Discussion:
"Historically Guilty" Is An Arbitrary Designation
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NoTrueFlags Here
2023-11-20 07:27:31 UTC
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It really doesn't mean anything other than the Official Story is that a person is guilty. Of course, the Nutter Retards are going to believe the Official Story verdict, but that's all it is. The rulers say Oswald did it. Everybody knows that.
Bud
2023-11-20 10:44:41 UTC
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Post by NoTrueFlags Here
It really doesn't mean anything other than the Official Story is that a person is guilty. Of course, the Nutter Retards are going to believe the Official Story verdict, but that's all it is.
That`s all there is. There is only one explanation on the table for consideration for this event available.
Post by NoTrueFlags Here
The rulers say Oswald did it. Everybody knows that.
Yes, everyone knows Oswald did it. Some people have trouble coming to grips with that, though.
NoTrueFlags Here
2023-11-20 10:54:01 UTC
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Post by Bud
Post by NoTrueFlags Here
It really doesn't mean anything other than the Official Story is that a person is guilty. Of course, the Nutter Retards are going to believe the Official Story verdict, but that's all it is.
That`s all there is. There is only one explanation on the table for consideration for this event available.
Post by NoTrueFlags Here
The rulers say Oswald did it. Everybody knows that.
Yes, everyone knows Oswald did it. Some people have trouble coming to grips with that, though.
Bud is even cuter when he PRETENDS to be stupid!
Ben Holmes
2023-11-27 21:13:20 UTC
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On Mon, 20 Nov 2023 02:44:41 -0800 (PST), Bud <***@fast.net>
wrote:

So, according to Bugliosi, it was this "oval" shape that was
"virtually conclusive evidence" of an SBT?

Chickenshit is TERRIFIED of this simple honest question. He knows
that Bugliosi was a moron if he truly thought this... yet you can't
get Chickenshit to publicly acknowledge that Bugliosi said this.

It's a simple "Yes" or "No" question, and Chickenshit cannot cite
where he has EVER answered it. (Without immediately denying it.)

So it's going to keep getting asked until Chickenshit answers it.
Gil Jesus
2023-11-20 11:13:37 UTC
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Post by NoTrueFlags Here
It really doesn't mean anything other than the Official Story is that a person is guilty. Of course, the Nutter Retards are going to believe the Official Story verdict, but that's all it is. The rulers say Oswald did it.
Everybody knows that.
The term "historically guilty" is the brainchild of a pompous ass named Charles "Chuck" Schuyler. Since Oswald was never convicted of either murder, he needed to have something to hang his "Oswald-did-it" hat on to. And the fact that the idiot can invent a phrase that incorporates the word "guilty" is a big plus for them. But of course, like the case itself, the prhase makes zero sense. History cannot determine the innocence or guilt of an individual. Only a judge or a jury can do that.

It's nonsense, which is why it makes all the sense in the world to jackasses like Corbett and Bud.

And they try to make vain arguments to support this nonsense like comparing Oswald to Hitler. Hitler, they note, was also never tried, so does that mean he wasn't responsible for the killing of 6 million Jews ?
But they fail to mention that the Nuremberg War Trials exposed the level of Hitler's involvement in the Holocaust.

The Lone Nut Trolls always fail. My 40 questions exposed just how little they know of the case.

Like the FBI and the military experts who fired the CE 139 rifle, in this test, the trolls just couldn't hit the bullseye.
Each question had a single right answer.

Oh, they'll lie and say they answered ALL the questions, just not to my satisfaction.
As a group, the trolls responded 131 times to my 40 questions.
Out of those 131 responses, 116 ( 88.5 % ) of those responses were comments, insults and questions.
Nothing to do with anybody's satisfaction.

We're not dealing with rational people here. We're dealing with closed-minded people who refuse to look at the case impartially. They have "their own truth". They've heard the prosecutor's closing arguments ( WR ) and they don't have to consider the testimony of the witnesses or the exhibits ( 26 volumes ) because it's all "raw data". Any documentation, witnesses or evidence presented in defense of the defendant is considered, "looking at the wrong things incorrectly".

This type of judicial attitude was typical in the Soviet Union during the Cold War.

Some of these people may have a serious mental issue called anosognosia, but most are just engaging in stubbornness or outright denial, which is a defense mechanism some people use when they can't cope with difficult facts or diagnoses.

Either way, whether it's a form of mental illness or just a defense mechanism, they will never, ever accept ANY evidence which casts doubt on Oswald's guilt.
These people will lie and deceive if it suits their purpose, i.e. protecting "their own truth".

Others are here only for their own "entertainment" to cast aspersions and spew their hatred on those with whom they do not agree.
We can only hope that future generations of internet web surfers will discover that these Lone Nut trolls were "historically guilty" of ignorance and stupidity.
And that any credibility they may have had was destroyed by their own words.
In the meantime, the best thing we can do is to ignore these assholes and let them prove to the world what they're made of.
JE Corbett
2023-11-20 12:13:58 UTC
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Post by Gil Jesus
Post by NoTrueFlags Here
It really doesn't mean anything other than the Official Story is that a person is guilty. Of course, the Nutter Retards are going to believe the Official Story verdict, but that's all it is. The rulers say Oswald did it.
Everybody knows that.
The term "historically guilty" is the brainchild of a pompous ass named Charles "Chuck" Schuyler. Since Oswald was never convicted of either murder, he needed to have something to hang his "Oswald-did-it" hat on to. And the fact that the idiot can invent a phrase that incorporates the word "guilty" is a big plus for them. But of course, like the case itself, the prhase makes zero sense. History cannot determine the innocence or guilt of an individual. Only a judge or a jury can do that.
It's nonsense, which is why it makes all the sense in the world to jackasses like Corbett and Bud.
If there is no such thing as historically guilty, why do you put so much effort into historically acquitting Oswald? What has
been the purpose of your efforts all these years?
David
2023-11-27 05:58:50 UTC
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Post by JE Corbett
Post by Gil Jesus
Post by NoTrueFlags Here
It really doesn't mean anything other than the Official Story is that a person is guilty. Of course, the Nutter Retards are going to believe the Official Story verdict, but that's all it is. The rulers say Oswald did it.
Everybody knows that.
The term "historically guilty" is the brainchild of a pompous ass named Charles "Chuck" Schuyler. Since Oswald was never convicted of either murder, he needed to have something to hang his "Oswald-did-it" hat on to. And the fact that the idiot can invent a phrase that incorporates the word "guilty" is a big plus for them. But of course, like the case itself, the prhase makes zero sense. History cannot determine the innocence or guilt of an individual. Only a judge or a jury can do that.
It's nonsense, which is why it makes all the sense in the world to jackasses like Corbett and Bud.
If there is no such thing as historically guilty, why do you put so much effort into historically acquitting Oswald? What has
been the purpose of your efforts all these years?
pompino ass just drooled all over himself, again... sit Corbutt!
Gil Jesus
2023-11-27 09:55:10 UTC
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If there is no such thing as historically guilty, why do you put so much effort into historically acquitting Oswald? What has been the purpose of your efforts all these years?
I'm not "historically acquitting" anyone.
In fact, there's no such phrase.
All I'm doing is examining the evidence in the case, evidence that you and the other LN assholes are scared shitless to look at.

