOT of money."
[ But he sure as Hell tried to and didn't care how.]
"You specified Groden. Of course a Hollywood filmmaker is going to
make a
 lot of money even if all he does is pick his nose. Duh!"
Author Robert Groden, a Dealey Plaza regular for the past 12 years,
hawked his 11 books and glossy magazines about the assassination from
a table set up between the grassy knoll and Elm Street, where Kennedy
and Gov. John Connally were shot.
"Dallas hoped it had put all this behind it in the 1980s," said Jeff
West, executive director of the Sixth Floor Museum at Dealey Plaza.
"We had America's Team, and a wonderfully trashy TV show about us." In
short, Dallas hoped the rest of the country would obsess about who
shot JR, rather than who shot JFK.
Not much chance of that. In Dealey Plaza, someone for years has been
painting a big X in the center lane on Elm Street as it slopes down
toward the Triple Underpass: It purports to mark the exact spot where
Kennedy was struck by the fatal bullet. This is just about the only
fact in the case with which the majority of conspiracy buffs and lone-
gunman advocates agree. And it's slightly wrong.
The X is, according to the Dallas Morning News, the work of 57-year-
old Robert Groden, one of several men who regularly HAWK conspiracy
pamphlets in Dealey Plaza. The problem is that the lanes have been re-
striped since 1963, and the X is actually about 6 inches too far to
the west.
"If it is off," Groden conceded, "it's not off by much."
( Groden is off the charts of morality)
Authors opinion......Zapruder reported that he sold his film to Time-
Life on Saturday 23 November ....Enter Robert Groden. who made a copy
and made a career of it.”
Nearly every day of the year, Groden and other conspiracy buffs man
card tables around the plaza, pointing out suspicious (and bogus)
bullet marks in the pavement and expounding on theories ranging from
plausible to laughable. A few appear to be true believers; many are
merely pitchmen for $5 brochures. When I pointed out to one hawker, 35-
year-old Jimmy Longoria, that he hadn't even been born when Kennedy
was shot, he drawled, "I wasn't around when Jesus was alive, either.
But I still go to church."
http://www.truthdig.com/eartotheground/item/20061123_eclectic_crowd_m...
Robert J. Groden : Friend of JFK final authority on Dallas Ambush,
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Robert J. Groden (born November 22, 1945) is an American author and
photographer, and a SELF-proclaimed and widely acknowledged expert on
the assassination of former U.S. President John F. Kennedy. His books
include JFK: The Case for Conspiracy, The Killing of a President: The
Complete Photographic Record of the JFK Assassination, and The Search
for Lee Harvey Oswald: A Comprehensive Photographic Record. He served
as a photographic consultant to the Congressional investigation that
concluded the assassination was "probably" a conspiracy.
Groden attended Forest Hills High School in Queens, New York but left
in the 11th grade . He joined the Army in 1964 and first became
interested in the JFK assassination (1963) that same year . A harsh
critic of the Warren Commission, he was one of several photographic
consultants to the House Select Committee on Assassinations (HSCA) and
testified at the 1975 United States President's Commission on CIA
activities within the United States, sometimes referred to
(improperly) as the Rockefeller Commission.
By his own admission at the OJ Simpson civil trial, Groden is a high
school dropout with no formal photography training of any kind. He is
not certified by any professional photography organizations and, in
fact, does not even know the names of such organizations. He has never
taught any photography classes nor has he ever published anything with
respect to photography. He was discharged from the Army for
"inadaptibility to military life."
He was a consultant for Oliver Stone's 1991 film JFK.
As well as his own publications, Groden co-authored with Harrison E.
Livingstone the book High Treason: The Assassination of President John
F. Kennedy & the Case for Conspiracy.
During the O.J. Simpson civil trial, Groden appeared as an expert
witness and testified that a photograph of Simpson wearing Bruno Magli
shoes at a 1993 football game was a fake. After thirty other photos by
a different photographer of Simpson on the same day wearing the same
clothes — including the shoes — surfaced, Groden maintained that the
photograph was a forgery.
Groden sued Random House over a 1993 New York Times advertisement for
Gerald Posner's book Case Closed where he was featured along with
other conspiracy theorists and declared "guilty of misleading the
American public." The U.S. District Court issued a summary judgment
and dismissed the case
"OUCH"
Groden: OINK OINKhttp://www.shutterstock.com/pic-8917750-cute-pink-piggy-bank-standing...
=================
Zapruder and his family. I should have said that Nelson was the only one
And Zapruder was not a conspiracy theorist. Neither was Gerald Ford
(publicly) or David Belin (publicly).
(that I am aware of that outright DEMANDED payment for important
information). Hurt never got the information because Hurt refused to pay
Nelson
Some people have even made the study of the tragedy a lifetime pursuit
without pay. I see names on these newsgroups that have been posting for
many years.and to this day we are still seeking the truth..
It is an interesting subject and hopefully one day the world will know if
one angry young man managed to murder JFK all alone or whether it was a
conspiracy involving members of the very government that Kennedy was
allegedly in charge of.
I reject your notion that the conspirators represent our very
government. The idea of a coup is that a faction out of power grabs power.
 " I reject your notion that the conspirators represent our very
government.  The idea of a coup is that a faction out of power grabs
power."
  Do you reazile what you just admitted to?  That's exactly why JFK was
murfered.....The idea of a coup is that a faction out of power grabs
power.
I believe, If I am permitted , that it was a conspiracy and that many
people know all of the details regarding the event. They feel that there
is no point in stirring shit since it smells bad enough unstirred.
And maybe they have revealed it already.
Kennedy was not loved by large groups in the military-industrial complex
that President Eisenhower warned us about and who were well pleased when
Kennedy was removed from office with a bullet. I remember that day well,
and I remember the cheering that took place in many circles and especially
among my Mafia friends.