And it's all here:
www.gil-jesus.com

P.S. Thanks for setting off the spammers.
JE Corbett
2023-11-27 13:35:04 UTC
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Post by Gil Jesus
If there is no such thing as historically guilty, why do you put so much effort into historically acquitting Oswald? What has been the purpose of your efforts all these years?
I'm not "historically acquitting" anyone.
In fact, there's no such phrase.
All I'm doing is examining the evidence in the case, evidence that you and the other LN assholes are scared shitless to look at.
www.gil-jesus.com
Your examination of the evidence is FUBAR.
Post by Gil Jesus
P.S. Thanks for setting off the spammers.
You have the cart before the horse. The spammers were already flooding this newsgroup before I ever commented on it.
Nothing I wrote changed anything. Since you believe in a non-existent conspiracy with no evidence to support it, I'm not
surprised you believe I had the power to trigger a flood of spam. This newsgroup has been around a long time and I have no
idea who created it and established the rules for it but I suspect it was somebody had an app which searched for
unmoderated newsgroups which could be flooded with spam ads and came across this one. Why don't you do something
productive and drop your futile efforts to exonerate Oswald and figure out why the newsgroup has recently been the target
of the spammers. Or you can take the easy way out and just assume I am the culprit. I'm pretty sure I know which one you
will choose to do.
Ben Holmes
2023-11-27 15:39:26 UTC
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On Mon, 27 Nov 2023 05:35:04 -0800 (PST), JE Corbett
Post by Gil Jesus
If there is no such thing as historically guilty, why do you put so much effort into historically acquitting Oswald? What has been the purpose of your efforts all these years?
I'm not "historically acquitting" anyone.
In fact, there's no such phrase.
All I'm doing is examining the evidence in the case, evidence that you and the other LN assholes are scared shitless to look at.
www.gil-jesus.com
Logical fallacy deleted.
Post by Gil Jesus
P.S. Thanks for setting off the spammers.
Speculation & logical fallacies deleted.
Hank Sienzant
2023-11-27 20:04:59 UTC
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Post by JE Corbett
Post by Gil Jesus
If there is no such thing as historically guilty, why do you put so much effort into historically acquitting Oswald? What has been the purpose of your efforts all these years?
I'm not "historically acquitting" anyone.
In fact, there's no such phrase.
All I'm doing is examining the evidence in the case, evidence that you and the other LN assholes are scared shitless to look at.
www.gil-jesus.com
Your examination of the evidence is FUBAR.
Post by Gil Jesus
P.S. Thanks for setting off the spammers.
You have the cart before the horse. The spammers were already flooding this newsgroup before I ever commented on it.
Nothing I wrote changed anything. Since you believe in a non-existent conspiracy with no evidence to support it, I'm not
surprised you believe I had the power to trigger a flood of spam. This newsgroup has been around a long time and I have no
idea who created it
Chip Salzenberg:
https://groups.google.com/g/alt.conspiracy.jfk/c/aD-n-HbJw5E/m/5rytUvOQtwgJ

First post, I believe(2/24/1992):
https://groups.google.com/g/alt.conspiracy.jfk/c/aa0Uu5dyC6k/m/KqB12eigWHwJ
Post by JE Corbett
and established the rules for it
Precursor to world wide web:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alt.*_hierarchy#Origin
Post by JE Corbett
but I suspect it was somebody had an app which searched for
unmoderated newsgroups which could be flooded with spam ads and came across this one. Why don't you do something
productive and drop your futile efforts to exonerate Oswald and figure out why the newsgroup has recently been the target
of the spammers. Or you can take the easy way out and just assume I am the culprit. I'm pretty sure I know which one you
will choose to do.
JE Corbett
2023-11-27 20:29:36 UTC
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Post by Hank Sienzant
Post by JE Corbett
Post by Gil Jesus
If there is no such thing as historically guilty, why do you put so much effort into historically acquitting Oswald? What has been the purpose of your efforts all these years?
I'm not "historically acquitting" anyone.
In fact, there's no such phrase.
All I'm doing is examining the evidence in the case, evidence that you and the other LN assholes are scared shitless to look at.
www.gil-jesus.com
Your examination of the evidence is FUBAR.
Post by Gil Jesus
P.S. Thanks for setting off the spammers.
You have the cart before the horse. The spammers were already flooding this newsgroup before I ever commented on it.
Nothing I wrote changed anything. Since you believe in a non-existent conspiracy with no evidence to support it, I'm not
surprised you believe I had the power to trigger a flood of spam. This newsgroup has been around a long time and I have no
idea who created it
https://groups.google.com/g/alt.conspiracy.jfk/c/aD-n-HbJw5E/m/5rytUvOQtwgJ
https://groups.google.com/g/alt.conspiracy.jfk/c/aa0Uu5dyC6k/m/KqB12eigWHwJ
Post by JE Corbett
and established the rules for it
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alt.*_hierarchy#Origin
It seems strange now but at the time the movie JFK came out in 1991, public use of the internet was in its infancy. I'm not
sure when the general public first had access to but I think it was in the late 1980s that I first heard of email. A coworker of
mine was using it to communicate with his son who was away at a college. I remember trying to access it on my own and
experienced nothing but frustration with it. I never did understand it. Along came the services like Prodigy which you and
I used to do battle with the CTs shortly after the movie came out. I found that much more user friendly. When I left Prodigy, I
signed up with AOL. I can't remember all the ISPs I've been through since. I now have satellite internet through Hughesnet
which is stone age compared to fiber optic and high speed services. Last spring, I was encouraged to see Spectrum stringing
their cable in my area but when I called, they told me it wasn't available yet in my area. I was told they had just surveyed the
area and wouldn't do another survey until next April at the earliest. I've since discovered by driving around the township that
Spectrum has strung its cable down every road in my township except for one end of one road. That would be the west end
of my road which is where I live. There are a total of 8 residences on this end of the road, the same as on the east end, but
they have service and we don't. They've even strung their cable down dirt roads with as few or fewer houses as the west
end of my road. If and when they finally offer service on my road, I'll probably buy it but I won't be buying my TV service
from them. I have lots of choices for streaming TV and Spectrum won't be one of them. I don't care if I'll have to pay another
company more than I pay them.

Sorry. I didn't start out intending to rant but once I got going I couldn't stop.
Ben Holmes
2023-11-27 21:12:31 UTC
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On Mon, 27 Nov 2023 12:29:36 -0800 (PST), JE Corbett
Post by JE Corbett
Sorry. I didn't start out intending to rant but once I got going I couldn't stop.
That's okay... it's easy to delete.
Ben Holmes
2023-11-27 21:11:57 UTC
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On Mon, 27 Nov 2023 12:04:59 -0800 (PST), Hank Sienzant
<***@aol.com> wrote:

You've claimed that the "A.B.C.D." in the Autopsy Report is the
description of the *location* of the large head wound.

Yet you refuse time and time again from QUOTING the preceding
paragraph that describes what this ACTUALLY is. Why is that?

You've also claimed that the prosectors dissected the throat wound.

Why do you continue to refuse to cite any evidence for this?

Why have you CONSISTENTLY run away each time I raise this issue?

Now you've quite stupidly insisted that the bullet entered JFK's back,
and exited the back of his head.

More cowardice, more stupidity, more dishonesty.

Are you proud of yourself?
Bud
2023-11-29 01:01:05 UTC
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Post by Hank Sienzant
Post by JE Corbett
Post by Gil Jesus
If there is no such thing as historically guilty, why do you put so much effort into historically acquitting Oswald? What has been the purpose of your efforts all these years?
I'm not "historically acquitting" anyone.
In fact, there's no such phrase.
All I'm doing is examining the evidence in the case, evidence that you and the other LN assholes are scared shitless to look at.
www.gil-jesus.com
Your examination of the evidence is FUBAR.
Post by Gil Jesus
P.S. Thanks for setting off the spammers.
You have the cart before the horse. The spammers were already flooding this newsgroup before I ever commented on it.
Nothing I wrote changed anything. Since you believe in a non-existent conspiracy with no evidence to support it, I'm not
surprised you believe I had the power to trigger a flood of spam. This newsgroup has been around a long time and I have no
idea who created it
https://groups.google.com/g/alt.conspiracy.jfk/c/aD-n-HbJw5E/m/5rytUvOQtwgJ
Very good. And look at the purpose he had for creating the forum...

"I like reading JFK conspiracy articles!"

This forum was formed to display JFK conspiracy ideas.

Not defend the WC.

Not to shift the burden to people who think the WC got it right.

Not to demand answers to conspiracy questions.

But a place to showcase conspiracy ideas.

I wonder if Chip ever pops in, and sees Ben raping his baby.
Post by Hank Sienzant
https://groups.google.com/g/alt.conspiracy.jfk/c/aa0Uu5dyC6k/m/KqB12eigWHwJ
Post by JE Corbett
and established the rules for it
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alt.*_hierarchy#Origin
Post by JE Corbett
but I suspect it was somebody had an app which searched for
unmoderated newsgroups which could be flooded with spam ads and came across this one. Why don't you do something
productive and drop your futile efforts to exonerate Oswald and figure out why the newsgroup has recently been the target
of the spammers. Or you can take the easy way out and just assume I am the culprit. I'm pretty sure I know which one you
will choose to do.
Ben Holmes
2023-11-29 01:04:25 UTC
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On Tue, 28 Nov 2023 17:01:05 -0800 (PST), Bud <***@fast.net>
wrote:

So, according to Bugliosi, it was this "oval" shape that was
"virtually conclusive evidence" of an SBT?

Chickenshit is TERRIFIED of this simple honest question. He knows
that Bugliosi was a moron if he truly thought this... yet you can't
get Chickenshit to publicly acknowledge that Bugliosi said this.

It's a simple "Yes" or "No" question, and Chickenshit cannot cite
where he has EVER answered it. (Without immediately denying it.)

So it's going to keep getting asked until Chickenshit answers it.
Ben Holmes
2023-11-28 15:32:19 UTC
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On Mon, 20 Nov 2023 04:13:58 -0800 (PST), JE Corbett
Post by Gil Jesus
Post by NoTrueFlags Here
It really doesn't mean anything other than the Official Story is that a person is guilty. Of course, the Nutter Retards are going to believe the Official Story verdict, but that's all it is. The rulers say Oswald did it.
Everybody knows that.
The term "historically guilty" is the brainchild of a pompous ass named Charles "Chuck" Schuyler. Since Oswald was never convicted of either murder, he needed to have something to hang his "Oswald-did-it" hat on to. And the fact that the idiot can invent a phrase that incorporates the word "guilty" is a big plus for them. But of course, like the case itself, the prhase makes zero sense. History cannot determine the innocence or guilt of an individual. Only a judge or a jury can do that.
It's nonsense, which is why it makes all the sense in the world to jackasses like Corbett and Bud.
If there is no such thing as historically guilty...
...since you present no evidence in support of your assertion, I
feel free to reject your assertion. - Huckster Sienzant
JE Corbett
2023-11-20 12:29:18 UTC
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Post by Gil Jesus
Post by NoTrueFlags Here
It really doesn't mean anything other than the Official Story is that a person is guilty. Of course, the Nutter Retards are going to believe the Official Story verdict, but that's all it is. The rulers say Oswald did it.
Everybody knows that.
The term "historically guilty" is the brainchild of a pompous ass named Charles "Chuck" Schuyler. Since Oswald was never convicted of either murder, he needed to have something to hang his "Oswald-did-it" hat on to. And the fact that the idiot can invent a phrase that incorporates the word "guilty" is a big plus for them. But of course, like the case itself, the prhase makes zero sense. History cannot determine the innocence or guilt of an individual. Only a judge or a jury can do that.
It's nonsense, which is why it makes all the sense in the world to jackasses like Corbett and Bud.
And they try to make vain arguments to support this nonsense like comparing Oswald to Hitler. Hitler, they note, was also never tried, so does that mean he wasn't responsible for the killing of 6 million Jews ?
But they fail to mention that the Nuremberg War Trials exposed the level of Hitler's involvement in the Holocaust.
Hitler was not on trial at Nuremberg. Hitler was not convicted at Nuremberg. Nice try.