------------------
In 1984,  author, Henry Hurt met Nelson in a parking lot in Corsicana
Texas, where Nelson was in provate business. Nelson told Hurt that he
had waited a long time to tell his story for the record but not
without payment.  Hurt never got the story because Hurt refused to pay
Nelson
pp 161-63-63  Reasonable Doubt
Dallas police corrupton in 1963
Tippit was a dirty cop and every other cop in Dallas knew it. �Do your
homework. �I talked to Harry Olsen, when he lived in California, and he
assured me that Tippit knew Jack Ruby and had ambition to make money in
his job as a local "COP" �( Olsen called me and I have a letter from
Harry)
I lived in Dallas and watched both Dallas police and the Sheriff's police
cars deliver prostitutes and booze to motel residents all over the Dallas
community. I lived in the Alamo Motel (still there , I believe... on the
Dallas Fort Worth Pike ) and after several days living there, the black
handyman informed me that if I wanted anything, including whiskey or
prostitutes. he could arrange it with the Dallas police or the "guys" from
the Sheriff's office. I never needed either---- however I witnessed many
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cars deliver prostitutes and booze to motel residents all over the Dallas
community.
Interesting. Isn't there job to protect and SERVE? Well, they're
serving :-)
YoHarvey
2008-03-08 16:01:10 UTC
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Post by Raymond
So the Dallas police were so corrupt, they would willingly participate in
the murder of their country's president but not corrupt enough that in the
past 45 years not one of them could be paid to spill the beans?
To my knowledge no one ever offered to pay a policeman to "SPILL THE
BEANS " with the exception of officer RC Nelson, who wanted to tell
his story for PAYMENT.
What about the movie deal for Wade?
What about Curry's book? Profiting from a tragedy.
 You are correct Tony. Many people made money on the the tragedy (and are
still making money)  including authors with their books, Groden with his
photography and movie makers like Oliver Stone. And we should not forget
 You have no idea what you are talking about. I know Bob personally and he
did not make a LOT of money.
  I said, " Many people made money. "
You specified Groden. Of course a Hollywood filmmaker is going to make a
lot of money even if all he does is pick his nose. Duh!
JFK assassination's final authority on the facts and factoids of the
  "You have no idea what you are talking about. I know Bob
(Groden)personally and he did not make a LOT of money."
[ But he sure as Hell tried to and didn't care how.]
"You specified Groden. Of course a Hollywood filmmaker is going to
make a
 lot of money even if all he does is pick his nose. Duh!"
Author Robert Groden, a Dealey Plaza regular for the past 12 years,
hawked his 11 books and glossy magazines about the assassination from
a table set up between the grassy knoll and Elm Street, where Kennedy
and Gov. John Connally were shot.
"Dallas hoped it had put all this behind it in the 1980s," said Jeff
West, executive director of the Sixth Floor Museum at Dealey Plaza.
"We had America's Team, and a wonderfully trashy TV show about us." In
short, Dallas hoped the rest of the country would obsess about who
shot JR, rather than who shot JFK.
Not much chance of that. In Dealey Plaza, someone for years has been
painting a big X in the center lane on Elm Street as it slopes down
toward the Triple Underpass: It purports to mark the exact spot where
Kennedy was struck by the fatal bullet. This is just about the only
fact in the case with which the majority of conspiracy buffs and lone-
gunman advocates agree. And it's slightly wrong.
The X is, according to the Dallas Morning News, the work of 57-year-
old Robert Groden, one of several men who regularly HAWK conspiracy
pamphlets in Dealey Plaza. The problem is that the lanes have been re-
striped since 1963, and the X is actually about 6 inches too far to
the west.
"If it is off," Groden conceded, "it's not off by much."
( Groden is off the charts of morality)
Authors opinion......Zapruder reported that he sold his film to Time-
Life on Saturday 23 November ....Enter Robert Groden. who made a copy
and made a career of it.”
Nearly every day of the year, Groden and other conspiracy buffs man
card tables around the plaza, pointing out suspicious (and bogus)
bullet marks in the pavement and expounding on theories ranging from
plausible to laughable. A few appear to be true believers; many are
merely pitchmen for $5 brochures. When I pointed out to one hawker, 35-
year-old Jimmy Longoria, that he hadn't even been born when Kennedy
was shot, he drawled, "I wasn't around when Jesus was alive, either.
But I still go to church."
http://www.truthdig.com/eartotheground/item/20061123_eclectic_crowd_m...
Robert J. Groden : Friend of JFK final authority on Dallas Ambush,
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Robert J. Groden (born November 22, 1945) is an American author and
photographer, and a SELF-proclaimed and widely acknowledged expert on
the assassination of former U.S. President John F. Kennedy. His books
include JFK: The Case for Conspiracy, The Killing of a President: The
Complete Photographic Record of the JFK Assassination, and The Search
for Lee Harvey Oswald: A Comprehensive Photographic Record. He served
as a photographic consultant to the Congressional investigation that
concluded the assassination was "probably" a conspiracy.
Groden attended Forest Hills High School in Queens, New York but left
in the 11th grade . He joined the Army in 1964 and first became
interested in the JFK assassination (1963) that same year . A harsh
critic of the Warren Commission, he was one of several photographic
consultants to the House Select Committee on Assassinations (HSCA) and
testified at the 1975 United States President's Commission on CIA
activities within the United States, sometimes referred to
(improperly) as the Rockefeller Commission.
By his own admission at the OJ Simpson civil trial, Groden is a high
school dropout with no formal photography training of any kind. He is
not certified by any professional photography organizations and, in
fact, does not even know the names of such organizations. He has never
taught any photography classes nor has he ever published anything with
respect to photography. He was discharged from the Army for
"inadaptibility to military life."
He was a consultant for Oliver Stone's 1991 film JFK.
As well as his own publications, Groden co-authored with Harrison E.
Livingstone the book High Treason: The Assassination of President John
F. Kennedy & the Case for Conspiracy.
During the O.J. Simpson civil trial, Groden appeared as an expert
witness and testified that a photograph of Simpson wearing Bruno Magli
shoes at a 1993 football game was a fake. After thirty other photos by
a different photographer of Simpson on the same day wearing the same
clothes — including the shoes — surfaced, Groden maintained that the
photograph was a forgery.
Groden sued Random House over a 1993 New York Times advertisement for
Gerald Posner's book Case Closed where he was featured along with
other conspiracy theorists and declared "guilty of misleading the
American public." The U.S. District Court issued a summary judgment
and dismissed the case
"OUCH"
Groden: OINK OINKhttp://www.shutterstock.com/pic-8917750-cute-pink-piggy-bank-standing...