What about Joe Stalin? Do you think he was innocent of mass murder?
Post by Gil Jesus
The Lone Nut Trolls always fail. My 40 questions exposed just how little they know of the case.
As if that matters given you are the one doing the grading.
Post by Gil Jesus
Like the FBI and the military experts who fired the CE 139 rifle, in this test, the trolls just couldn't hit the bullseye.
Each question had a single right answer.
Of course when firing at short ranges they aren't going to hit the bullseye because the fixed sights were set for 200 meters.
If you had even a basic understanding of ballistics you would know that.
Post by Gil Jesus
Oh, they'll lie and say they answered ALL the questions, just not to my satisfaction.
As a group, the trolls responded 131 times to my 40 questions.
Out of those 131 responses, 116 ( 88.5 % ) of those responses were comments, insults and questions.
Nothing to do with anybody's satisfaction.
The questions were answered. The insults were thrown in gratis.
Post by Gil Jesus
We're not dealing with rational people here. We're dealing with closed-minded people who refuse to look at the case impartially.
We did that a long time ago an concluded Oswald was guilty. All sensible people have. There is no longer any reason for
impartiality.
Post by Gil Jesus
They have "their own truth".
Irony duly noted.
Post by Gil Jesus
They've heard the prosecutor's closing arguments ( WR ) and they don't have to consider the testimony of the witnesses or the exhibits ( 26 volumes ) because it's all "raw data". Any documentation, witnesses or evidence presented in defense of the defendant is considered, "looking at the wrong things incorrectly".
We consider all witnesses and exhibits as a whole and have figured out how to weigh the credibility of all. You take the dopey
way of looking at everything in isolation and claiming it doesn't prove anything.
Post by Gil Jesus
This type of judicial attitude was typical in the Soviet Union during the Cold War.
Stupidity was not. We seem to have more than our share, especially when it comes to people trying to rewrite the history of
the JFK assassination.
Post by Gil Jesus
Some of these people may have a serious mental issue called anosognosia, but most are just engaging in stubbornness oroutright denial, which is a defense mechanism some people use when they can't cope with difficult facts or diagnoses.
The people who believe Oswald was innocent are the outliers. Most people who believe there was a conspiracy accept
Oswald fired shots at JFK.
Post by Gil Jesus
Either way, whether it's a form of mental illness or just a defense mechanism, they will never, ever accept ANY evidence which casts doubt on Oswald's guilt.
There is no evidence that casts doubt on Oswald's guilt.
Post by Gil Jesus
These people will lie and deceive if it suits their purpose, i.e. protecting "their own truth".
More irony.
Post by Gil Jesus
Others are here only for their own "entertainment" to cast aspersions and spew their hatred on those with whom they do not agree.
I don't cast aspersions on those I disagree with. I cast aspersions on idiots who refuse to accept Oswald was a double
murderer.
Post by Gil Jesus
We can only hope that future generations of internet web surfers will discover that these Lone Nut trolls were "historically guilty" of ignorance and stupidity.
Future generations of internet web surfers aren't going to give a fuck about the JFK assassination. Why would they.
Post by Gil Jesus
And that any credibility they may have had was destroyed by their own words.
In the meantime, the best thing we can do is to ignore these assholes and let them prove to the world what they're made of.
You even suck at ignoring the LNs. You can't do it.
Ben Holmes
2023-11-28 17:32:41 UTC
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On Mon, 20 Nov 2023 04:29:18 -0800 (PST), JE Corbett
Post by JE Corbett
Post by Gil Jesus
Post by NoTrueFlags Here
It really doesn't mean anything other than the Official Story is that a person is guilty. Of course, the Nutter Retards are going to believe the Official Story verdict, but that's all it is. The rulers say Oswald did it.
Everybody knows that.
The term "historically guilty" is the brainchild of a pompous ass named Charles "Chuck" Schuyler. Since Oswald was never convicted of either murder, he needed to have something to hang his "Oswald-did-it" hat on to. And the fact that the idiot can invent a phrase that incorporates the word "guilty" is a big plus for them. But of course, like the case itself, the prhase makes zero sense. History cannot determine the innocence or guilt of an individual. Only a judge or a jury can do that.
It's nonsense, which is why it makes all the sense in the world to jackasses like Corbett and Bud.
And they try to make vain arguments to support this nonsense like comparing Oswald to Hitler. Hitler, they note, was also never tried, so does that mean he wasn't responsible for the killing of 6 million Jews ?
But they fail to mention that the Nuremberg War Trials exposed the level of Hitler's involvement in the Holocaust.
Hitler was not on trial at Nuremberg. Hitler was not convicted at Nuremberg. Nice try.
That isn't what Gil said... Nice lie.
Chuck Schuyler
2023-11-20 16:04:11 UTC
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Post by Gil Jesus
Post by NoTrueFlags Here
It really doesn't mean anything other than the Official Story is that a person is guilty. Of course, the Nutter Retards are going to believe the Official Story verdict, but that's all it is. The rulers say Oswald did it.
Everybody knows that.
The term "historically guilty" is the brainchild of a pompous ass named Charles "Chuck" Schuyler. Since Oswald was never convicted of either murder, he needed to have something to hang his "Oswald-did-it" hat on to. And the fact that the idiot can invent a phrase that incorporates the word "guilty" is a big plus for them. But of course, like the case itself, the prhase makes zero sense. History cannot determine the innocence or guilt of an individual.
"Historically guilty" as some sort of dictionary term or phrase is the invention of a pompous ass named Gil Jesus, a/k/a Fish Part Messiah. I never claimed it was a TERM or PHRASE with its own special entry in a dictionary. You made the claim, and then demanded I show a definition somewhere. As I noted, your logical fallacy here is called Argumentum ad Dictionarium.

https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Argumentum_ad_dictionarium
Post by Gil Jesus
Only a judge or a jury can do that.
Judges or juries decide criminal or civil guilt or liability, stupid. As has been pointed out to you here, PLENTY of history is written without a judge or jury deciding or placing guilt.
Post by Gil Jesus
It's nonsense, which is why it makes all the sense in the world to jackasses like Corbett and Bud.
And they try to make vain arguments to support this nonsense like comparing Oswald to Hitler. Hitler, they note, was also never tried, so does that mean he wasn't responsible for the killing of 6 million Jews ?
But they fail to mention that the Nuremberg War Trials exposed the level of Hitler's involvement in the Holocaust.
The Lone Nut Trolls always fail. My 40 questions exposed just how little they know of the case.
I see your question from Bud remains unanswered. Perhaps Toilet/Flag guy can help you out. He thinks Tippit was killed in Dealey Plaza. Different captains on different ships taking different cargo to different ports on different oceans traveling in different directions, yet they all think they're part of the same convoy: Team Oswald.
Post by Gil Jesus
Like the FBI and the military experts who fired the CE 139 rifle, in this test, the trolls just couldn't hit the bullseye.
Each question had a single right answer.
Oh, they'll lie and say they answered ALL the questions, just not to my satisfaction.
As a group, the trolls responded 131 times to my 40 questions.
Out of those 131 responses, 116 ( 88.5 % ) of those responses were comments, insults and questions.
Nothing to do with anybody's satisfaction.
We're not dealing with rational people here. We're dealing with closed-minded people who refuse to look at the case impartially. They have "their own truth". They've heard the prosecutor's closing arguments ( WR ) and they don't have to consider the testimony of the witnesses or the exhibits ( 26 volumes ) because it's all "raw data". Any documentation, witnesses or evidence presented in defense of the defendant is considered, "looking at the wrong things incorrectly".
This type of judicial attitude was typical in the Soviet Union during the Cold War.
Some of these people may have a serious mental issue called anosognosia, but most are just engaging in stubbornness or outright denial, which is a defense mechanism some people use when they can't cope with difficult facts or diagnoses.
Either way, whether it's a form of mental illness or just a defense mechanism, they will never, ever accept ANY evidence which casts doubt on Oswald's guilt.
These people will lie and deceive if it suits their purpose, i.e. protecting "their own truth".
Others are here only for their own "entertainment" to cast aspersions and spew their hatred on those with whom they do not agree.
We can only hope that future generations of internet web surfers will discover that these Lone Nut trolls were "historically guilty" of ignorance and stupidity.
And that any credibility they may have had was destroyed by their own words.
In the meantime, the best thing we can do is to ignore these assholes and let them prove to the world what they're made of.
Ben Holmes
2023-11-28 23:47:09 UTC
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On Mon, 20 Nov 2023 08:04:11 -0800 (PST), Chuck Schuyler
Post by Gil Jesus
Post by NoTrueFlags Here
It really doesn't mean anything other than the Official Story is that a person is guilty. Of course, the Nutter Retards are going to believe the Official Story verdict, but that's all it is. The rulers say Oswald did it.
Everybody knows that.
The term "historically guilty" is the brainchild of a pompous ass named Charles "Chuck" Schuyler. Since Oswald was never convicted of either murder, he needed to have something to hang his "Oswald-did-it" hat on to. And the fact that the idiot can invent a phrase that incorporates the word "guilty" is a big plus for them. But of course, like the case itself, the prhase makes zero sense. History cannot determine the innocence or guilt of an individual.
"Historically guilty" as some sort of dictionary term or phrase...
Can't be cited for by you.

You lose.
Hank Sienzant
2023-11-23 04:17:25 UTC
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Post by Gil Jesus
Post by NoTrueFlags Here
It really doesn't mean anything other than the Official Story is that a person is guilty. Of course, the Nutter Retards are going to believe the Official Story verdict, but that's all it is. The rulers say Oswald did it.
Everybody knows that.
The term "historically guilty" is the brainchild of a pompous ass named Charles "Chuck" Schuyler. Since Oswald was never convicted of either murder, he needed to have something to hang his "Oswald-did-it" hat on to. And the fact that the idiot can invent a phrase that incorporates the word "guilty" is a big plus for them. But of course, like the case itself, the prhase makes zero sense. History cannot determine the innocence or guilt of an individual. Only a judge or a jury can do that.
You’re back to that nonsense. So Klebold and Harris aren’t historically guilty of being the Columbine killers.

And Charles Whitman isn’t historically guilty of being the Texas Tower shooter.

You make no sense, because you admitted the converse here:

https://groups.google.com/g/alt.conspiracy.jfk/c/8JGtKyYuijk/m/boQzueRdAAAJ
“…history … will always refer to Oswald as the assassin of President Kennedy…"

So according to you, Oswald is historically guilty.
Post by Gil Jesus
It's nonsense, which is why it makes all the sense in the world to jackasses like Corbett and Bud.
And they try to make vain arguments to support this nonsense like comparing Oswald to Hitler. Hitler, they note, was also never tried, so does that mean he wasn't responsible for the killing of 6 million Jews ?
But they fail to mention that the Nuremberg War Trials exposed the level of Hitler's involvement in the Holocaust.
You dismissed Hitler’s guilt originally because he wasn’t guaranteed rights under the constitution of the United States:
https://groups.google.com/g/alt.conspiracy.jfk/c/8JGtKyYuijk/m/qfMJIfFVAAAJ
— quote —
Post by Gil Jesus
"Was Hitler ultimately responsible the Holocaust *regardless* of the lack of a trial at all?"
Was Hitler guaranteed rights under the US Constitution ?
— unquote —
Post by Gil Jesus
The Lone Nut Trolls always fail. My 40 questions exposed just how little they know of the case.
Like the FBI and the military experts who fired the CE 139 rifle, in this test, the trolls just couldn't hit the bullseye.
Each question had a single right answer.
Oh, they'll lie and say they answered ALL the questions, just not to my satisfaction.
As a group, the trolls responded 131 times to my 40 questions.
Out of those 131 responses, 116 ( 88.5 % ) of those responses were comments, insults and questions.
Nothing to do with anybody's satisfaction.
Tell me what I got wrong, specifically. You won’t, of course.
Post by Gil Jesus
We're not dealing with rational people here. We're dealing with closed-minded people who refuse to look at the case impartially. They have "their own truth". They've heard the prosecutor's closing arguments ( WR ) and they don't have to consider the testimony of the witnesses or the exhibits ( 26 volumes ) because it's all "raw data".
Not in my case. I read through the Warren Commission 26 volumes twice resolving the differences between the Commission’s case and what the first generation critics said about the Commission’s case. Everywhere I looked, the evidence supported what the commission said, and disagreed with what the critics were arguing. I spent many a night up until two or three in the morning reading through the testimony.
Post by Gil Jesus
Any documentation, witnesses or evidence presented in defense of the defendant is considered, "looking at the wrong things incorrectly".
You don’t understand the law, we’ve established that. You think evidence is inadmissible if it doesn’t have a proper chain of custody, but I’ve shown that your understanding is flawed.
Post by Gil Jesus
This type of judicial attitude was typical in the Soviet Union during the Cold War.
Some of these people may have a serious mental issue called anosognosia, but most are just engaging in stubbornness or outright denial, which is a defense mechanism some people use when they can't cope with difficult facts or diagnoses.
Like Oswald being historically guilty?

Or evidence being admissible in the absence of a perfect chain of custody?

Or dead people having no rights?
Post by Gil Jesus
Either way, whether it's a form of mental illness or just a defense mechanism, they will never, ever accept ANY evidence which casts doubt on Oswald's guilt.
This describes conspiracists to a T. Anything pointing to Oswald is dismissed with a “the evidence is fraudulent” claim. CTs find reasons to dismiss everything pointing to Oswald.
Post by Gil Jesus
These people will lie and deceive if it suits their purpose, i.e. protecting "their own truth".
Others are here only for their own "entertainment" to cast aspersions and spew their hatred on those with whom they do not agree.
We can only hope that future generations of internet web surfers will discover that these Lone Nut trolls were "historically guilty" of ignorance and stupidity.
Ahhah. So despite your earlier denials, you do know what ”historically guilty” means.
Like here: https://groups.google.com/g/alt.conspiracy.jfk/c/8JGtKyYuijk/m/xnHo4ax6CwAJ
“ Define the term, "historically guilty" by posting a link to its definition. ”
“ I believe there's no such phrase and it's something you made up, so I'm asking for the link to the definition of the PHRASE. ”