=================
Zapruder and his family. I should have said that Nelson was the only one
And Zapruder was not a conspiracy theorist. Neither was Gerald Ford
(publicly) or David Belin (publicly).
(that I am aware of that outright DEMANDED payment for important
information). Hurt never got the information because Hurt refused to pay
Nelson
Some people have even made the study of the tragedy a lifetime pursuit
without pay. I see names on these newsgroups that have been posting for
many years.and to this day we are still seeking the truth..
It is an interesting subject and hopefully one day the world will know if
one angry young man managed to murder JFK all alone or whether it was a
conspiracy involving members of the very government that Kennedy was
allegedly in charge of.
I reject your notion that the conspirators represent our very
government. The idea of a coup is that a faction out of power grabs power.
 " I reject your notion that the conspirators represent our very
government.  The idea of a coup is that a faction out of power grabs
power."
  Do you reazile what you just admitted to?  That's exactly why JFK was
murfered.....The idea of a coup is that a faction out of power grabs
power.
I believe, If I am permitted , that it was a conspiracy and that many
people know all of the details regarding the event. They feel that there
is no point in stirring shit since it smells bad enough unstirred.
And maybe they have revealed it already.
Kennedy was not loved by large groups in the military-industrial complex
that President Eisenhower warned us about and who were well pleased when
Kennedy was removed from office with a bullet. I remember that day well,
and I remember the cheering that took place in many circles and especially
among my Mafia friends.
------------------
In 1984,  author, Henry Hurt met Nelson in a parking lot in Corsicana
Texas, where Nelson was in provate business. Nelson told Hurt that he
had waited a long time to tell his story for the record but not
without payment.  Hurt never got the story because Hurt refused to pay
Nelson
pp 161-63-63  Reasonable Doubt
Dallas police corrupton in 1963
Tippit was a dirty cop and every other cop in Dallas knew it. �Do your
homework. �I talked to Harry Olsen, when he lived in California, and he
assured me that Tippit knew Jack Ruby and had ambition to make money in
his job as a local "COP" �( Olsen called me and I have a letter from
Harry)
I lived in Dallas and watched both Dallas police and the Sheriff's police
cars deliver prostitutes and booze to motel residents all over the Dallas
community. I lived in the Alamo Motel (still there , I believe... on the
Dallas Fort Worth Pike ) and after several days living there, the black
handyman informed me that if I wanted anything, including whiskey or
prostitutes. he could arrange it with the Dallas police or the "guys" from
the Sheriff's office. I never needed either---- however I witnessed many
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cars deliver prostitutes and booze to motel residents all over the Dallas
community.
Is not their job to protect and SERVE? What's the problem? ;-).
Gee, back then, even Jesus could have gotten laid!
aeffects
2008-03-08 17:00:12 UTC
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Post by Raymond
So the Dallas police were so corrupt, they would willingly participate in
the murder of their country's president but not corrupt enough that in the
past 45 years not one of them could be paid to spill the beans?
To my knowledge no one ever offered to pay a policeman to "SPILL THE
BEANS " with the exception of officer RC Nelson, who wanted to tell
his story for PAYMENT.
What about the movie deal for Wade?
What about Curry's book? Profiting from a tragedy.
You are correct Tony. Many people made money on the the tragedy (and are
still making money) including authors with their books, Groden with his
photography and movie makers like Oliver Stone. And we should not forget
You have no idea what you are talking about. I know Bob personally and he
did not make a LOT of money.
I said, " Many people made money. "
You specified Groden. Of course a Hollywood filmmaker is going to make a
lot of money even if all he does is pick his nose. Duh!
JFK assassination's final authority on the facts and factoids of the
"You have no idea what you are talking about. I know Bob
(Groden)personally and he did not make a LOT of money."
[ But he sure as Hell tried to and didn't care how.]
"You specified Groden. Of course a Hollywood filmmaker is going to
make a
lot of money even if all he does is pick his nose. Duh!"
Author Robert Groden, a Dealey Plaza regular for the past 12 years,
hawked his 11 books and glossy magazines about the assassination from
a table set up between the grassy knoll and Elm Street, where Kennedy
and Gov. John Connally were shot.
"Dallas hoped it had put all this behind it in the 1980s," said Jeff
West, executive director of the Sixth Floor Museum at Dealey Plaza.
"We had America's Team, and a wonderfully trashy TV show about us." In
short, Dallas hoped the rest of the country would obsess about who
shot JR, rather than who shot JFK.
Not much chance of that. In Dealey Plaza, someone for years has been
painting a big X in the center lane on Elm Street as it slopes down
toward the Triple Underpass: It purports to mark the exact spot where
Kennedy was struck by the fatal bullet. This is just about the only
fact in the case with which the majority of conspiracy buffs and lone-
gunman advocates agree. And it's slightly wrong.
The X is, according to the Dallas Morning News, the work of 57-year-
old Robert Groden, one of several men who regularly HAWK conspiracy
pamphlets in Dealey Plaza. The problem is that the lanes have been re-
striped since 1963, and the X is actually about 6 inches too far to
the west.
"If it is off," Groden conceded, "it's not off by much."
( Groden is off the charts of morality)
Authors opinion......Zapruder reported that he sold his film to Time-
Life on Saturday 23 November ....Enter Robert Groden. who made a copy
and made a career of it.”
Nearly every day of the year, Groden and other conspiracy buffs man
card tables around the plaza, pointing out suspicious (and bogus)
bullet marks in the pavement and expounding on theories ranging from
plausible to laughable. A few appear to be true believers; many are
merely pitchmen for $5 brochures. When I pointed out to one hawker, 35-
year-old Jimmy Longoria, that he hadn't even been born when Kennedy
was shot, he drawled, "I wasn't around when Jesus was alive, either.
But I still go to church."
http://www.truthdig.com/eartotheground/item/20061123_eclectic_crowd_m...
Robert J. Groden : Friend of JFK final authority on Dallas Ambush,
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Robert J. Groden (born November 22, 1945) is an American author and
photographer, and a SELF-proclaimed and widely acknowledged expert on
the assassination of former U.S. President John F. Kennedy. His books
include JFK: The Case for Conspiracy, The Killing of a President: The
Complete Photographic Record of the JFK Assassination, and The Search
for Lee Harvey Oswald: A Comprehensive Photographic Record. He served
as a photographic consultant to the Congressional investigation that
concluded the assassination was "probably" a conspiracy.