You apparently didn’t want to admit Oswald is historically guilty, so you feigned ignorance of the term and asked for a definition.
Post by Gil Jesus
And that any credibility they may have had was destroyed by their own words.
In the meantime, the best thing we can do is to ignore these assholes and let them prove to the world what they're made of.
Funny how I cite the law and you call those who disagree with you names.
NoTrueFlags Here
2023-11-23 04:21:46 UTC
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Post by Hank Sienzant
Post by Gil Jesus
Post by NoTrueFlags Here
It really doesn't mean anything other than the Official Story is that a person is guilty. Of course, the Nutter Retards are going to believe the Official Story verdict, but that's all it is. The rulers say Oswald did it.
Everybody knows that.
The term "historically guilty" is the brainchild of a pompous ass named Charles "Chuck" Schuyler. Since Oswald was never convicted of either murder, he needed to have something to hang his "Oswald-did-it" hat on to. And the fact that the idiot can invent a phrase that incorporates the word "guilty" is a big plus for them. But of course, like the case itself, the prhase makes zero sense. History cannot determine the innocence or guilt of an individual. Only a judge or a jury can do that.
You’re back to that nonsense. So Klebold and Harris aren’t historically guilty of being the Columbine killers.
And Charles Whitman isn’t historically guilty of being the Texas Tower shooter.
https://groups.google.com/g/alt.conspiracy.jfk/c/8JGtKyYuijk/m/boQzueRdAAAJ
“…history … will always refer to Oswald as the assassin of President Kennedy…"
So according to you, Oswald is historically guilty.
Post by Gil Jesus
It's nonsense, which is why it makes all the sense in the world to jackasses like Corbett and Bud.
And they try to make vain arguments to support this nonsense like comparing Oswald to Hitler. Hitler, they note, was also never tried, so does that mean he wasn't responsible for the killing of 6 million Jews ?
But they fail to mention that the Nuremberg War Trials exposed the level of Hitler's involvement in the Holocaust.
https://groups.google.com/g/alt.conspiracy.jfk/c/8JGtKyYuijk/m/qfMJIfFVAAAJ
— quote —
Post by Gil Jesus
"Was Hitler ultimately responsible the Holocaust *regardless* of the lack of a trial at all?"
Was Hitler guaranteed rights under the US Constitution ?
— unquote —
Post by Gil Jesus
The Lone Nut Trolls always fail. My 40 questions exposed just how little they know of the case.
Like the FBI and the military experts who fired the CE 139 rifle, in this test, the trolls just couldn't hit the bullseye.
Each question had a single right answer.
Oh, they'll lie and say they answered ALL the questions, just not to my satisfaction.
As a group, the trolls responded 131 times to my 40 questions.
Out of those 131 responses, 116 ( 88.5 % ) of those responses were comments, insults and questions.
Nothing to do with anybody's satisfaction.
Tell me what I got wrong, specifically. You won’t, of course.
Post by Gil Jesus
We're not dealing with rational people here. We're dealing with closed-minded people who refuse to look at the case impartially. They have "their own truth". They've heard the prosecutor's closing arguments ( WR ) and they don't have to consider the testimony of the witnesses or the exhibits ( 26 volumes ) because it's all "raw data".
Not in my case. I read through the Warren Commission 26 volumes twice resolving the differences between the Commission’s case and what the first generation critics said about the Commission’s case. Everywhere I looked, the evidence supported what the commission said, and disagreed with what the critics were arguing. I spent many a night up until two or three in the morning reading through the testimony.
Post by Gil Jesus
Any documentation, witnesses or evidence presented in defense of the defendant is considered, "looking at the wrong things incorrectly".
You don’t understand the law, we’ve established that. You think evidence is inadmissible if it doesn’t have a proper chain of custody, but I’ve shown that your understanding is flawed.
Post by Gil Jesus
This type of judicial attitude was typical in the Soviet Union during the Cold War.
Some of these people may have a serious mental issue called anosognosia, but most are just engaging in stubbornness or outright denial, which is a defense mechanism some people use when they can't cope with difficult facts or diagnoses.
Like Oswald being historically guilty?
Or evidence being admissible in the absence of a perfect chain of custody?
Or dead people having no rights?
Post by Gil Jesus
Either way, whether it's a form of mental illness or just a defense mechanism, they will never, ever accept ANY evidence which casts doubt on Oswald's guilt.
This describes conspiracists to a T. Anything pointing to Oswald is dismissed with a “the evidence is fraudulent” claim. CTs find reasons to dismiss everything pointing to Oswald.
Post by Gil Jesus
These people will lie and deceive if it suits their purpose, i.e. protecting "their own truth".
Others are here only for their own "entertainment" to cast aspersions and spew their hatred on those with whom they do not agree.
We can only hope that future generations of internet web surfers will discover that these Lone Nut trolls were "historically guilty" of ignorance and stupidity.
Ahhah. So despite your earlier denials, you do know what ”historically guilty” means.
Like here: https://groups.google.com/g/alt.conspiracy.jfk/c/8JGtKyYuijk/m/xnHo4ax6CwAJ
“ Define the term, "historically guilty" by posting a link to its definition. ”
“ I believe there's no such phrase and it's something you made up, so I'm asking for the link to the definition of the PHRASE. ”
You apparently didn’t want to admit Oswald is historically guilty, so you feigned ignorance of the term and asked for a definition.
Post by Gil Jesus
And that any credibility they may have had was destroyed by their own words.
In the meantime, the best thing we can do is to ignore these assholes and let them prove to the world what they're made of.
Funny how I cite the law and you call those who disagree with you names.
What a maroon! Hank focuses on stupid and irrelevant shit. He looks at the wrong things. This is the best that Nutters can do, because they certainly can't defend their insane theories.
Hank Sienzant
2023-11-23 04:48:04 UTC
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Post by NoTrueFlags Here
Post by Hank Sienzant
Post by Gil Jesus
Post by NoTrueFlags Here
It really doesn't mean anything other than the Official Story is that a person is guilty. Of course, the Nutter Retards are going to believe the Official Story verdict, but that's all it is. The rulers say Oswald did it.
Everybody knows that.
The term "historically guilty" is the brainchild of a pompous ass named Charles "Chuck" Schuyler. Since Oswald was never convicted of either murder, he needed to have something to hang his "Oswald-did-it" hat on to. And the fact that the idiot can invent a phrase that incorporates the word "guilty" is a big plus for them. But of course, like the case itself, the prhase makes zero sense. History cannot determine the innocence or guilt of an individual. Only a judge or a jury can do that.
You’re back to that nonsense. So Klebold and Harris aren’t historically guilty of being the Columbine killers.
And Charles Whitman isn’t historically guilty of being the Texas Tower shooter.
https://groups.google.com/g/alt.conspiracy.jfk/c/8JGtKyYuijk/m/boQzueRdAAAJ
“…history … will always refer to Oswald as the assassin of President Kennedy…"
So according to you, Oswald is historically guilty.
Post by Gil Jesus
It's nonsense, which is why it makes all the sense in the world to jackasses like Corbett and Bud.
And they try to make vain arguments to support this nonsense like comparing Oswald to Hitler. Hitler, they note, was also never tried, so does that mean he wasn't responsible for the killing of 6 million Jews ?
But they fail to mention that the Nuremberg War Trials exposed the level of Hitler's involvement in the Holocaust.
https://groups.google.com/g/alt.conspiracy.jfk/c/8JGtKyYuijk/m/qfMJIfFVAAAJ
— quote —