Groden attended Forest Hills High School in Queens, New York but left
in the 11th grade . He joined the Army in 1964 and first became
interested in the JFK assassination (1963) that same year . A harsh
critic of the Warren Commission, he was one of several photographic
consultants to the House Select Committee on Assassinations (HSCA) and
testified at the 1975 United States President's Commission on CIA
activities within the United States, sometimes referred to
(improperly) as the Rockefeller Commission.
By his own admission at the OJ Simpson civil trial, Groden is a high
school dropout with no formal photography training of any kind. He is
not certified by any professional photography organizations and, in
fact, does not even know the names of such organizations. He has never
taught any photography classes nor has he ever published anything with
respect to photography. He was discharged from the Army for
"inadaptibility to military life."
He was a consultant for Oliver Stone's 1991 film JFK.
As well as his own publications, Groden co-authored with Harrison E.
Livingstone the book High Treason: The Assassination of President John
F. Kennedy & the Case for Conspiracy.
During the O.J. Simpson civil trial, Groden appeared as an expert
witness and testified that a photograph of Simpson wearing Bruno Magli
shoes at a 1993 football game was a fake. After thirty other photos by
a different photographer of Simpson on the same day wearing the same
clothes — including the shoes — surfaced, Groden maintained that the
photograph was a forgery.
Groden sued Random House over a 1993 New York Times advertisement for
Gerald Posner's book Case Closed where he was featured along with
other conspiracy theorists and declared "guilty of misleading the
American public." The U.S. District Court issued a summary judgment
and dismissed the case
"OUCH"
Groden: OINK OINKhttp://www.shutterstock.com/pic-8917750-cute-pink-piggy-bank-standing...
=================
Post by Raymond
Zapruder and his family. I should have said that Nelson was the only one
And Zapruder was not a conspiracy theorist. Neither was Gerald Ford
(publicly) or David Belin (publicly).
Post by Raymond
(that I am aware of that outright DEMANDED payment for important
information). Hurt never got the information because Hurt refused to pay
Nelson
Some people have even made the study of the tragedy a lifetime pursuit
without pay. I see names on these newsgroups that have been posting for
many years.and to this day we are still seeking the truth..
It is an interesting subject and hopefully one day the world will know if
one angry young man managed to murder JFK all alone or whether it was a
conspiracy involving members of the very government that Kennedy was
allegedly in charge of.
I reject your notion that the conspirators represent our very
government. The idea of a coup is that a faction out of power grabs power.
" I reject your notion that the conspirators represent our very
government. The idea of a coup is that a faction out of power grabs
power."
Do you reazile what you just admitted to? That's exactly why JFK was
murfered.....The idea of a coup is that a faction out of power grabs
power.
Post by Raymond
I believe, If I am permitted , that it was a conspiracy and that many
people know all of the details regarding the event. They feel that there
is no point in stirring shit since it smells bad enough unstirred.
And maybe they have revealed it already.
Post by Raymond
Kennedy was not loved by large groups in the military-industrial complex
that President Eisenhower warned us about and who were well pleased when
Kennedy was removed from office with a bullet. I remember that day well,
and I remember the cheering that took place in many circles and especially
among my Mafia friends.
------------------
In 1984, author, Henry Hurt met Nelson in a parking lot in Corsicana
Texas, where Nelson was in provate business. Nelson told Hurt that he
had waited a long time to tell his story for the record but not
without payment. Hurt never got the story because Hurt refused to pay
Nelson
pp 161-63-63 Reasonable Doubt
Dallas police corrupton in 1963
Tippit was a dirty cop and every other cop in Dallas knew it. �Do your
homework. �I talked to Harry Olsen, when he lived in California, and he
assured me that Tippit knew Jack Ruby and had ambition to make money in
his job as a local "COP" �( Olsen called me and I have a letter from
Harry)
I lived in Dallas and watched both Dallas police and the Sheriff's police
cars deliver prostitutes and booze to motel residents all over the Dallas
community. I lived in the Alamo Motel (still there , I believe... on the
Dallas Fort Worth Pike ) and after several days living there, the black
handyman informed me that if I wanted anything, including whiskey or
prostitutes. he could arrange it with the Dallas police or the "guys" from
the Sheriff's office. I never needed either---- however I witnessed many
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Post by Raymond
cars deliver prostitutes and booze to motel residents all over the Dallas
community.
Is not their job to protect and SERVE? What's the problem? ;-).
Gee, back then, even Jesus could have gotten laid!
from what your brother says, as a kid, he even had to teach you how to
pull your pud.... so what's this nonsense you know anything about
getting laid? So, is it true you had a "eye-opening" experience while
in prison, you meet Mr. Big? LMFAO!
YoHarvey
2008-03-08 17:06:35 UTC
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Post by aeffects
Post by Raymond
So the Dallas police were so corrupt, they would willingly participate in
the murder of their country's president but not corrupt enough that in the
past 45 years not one of them could be paid to spill the beans?
To my knowledge no one ever offered to pay a policeman to "SPILL THE
BEANS " with the exception of officer RC Nelson, who wanted to tell
his story for PAYMENT.
What about the movie deal for Wade?
What about Curry's book? Profiting from a tragedy.
 You are correct Tony. Many people made money on the the tragedy (and are
still making money)  including authors with their books, Groden with his
photography and movie makers like Oliver Stone. And we should not forget
 You have no idea what you are talking about. I know Bob personally and he
did not make a LOT of money.
  I said, " Many people made money. "
You specified Groden. Of course a Hollywood filmmaker is going to make a
lot of money even if all he does is pick his nose. Duh!
JFK assassination's final authority on the facts and factoids of the
  "You have no idea what you are talking about. I know Bob
(Groden)personally and he did not make a LOT of money."
[ But he sure as Hell tried to and didn't care how.]
"You specified Groden. Of course a Hollywood filmmaker is going to
make a
 lot of money even if all he does is pick his nose. Duh!"
Author Robert Groden, a Dealey Plaza regular for the past 12 years,
hawked his 11 books and glossy magazines about the assassination from
a table set up between the grassy knoll and Elm Street, where Kennedy
and Gov. John Connally were shot.
"Dallas hoped it had put all this behind it in the 1980s," said Jeff
West, executive director of the Sixth Floor Museum at Dealey Plaza.
"We had America's Team, and a wonderfully trashy TV show about us." In
short, Dallas hoped the rest of the country would obsess about who
shot JR, rather than who shot JFK.
Not much chance of that. In Dealey Plaza, someone for years has been
painting a big X in the center lane on Elm Street as it slopes down
toward the Triple Underpass: It purports to mark the exact spot where
Kennedy was struck by the fatal bullet. This is just about the only
fact in the case with which the majority of conspiracy buffs and lone-
gunman advocates agree. And it's slightly wrong.
The X is, according to the Dallas Morning News, the work of 57-year-
old Robert Groden, one of several men who regularly HAWK conspiracy
pamphlets in Dealey Plaza. The problem is that the lanes have been re-
striped since 1963, and the X is actually about 6 inches too far to
the west.
"If it is off," Groden conceded, "it's not off by much."
( Groden is off the charts of morality)
Authors opinion......Zapruder reported that he sold his film to Time-
Life on Saturday 23 November ....Enter Robert Groden. who made a copy
and made a career of it.”
Nearly every day of the year, Groden and other conspiracy buffs man
card tables around the plaza, pointing out suspicious (and bogus)
bullet marks in the pavement and expounding on theories ranging from
plausible to laughable. A few appear to be true believers; many are
merely pitchmen for $5 brochures. When I pointed out to one hawker, 35-
year-old Jimmy Longoria, that he hadn't even been born when Kennedy
was shot, he drawled, "I wasn't around when Jesus was alive, either.
But I still go to church."
http://www.truthdig.com/eartotheground/item/20061123_eclectic_crowd_m...
Robert J. Groden : Friend of JFK final authority on Dallas Ambush,
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Robert J. Groden (born November 22, 1945) is an American author and
photographer, and a SELF-proclaimed and widely acknowledged expert on
the assassination of former U.S. President John F. Kennedy. His books
include JFK: The Case for Conspiracy, The Killing of a President: The
Complete Photographic Record of the JFK Assassination, and The Search
for Lee Harvey Oswald: A Comprehensive Photographic Record. He served
as a photographic consultant to the Congressional investigation that
concluded the assassination was "probably" a conspiracy.
Groden attended Forest Hills High School in Queens, New York but left
in the 11th grade . He joined the Army in 1964 and first became
interested in the JFK assassination (1963) that same year . A harsh
critic of the Warren Commission, he was one of several photographic
consultants to the House Select Committee on Assassinations (HSCA) and
testified at the 1975 United States President's Commission on CIA
activities within the United States, sometimes referred to
(improperly) as the Rockefeller Commission.
By his own admission at the OJ Simpson civil trial, Groden is a high
school dropout with no formal photography training of any kind. He is
not certified by any professional photography organizations and, in
fact, does not even know the names of such organizations. He has never
taught any photography classes nor has he ever published anything with
respect to photography. He was discharged from the Army for
"inadaptibility to military life."
He was a consultant for Oliver Stone's 1991 film JFK.
As well as his own publications, Groden co-authored with Harrison E.
Livingstone the book High Treason: The Assassination of President John
F. Kennedy & the Case for Conspiracy.
During the O.J. Simpson civil trial, Groden appeared as an expert
witness and testified that a photograph of Simpson wearing Bruno Magli
shoes at a 1993 football game was a fake. After thirty other photos by
a different photographer of Simpson on the same day wearing the same
clothes — including the shoes — surfaced, Groden maintained that the
photograph was a forgery.
Groden sued Random House over a 1993 New York Times advertisement for
Gerald Posner's book Case Closed where he was featured along with
other conspiracy theorists and declared "guilty of misleading the
American public." The U.S. District Court issued a summary judgment
and dismissed the case
"OUCH"
Groden: OINK OINKhttp://www.shutterstock.com/pic-8917750-cute-pink-piggy-bank-standing...
=================
Zapruder and his family. I should have said that Nelson was the only one
And Zapruder was not a conspiracy theorist. Neither was Gerald Ford
(publicly) or David Belin (publicly).
(that I am aware of that outright DEMANDED payment for important
information). Hurt never got the information because Hurt refused to pay
Nelson
Some people have even made the study of the tragedy a lifetime pursuit
without pay. I see names on these newsgroups that have been posting for
many years.and to this day we are still seeking the truth..
It is an interesting subject and hopefully one day the world will know if
one angry young man managed to murder JFK all alone or whether it was a
conspiracy involving members of the very government that Kennedy was
allegedly in charge of.
I reject your notion that the conspirators represent our very
government. The idea of a coup is that a faction out of power grabs power.
 " I reject your notion that the conspirators represent our very
government.  The idea of a coup is that a faction out of power grabs
power."
  Do you reazile what you just admitted to?  That's exactly why JFK was
murfered.....The idea of a coup is that a faction out of power grabs
power.
I believe, If I am permitted , that it was a conspiracy and that many
people know all of the details regarding the event. They feel that there
is no point in stirring shit since it smells bad enough unstirred.
And maybe they have revealed it already.
Kennedy was not loved by large groups in the military-industrial complex
that President Eisenhower warned us about and who were well pleased when
Kennedy was removed from office with a bullet. I remember that day well,
and I remember the cheering that took place in many circles and especially
among my Mafia friends.
------------------
In 1984,  author, Henry Hurt met Nelson in a parking lot in Corsicana
Texas, where Nelson was in provate business. Nelson told Hurt that he
had waited a long time to tell his story for the record but not
without payment.  Hurt never got the story because Hurt refused to pay
Nelson
pp 161-63-63  Reasonable Doubt
Dallas police corrupton in 1963
Tippit was a dirty cop and every other cop in Dallas knew it. �Do your
homework. �I talked to Harry Olsen, when he lived in California, and he
assured me that Tippit knew Jack Ruby and had ambition to make money in
his job as a local "COP" �( Olsen called me and I have a letter from
Harry)
I lived in Dallas and watched both Dallas police and the Sheriff's police
cars deliver prostitutes and booze to motel residents all over the Dallas
community. I lived in the Alamo Motel (still there , I believe... on the
Dallas Fort Worth Pike ) and after several days living there, the black
handyman informed me that if I wanted anything, including whiskey or
prostitutes. he could arrange it with the Dallas police or the "guys" from
the Sheriff's office. I never needed either---- however I witnessed many
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cars deliver prostitutes and booze to motel residents all over the Dallas
community.