Post by Gil Jesus
"Was Hitler ultimately responsible the Holocaust *regardless* of the lack of a trial at all?"
Was Hitler guaranteed rights under the US Constitution ?
— unquote —
Post by Gil Jesus
The Lone Nut Trolls always fail. My 40 questions exposed just how little they know of the case.
Like the FBI and the military experts who fired the CE 139 rifle, in this test, the trolls just couldn't hit the bullseye.
Each question had a single right answer.
Oh, they'll lie and say they answered ALL the questions, just not to my satisfaction.
As a group, the trolls responded 131 times to my 40 questions.
Out of those 131 responses, 116 ( 88.5 % ) of those responses were comments, insults and questions.
Nothing to do with anybody's satisfaction.
Tell me what I got wrong, specifically. You won’t, of course.
Post by Gil Jesus
We're not dealing with rational people here. We're dealing with closed-minded people who refuse to look at the case impartially. They have "their own truth". They've heard the prosecutor's closing arguments ( WR ) and they don't have to consider the testimony of the witnesses or the exhibits ( 26 volumes ) because it's all "raw data".
Not in my case. I read through the Warren Commission 26 volumes twice resolving the differences between the Commission’s case and what the first generation critics said about the Commission’s case. Everywhere I looked, the evidence supported what the commission said, and disagreed with what the critics were arguing. I spent many a night up until two or three in the morning reading through the testimony.
Post by Gil Jesus
Any documentation, witnesses or evidence presented in defense of the defendant is considered, "looking at the wrong things incorrectly".
You don’t understand the law, we’ve established that. You think evidence is inadmissible if it doesn’t have a proper chain of custody, but I’ve shown that your understanding is flawed.
Post by Gil Jesus
This type of judicial attitude was typical in the Soviet Union during the Cold War.
Some of these people may have a serious mental issue called anosognosia, but most are just engaging in stubbornness or outright denial, which is a defense mechanism some people use when they can't cope with difficult facts or diagnoses.
Like Oswald being historically guilty?
Or evidence being admissible in the absence of a perfect chain of custody?
Or dead people having no rights?
Post by Gil Jesus
Either way, whether it's a form of mental illness or just a defense mechanism, they will never, ever accept ANY evidence which casts doubt on Oswald's guilt.
This describes conspiracists to a T. Anything pointing to Oswald is dismissed with a “the evidence is fraudulent” claim. CTs find reasons to dismiss everything pointing to Oswald.
Post by Gil Jesus
These people will lie and deceive if it suits their purpose, i.e. protecting "their own truth".
Others are here only for their own "entertainment" to cast aspersions and spew their hatred on those with whom they do not agree.
We can only hope that future generations of internet web surfers will discover that these Lone Nut trolls were "historically guilty" of ignorance and stupidity.
Ahhah. So despite your earlier denials, you do know what ”historically guilty” means.
Like here: https://groups.google.com/g/alt.conspiracy.jfk/c/8JGtKyYuijk/m/xnHo4ax6CwAJ
“ Define the term, "historically guilty" by posting a link to its definition. ”
“ I believe there's no such phrase and it's something you made up, so I'm asking for the link to the definition of the PHRASE. ”
You apparently didn’t want to admit Oswald is historically guilty, so you feigned ignorance of the term and asked for a definition.
Post by Gil Jesus
And that any credibility they may have had was destroyed by their own words.
In the meantime, the best thing we can do is to ignore these assholes and let them prove to the world what they're made of.
Funny how I cite the law and you call those who disagree with you names.
What a maroon! Hank focuses on stupid and irrelevant shit. He looks at the wrong things. This is the best that Nutters can do, because they certainly can't defend their insane theories.
Be specific. What parts of my post was stupid and irrelevant? Spell out the errors in logic, reasoning, or my factual errors. Go ahead, we’ll await your enlightening us.
NoTrueFlags Here
2023-11-23 06:16:41 UTC
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Post by Hank Sienzant
Post by NoTrueFlags Here
Post by Hank Sienzant
Post by Gil Jesus
Post by NoTrueFlags Here
It really doesn't mean anything other than the Official Story is that a person is guilty. Of course, the Nutter Retards are going to believe the Official Story verdict, but that's all it is. The rulers say Oswald did it.
Everybody knows that.
The term "historically guilty" is the brainchild of a pompous ass named Charles "Chuck" Schuyler. Since Oswald was never convicted of either murder, he needed to have something to hang his "Oswald-did-it" hat on to. And the fact that the idiot can invent a phrase that incorporates the word "guilty" is a big plus for them. But of course, like the case itself, the prhase makes zero sense. History cannot determine the innocence or guilt of an individual. Only a judge or a jury can do that.
You’re back to that nonsense. So Klebold and Harris aren’t historically guilty of being the Columbine killers.
And Charles Whitman isn’t historically guilty of being the Texas Tower shooter.
https://groups.google.com/g/alt.conspiracy.jfk/c/8JGtKyYuijk/m/boQzueRdAAAJ
“…history … will always refer to Oswald as the assassin of President Kennedy…"
So according to you, Oswald is historically guilty.
Post by Gil Jesus
It's nonsense, which is why it makes all the sense in the world to jackasses like Corbett and Bud.
And they try to make vain arguments to support this nonsense like comparing Oswald to Hitler. Hitler, they note, was also never tried, so does that mean he wasn't responsible for the killing of 6 million Jews ?
But they fail to mention that the Nuremberg War Trials exposed the level of Hitler's involvement in the Holocaust.
https://groups.google.com/g/alt.conspiracy.jfk/c/8JGtKyYuijk/m/qfMJIfFVAAAJ
— quote —
Post by Gil Jesus
"Was Hitler ultimately responsible the Holocaust *regardless* of the lack of a trial at all?"
Was Hitler guaranteed rights under the US Constitution ?
— unquote —
Post by Gil Jesus
The Lone Nut Trolls always fail. My 40 questions exposed just how little they know of the case.
Like the FBI and the military experts who fired the CE 139 rifle, in this test, the trolls just couldn't hit the bullseye.
Each question had a single right answer.
Oh, they'll lie and say they answered ALL the questions, just not to my satisfaction.
As a group, the trolls responded 131 times to my 40 questions.
Out of those 131 responses, 116 ( 88.5 % ) of those responses were comments, insults and questions.
Nothing to do with anybody's satisfaction.
Tell me what I got wrong, specifically. You won’t, of course.
Post by Gil Jesus
We're not dealing with rational people here. We're dealing with closed-minded people who refuse to look at the case impartially. They have "their own truth". They've heard the prosecutor's closing arguments ( WR ) and they don't have to consider the testimony of the witnesses or the exhibits ( 26 volumes ) because it's all "raw data".
Not in my case. I read through the Warren Commission 26 volumes twice resolving the differences between the Commission’s case and what the first generation critics said about the Commission’s case. Everywhere I looked, the evidence supported what the commission said, and disagreed with what the critics were arguing. I spent many a night up until two or three in the morning reading through the testimony.
Post by Gil Jesus
Any documentation, witnesses or evidence presented in defense of the defendant is considered, "looking at the wrong things incorrectly".
You don’t understand the law, we’ve established that. You think evidence is inadmissible if it doesn’t have a proper chain of custody, but I’ve shown that your understanding is flawed.
Post by Gil Jesus
This type of judicial attitude was typical in the Soviet Union during the Cold War.