Is not their job to protect and SERVE?  What's the problem?  ;-).
Gee, back then, even Jesus could have gotten laid!
from what your brother says, as a kid, he even had to teach you how to
pull your pud.... so what's this nonsense you know anything about
getting laid? So, is it true you had a "eye-opening" experience while
in prison, you meet Mr. Big? LMFAO!
Healy? (yawn). Know why you're considered by all on this newsgroup
to be an uneducated moron? Here's the answer. Read slowly. The
FACT, you attempt to even engage me in rhetoric SHOWS how ignorant you
are. Learn son, learn.
aeffects
2008-03-08 17:54:16 UTC
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Post by Raymond
So the Dallas police were so corrupt, they would willingly participate in
the murder of their country's president but not corrupt enough that in the
past 45 years not one of them could be paid to spill the beans?
To my knowledge no one ever offered to pay a policeman to "SPILL THE
BEANS " with the exception of officer RC Nelson, who wanted to tell
his story for PAYMENT.
What about the movie deal for Wade?
What about Curry's book? Profiting from a tragedy.
You are correct Tony. Many people made money on the the tragedy (and are
still making money) including authors with their books, Groden with his
photography and movie makers like Oliver Stone. And we should not forget
You have no idea what you are talking about. I know Bob personally and he
did not make a LOT of money.
I said, " Many people made money. "
You specified Groden. Of course a Hollywood filmmaker is going to make a
lot of money even if all he does is pick his nose. Duh!
JFK assassination's final authority on the facts and factoids of the
"You have no idea what you are talking about. I know Bob
(Groden)personally and he did not make a LOT of money."
[ But he sure as Hell tried to and didn't care how.]
"You specified Groden. Of course a Hollywood filmmaker is going to
make a
lot of money even if all he does is pick his nose. Duh!"
Author Robert Groden, a Dealey Plaza regular for the past 12 years,
hawked his 11 books and glossy magazines about the assassination from
a table set up between the grassy knoll and Elm Street, where Kennedy
and Gov. John Connally were shot.
"Dallas hoped it had put all this behind it in the 1980s," said Jeff
West, executive director of the Sixth Floor Museum at Dealey Plaza.
"We had America's Team, and a wonderfully trashy TV show about us." In
short, Dallas hoped the rest of the country would obsess about who
shot JR, rather than who shot JFK.
Not much chance of that. In Dealey Plaza, someone for years has been
painting a big X in the center lane on Elm Street as it slopes down
toward the Triple Underpass: It purports to mark the exact spot where
Kennedy was struck by the fatal bullet. This is just about the only
fact in the case with which the majority of conspiracy buffs and lone-
gunman advocates agree. And it's slightly wrong.
The X is, according to the Dallas Morning News, the work of 57-year-
old Robert Groden, one of several men who regularly HAWK conspiracy
pamphlets in Dealey Plaza. The problem is that the lanes have been re-
striped since 1963, and the X is actually about 6 inches too far to
the west.
"If it is off," Groden conceded, "it's not off by much."
( Groden is off the charts of morality)
Authors opinion......Zapruder reported that he sold his film to Time-
Life on Saturday 23 November ....Enter Robert Groden. who made a copy
and made a career of it.”
Nearly every day of the year, Groden and other conspiracy buffs man
card tables around the plaza, pointing out suspicious (and bogus)
bullet marks in the pavement and expounding on theories ranging from
plausible to laughable. A few appear to be true believers; many are
merely pitchmen for $5 brochures. When I pointed out to one hawker, 35-
year-old Jimmy Longoria, that he hadn't even been born when Kennedy
was shot, he drawled, "I wasn't around when Jesus was alive, either.
But I still go to church."
http://www.truthdig.com/eartotheground/item/20061123_eclectic_crowd_m...
Robert J. Groden : Friend of JFK final authority on Dallas Ambush,
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Robert J. Groden (born November 22, 1945) is an American author and
photographer, and a SELF-proclaimed and widely acknowledged expert on
the assassination of former U.S. President John F. Kennedy. His books
include JFK: The Case for Conspiracy, The Killing of a President: The
Complete Photographic Record of the JFK Assassination, and The Search
for Lee Harvey Oswald: A Comprehensive Photographic Record. He served
as a photographic consultant to the Congressional investigation that
concluded the assassination was "probably" a conspiracy.
Groden attended Forest Hills High School in Queens, New York but left
in the 11th grade . He joined the Army in 1964 and first became
interested in the JFK assassination (1963) that same year . A harsh
critic of the Warren Commission, he was one of several photographic
consultants to the House Select Committee on Assassinations (HSCA) and
testified at the 1975 United States President's Commission on CIA
activities within the United States, sometimes referred to
(improperly) as the Rockefeller Commission.
By his own admission at the OJ Simpson civil trial, Groden is a high
school dropout with no formal photography training of any kind. He is
not certified by any professional photography organizations and, in
fact, does not even know the names of such organizations. He has never
taught any photography classes nor has he ever published anything with
respect to photography. He was discharged from the Army for
"inadaptibility to military life."
He was a consultant for Oliver Stone's 1991 film JFK.
As well as his own publications, Groden co-authored with Harrison E.
Livingstone the book High Treason: The Assassination of President John
F. Kennedy & the Case for Conspiracy.
During the O.J. Simpson civil trial, Groden appeared as an expert
witness and testified that a photograph of Simpson wearing Bruno Magli
shoes at a 1993 football game was a fake. After thirty other photos by
a different photographer of Simpson on the same day wearing the same
clothes — including the shoes — surfaced, Groden maintained that the
photograph was a forgery.
Groden sued Random House over a 1993 New York Times advertisement for
Gerald Posner's book Case Closed where he was featured along with
other conspiracy theorists and declared "guilty of misleading the
American public." The U.S. District Court issued a summary judgment
and dismissed the case
"OUCH"
Groden: OINK OINKhttp://www.shutterstock.com/pic-8917750-cute-pink-piggy-bank-standing...
=================
Post by Raymond
Zapruder and his family. I should have said that Nelson was the only one
And Zapruder was not a conspiracy theorist. Neither was Gerald Ford
(publicly) or David Belin (publicly).
Post by Raymond
(that I am aware of that outright DEMANDED payment for important
information). Hurt never got the information because Hurt refused to pay
Nelson
Some people have even made the study of the tragedy a lifetime pursuit
without pay. I see names on these newsgroups that have been posting for
many years.and to this day we are still seeking the truth..
It is an interesting subject and hopefully one day the world will know if
one angry young man managed to murder JFK all alone or whether it was a
conspiracy involving members of the very government that Kennedy was
allegedly in charge of.
I reject your notion that the conspirators represent our very
government. The idea of a coup is that a faction out of power grabs power.
" I reject your notion that the conspirators represent our very
government. The idea of a coup is that a faction out of power grabs
power."
Do you reazile what you just admitted to? That's exactly why JFK was
murfered.....The idea of a coup is that a faction out of power grabs
power.
Post by Raymond
I believe, If I am permitted , that it was a conspiracy and that many
people know all of the details regarding the event. They feel that there
is no point in stirring shit since it smells bad enough unstirred.
And maybe they have revealed it already.
Post by Raymond
Kennedy was not loved by large groups in the military-industrial complex
that President Eisenhower warned us about and who were well pleased when
Kennedy was removed from office with a bullet. I remember that day well,
and I remember the cheering that took place in many circles and especially
among my Mafia friends.
------------------
In 1984, author, Henry Hurt met Nelson in a parking lot in Corsicana
Texas, where Nelson was in provate business. Nelson told Hurt that he
had waited a long time to tell his story for the record but not
without payment. Hurt never got the story because Hurt refused to pay
Nelson
pp 161-63-63 Reasonable Doubt
Dallas police corrupton in 1963
Tippit was a dirty cop and every other cop in Dallas knew it. �Do your
homework. �I talked to Harry Olsen, when he lived in California, and he
assured me that Tippit knew Jack Ruby and had ambition to make money in
his job as a local "COP" �( Olsen called me and I have a letter from
Harry)
I lived in Dallas and watched both Dallas police and the Sheriff's police
cars deliver prostitutes and booze to motel residents all over the Dallas
community. I lived in the Alamo Motel (still there , I believe... on the
Dallas Fort Worth Pike ) and after several days living there, the black
handyman informed me that if I wanted anything, including whiskey or
prostitutes. he could arrange it with the Dallas police or the "guys" from
the Sheriff's office. I never needed either---- however I witnessed many
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cars deliver prostitutes and booze to motel residents all over the Dallas
community.
Is not their job to protect and SERVE? What's the problem? ;-).
Gee, back then, even Jesus could have gotten laid!
from what your brother says, as a kid, he even had to teach you how to
pull your pud.... so what's this nonsense you know anything about
getting laid? So, is it true you had a "eye-opening" experience while
in prison, you meet Mr. Big? LMFAO!
Healy? (yawn). Know why you're considered by all on this newsgroup
to be an uneducated moron? Here's the answer. Read slowly. The
FACT, you attempt to even engage me in rhetoric SHOWS how ignorant you
are. Learn son, learn.
pull up that skirt hon... gird them loins, or whatever it is you
perverts do... Mr. Big.... ROTFLMFAO! eye popping experience more than
likely... OUCH toots-e-roll
j***@gmail.com
2008-03-08 18:11:22 UTC
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Post by aeffects
Post by Raymond
So the Dallas police were so corrupt, they would willingly participate in
the murder of their country's president but not corrupt enough that in the
past 45 years not one of them could be paid to spill the beans?
To my knowledge no one ever offered to pay a policeman to "SPILL THE
BEANS " with the exception of officer RC Nelson, who wanted to tell
his story for PAYMENT.
What about the movie deal for Wade?
What about Curry's book? Profiting from a tragedy.
 You are correct Tony. Many people made money on the the tragedy (and are
still making money)  including authors with their books, Groden with his
photography and movie makers like Oliver Stone. And we should not forget
 You have no idea what you are talking about. I know Bob personally and he
did not make a LOT of money.
  I said, " Many people made money. "
You specified Groden. Of course a Hollywood filmmaker is going to make a
lot of money even if all he does is pick his nose. Duh!
JFK assassination's final authority on the facts and factoids of the
  "You have no idea what you are talking about. I know Bob
(Groden)personally and he did not make a LOT of money."
[ But he sure as Hell tried to and didn't care how.]
"You specified Groden. Of course a Hollywood filmmaker is going to
make a
 lot of money even if all he does is pick his nose. Duh!"
Author Robert Groden, a Dealey Plaza regular for the past 12 years,
hawked his 11 books and glossy magazines about the assassination from
a table set up between the grassy knoll and Elm Street, where Kennedy
and Gov. John Connally were shot.
"Dallas hoped it had put all this behind it in the 1980s," said Jeff
West, executive director of the Sixth Floor Museum at Dealey Plaza.
"We had America's Team, and a wonderfully trashy TV show about us." In
short, Dallas hoped the rest of the country would obsess about who
shot JR, rather than who shot JFK.
Not much chance of that. In Dealey Plaza, someone for years has been
painting a big X in the center lane on Elm Street as it slopes down
toward the Triple Underpass: It purports to mark the exact spot where
Kennedy was struck by the fatal bullet. This is just about the only
fact in the case with which the majority of conspiracy buffs and lone-
gunman advocates agree. And it's slightly wrong.
The X is, according to the Dallas Morning News, the work of 57-year-
old Robert Groden, one of several men who regularly HAWK conspiracy
pamphlets in Dealey Plaza. The problem is that the lanes have been re-
striped since 1963, and the X is actually about 6 inches too far to
the west.
"If it is off," Groden conceded, "it's not off by much."
( Groden is off the charts of morality)
Authors opinion......Zapruder reported that he sold his film to Time-
Life on Saturday 23 November ....Enter Robert Groden. who made a copy
and made a career of it.”
Nearly every day of the year, Groden and other conspiracy buffs man
card tables around the plaza, pointing out suspicious (and bogus)
bullet marks in the pavement and expounding on theories ranging from
plausible to laughable. A few appear to be true believers; many are
merely pitchmen for $5 brochures. When I pointed out to one hawker, 35-
year-old Jimmy Longoria, that he hadn't even been born when Kennedy
was shot, he drawled, "I wasn't around when Jesus was alive, either.
But I still go to church."
http://www.truthdig.com/eartotheground/item/20061123_eclectic_crowd_m...
Robert J. Groden : Friend of JFK final authority on Dallas Ambush,
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Robert J. Groden (born November 22, 1945) is an American author and
photographer, and a SELF-proclaimed and widely acknowledged expert on
the assassination of former U.S. President John F. Kennedy. His books
include JFK: The Case for Conspiracy, The Killing of a President: The
Complete Photographic Record of the JFK Assassination, and The Search
for Lee Harvey Oswald: A Comprehensive Photographic Record. He served
as a photographic consultant to the Congressional investigation that
concluded the assassination was "probably" a conspiracy.
Groden attended Forest Hills High School in Queens, New York but left
in the 11th grade . He joined the Army in 1964 and first became
interested in the JFK assassination (1963) that same year . A harsh
critic of the Warren Commission, he was one of several photographic
consultants to the House Select Committee on Assassinations (HSCA) and
testified at the 1975 United States President's Commission on CIA
activities within the United States, sometimes referred to
(improperly) as the Rockefeller Commission.
By his own admission at the OJ Simpson civil trial, Groden is a high
school dropout with no formal photography training of any kind. He is
not certified by any professional photography organizations and, in
fact, does not even know the names of such organizations. He has never
taught any photography classes nor has he ever published anything with
respect to photography. He was discharged from the Army for
"inadaptibility to military life."
He was a consultant for Oliver Stone's 1991 film JFK.
As well as his own publications, Groden co-authored with Harrison E.
Livingstone the book High Treason: The Assassination of President John
F. Kennedy & the Case for Conspiracy.
During the O.J. Simpson civil trial, Groden appeared as an expert
witness and testified that a photograph of Simpson wearing Bruno Magli
shoes at a 1993 football game was a fake. After thirty other photos by
a different photographer of Simpson on the same day wearing the same
clothes — including the shoes — surfaced, Groden maintained that the
photograph was a forgery.
Groden sued Random House over a 1993 New York Times advertisement for
Gerald Posner's book Case Closed where he was featured along with
other conspiracy theorists and declared "guilty of misleading the
American public." The U.S. District Court issued a summary judgment
and dismissed the case
"OUCH"
Groden: OINK OINKhttp://www.shutterstock.com/pic-8917750-cute-pink-piggy-bank-standing...
=================
Zapruder and his family. I should have said that Nelson was the only one
And Zapruder was not a conspiracy theorist. Neither was Gerald Ford
(publicly) or David Belin (publicly).
(that I am aware of that outright DEMANDED payment for important
information). Hurt never got the information because Hurt refused to pay
Nelson
Some people have even made the study of the tragedy a lifetime pursuit
without pay. I see names on these newsgroups that have been posting for
many years.and to this day we are still seeking the truth..
It is an interesting subject and hopefully one day the world will know if
one angry young man managed to murder JFK all alone or whether it was a
conspiracy involving members of the very government that Kennedy was
allegedly in charge of.
I reject your notion that the conspirators represent our very
government. The idea of a coup is that a faction out of power grabs power.
 " I reject your notion that the conspirators represent our very
government.  The idea of a coup is that a faction out of power grabs
power."
  Do you reazile what you just admitted to?  That's exactly why JFK was
murfered.....The idea of a coup is that a faction out of power grabs
power.
I believe, If I am permitted , that it was a conspiracy and that many
people know all of the details regarding the event. They feel that there
is no point in stirring shit since it smells bad enough unstirred.
And maybe they have revealed it already.
Kennedy was not loved by large groups in the military-industrial complex
that President Eisenhower warned us about and who were well pleased when
Kennedy was removed from office with a bullet. I remember that day well,
and I remember the cheering that took place in many circles and especially
among my Mafia friends.
------------------
In 1984,  author, Henry Hurt met Nelson in a parking lot in Corsicana
Texas, where Nelson was in provate business. Nelson told Hurt that he
had waited a long time to tell his story for the record but not
without payment.  Hurt never got the story because Hurt refused to pay
Nelson
pp 161-63-63  Reasonable Doubt
Dallas police corrupton in 1963
Tippit was a dirty cop and every other cop in Dallas knew it. �Do your
homework. �I talked to Harry Olsen, when he lived in California, and he
assured me that Tippit knew Jack Ruby and had ambition to make money in
his job as a local "COP" �( Olsen called me and I have a letter from
Harry)
I lived in Dallas and watched both Dallas police and the Sheriff's police
cars deliver prostitutes and booze to motel residents all over the Dallas
community. I lived in the Alamo Motel (still there , I believe... on the
Dallas Fort Worth Pike ) and after several days living there, the black
handyman informed me that if I wanted anything, including whiskey or
prostitutes. he could arrange it with the Dallas police or the "guys" from
the Sheriff's office. I never needed either---- however I witnessed many
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Post by Raymond
cars deliver prostitutes and booze to motel residents all over the Dallas
community.
Is not their job to protect and SERVE?  What's the problem?  ;-).
Gee, back then, even Jesus could have gotten laid!
from what your brother says, as a kid, he even had to teach you how to
pull your pud.... so what's this nonsense you know anything about
getting laid? So, is it true you had a "eye-opening" experience while
in prison, you meet Mr. Big? LMFAO!
Healy?  (yawn).  Know why you're considered by all on this newsgroup
to be an uneducated moron?  Here's the answer.  Read slowly.  The
FACT, you attempt to even engage me in rhetoric SHOWS how ignorant you
are.  Learn son, learn.
pull up that skirt hon... gird them loins, or whatever it is you
perverts do... Mr. Big.... ROTFLMFAO! eye popping experience more than
likely... OUCH toots-e-roll
Is there a translator in the house? Does anyone have a clue what the
incoherent junkie is blabbing about now? He has this need to flap his
lips without ever saying anything of value or importance.

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