Some of these people may have a serious mental issue called anosognosia, but most are just engaging in stubbornness or outright denial, which is a defense mechanism some people use when they can't cope with difficult facts or diagnoses.
Like Oswald being historically guilty?
Or evidence being admissible in the absence of a perfect chain of custody?
Or dead people having no rights?
Post by Gil Jesus
Either way, whether it's a form of mental illness or just a defense mechanism, they will never, ever accept ANY evidence which casts doubt on Oswald's guilt.
This describes conspiracists to a T. Anything pointing to Oswald is dismissed with a “the evidence is fraudulent” claim. CTs find reasons to dismiss everything pointing to Oswald.
Post by Gil Jesus
These people will lie and deceive if it suits their purpose, i.e. protecting "their own truth".
Others are here only for their own "entertainment" to cast aspersions and spew their hatred on those with whom they do not agree.
We can only hope that future generations of internet web surfers will discover that these Lone Nut trolls were "historically guilty" of ignorance and stupidity.
Ahhah. So despite your earlier denials, you do know what ”historically guilty” means.
Like here: https://groups.google.com/g/alt.conspiracy.jfk/c/8JGtKyYuijk/m/xnHo4ax6CwAJ
“ Define the term, "historically guilty" by posting a link to its definition. ”
“ I believe there's no such phrase and it's something you made up, so I'm asking for the link to the definition of the PHRASE. ”
You apparently didn’t want to admit Oswald is historically guilty, so you feigned ignorance of the term and asked for a definition.
Post by Gil Jesus
And that any credibility they may have had was destroyed by their own words.
In the meantime, the best thing we can do is to ignore these assholes and let them prove to the world what they're made of.
Funny how I cite the law and you call those who disagree with you names.
What a maroon! Hank focuses on stupid and irrelevant shit. He looks at the wrong things. This is the best that Nutters can do, because they certainly can't defend their insane theories.
Be specific. What parts of my post was stupid and irrelevant? Spell out the errors in logic, reasoning, or my factual errors. Go ahead, we’ll await your enlightening us.
The topic of "historically guilty" is stupid and irrelevant and you are arguing about it. That's what I said. You will twist it into something else because that is what you do, but this whole question of "historical" guilt is stupid and irrelevant. And since you cannot defend your own insane theories, you chose to argue about this irrelevant topic of "historical guilt."
Hank Sienzant
2023-11-23 16:11:55 UTC
Permalink
Post by NoTrueFlags Here
Post by Hank Sienzant
Post by NoTrueFlags Here
Post by Hank Sienzant
Post by Gil Jesus
Post by NoTrueFlags Here
It really doesn't mean anything other than the Official Story is that a person is guilty. Of course, the Nutter Retards are going to believe the Official Story verdict, but that's all it is. The rulers say Oswald did it.
Everybody knows that.
The term "historically guilty" is the brainchild of a pompous ass named Charles "Chuck" Schuyler. Since Oswald was never convicted of either murder, he needed to have something to hang his "Oswald-did-it" hat on to. And the fact that the idiot can invent a phrase that incorporates the word "guilty" is a big plus for them. But of course, like the case itself, the prhase makes zero sense. History cannot determine the innocence or guilt of an individual. Only a judge or a jury can do that.
You’re back to that nonsense. So Klebold and Harris aren’t historically guilty of being the Columbine killers.
And Charles Whitman isn’t historically guilty of being the Texas Tower shooter.
https://groups.google.com/g/alt.conspiracy.jfk/c/8JGtKyYuijk/m/boQzueRdAAAJ
“…history … will always refer to Oswald as the assassin of President Kennedy…"
So according to you, Oswald is historically guilty.
Post by Gil Jesus
It's nonsense, which is why it makes all the sense in the world to jackasses like Corbett and Bud.
And they try to make vain arguments to support this nonsense like comparing Oswald to Hitler. Hitler, they note, was also never tried, so does that mean he wasn't responsible for the killing of 6 million Jews ?
But they fail to mention that the Nuremberg War Trials exposed the level of Hitler's involvement in the Holocaust.
https://groups.google.com/g/alt.conspiracy.jfk/c/8JGtKyYuijk/m/qfMJIfFVAAAJ
— quote —
Post by Gil Jesus
"Was Hitler ultimately responsible the Holocaust *regardless* of the lack of a trial at all?"
Was Hitler guaranteed rights under the US Constitution ?
— unquote —
Post by Gil Jesus
The Lone Nut Trolls always fail. My 40 questions exposed just how little they know of the case.
Like the FBI and the military experts who fired the CE 139 rifle, in this test, the trolls just couldn't hit the bullseye.
Each question had a single right answer.
Oh, they'll lie and say they answered ALL the questions, just not to my satisfaction.
As a group, the trolls responded 131 times to my 40 questions.
Out of those 131 responses, 116 ( 88.5 % ) of those responses were comments, insults and questions.
Nothing to do with anybody's satisfaction.
Tell me what I got wrong, specifically. You won’t, of course.
Post by Gil Jesus
We're not dealing with rational people here. We're dealing with closed-minded people who refuse to look at the case impartially. They have "their own truth". They've heard the prosecutor's closing arguments ( WR ) and they don't have to consider the testimony of the witnesses or the exhibits ( 26 volumes ) because it's all "raw data".
Not in my case. I read through the Warren Commission 26 volumes twice resolving the differences between the Commission’s case and what the first generation critics said about the Commission’s case. Everywhere I looked, the evidence supported what the commission said, and disagreed with what the critics were arguing. I spent many a night up until two or three in the morning reading through the testimony.
Post by Gil Jesus
Any documentation, witnesses or evidence presented in defense of the defendant is considered, "looking at the wrong things incorrectly".
You don’t understand the law, we’ve established that. You think evidence is inadmissible if it doesn’t have a proper chain of custody, but I’ve shown that your understanding is flawed.
Post by Gil Jesus
This type of judicial attitude was typical in the Soviet Union during the Cold War.
Some of these people may have a serious mental issue called anosognosia, but most are just engaging in stubbornness or outright denial, which is a defense mechanism some people use when they can't cope with difficult facts or diagnoses.
Like Oswald being historically guilty?
Or evidence being admissible in the absence of a perfect chain of custody?
Or dead people having no rights?
Post by Gil Jesus
Either way, whether it's a form of mental illness or just a defense mechanism, they will never, ever accept ANY evidence which casts doubt on Oswald's guilt.
This describes conspiracists to a T. Anything pointing to Oswald is dismissed with a “the evidence is fraudulent” claim. CTs find reasons to dismiss everything pointing to Oswald.
Post by Gil Jesus
These people will lie and deceive if it suits their purpose, i.e. protecting "their own truth".
Others are here only for their own "entertainment" to cast aspersions and spew their hatred on those with whom they do not agree.
We can only hope that future generations of internet web surfers will discover that these Lone Nut trolls were "historically guilty" of ignorance and stupidity.
Ahhah. So despite your earlier denials, you do know what ”historically guilty” means.
Like here: https://groups.google.com/g/alt.conspiracy.jfk/c/8JGtKyYuijk/m/xnHo4ax6CwAJ
“ Define the term, "historically guilty" by posting a link to its definition. ”
“ I believe there's no such phrase and it's something you made up, so I'm asking for the link to the definition of the PHRASE. ”
You apparently didn’t want to admit Oswald is historically guilty, so you feigned ignorance of the term and asked for a definition.
Post by Gil Jesus
And that any credibility they may have had was destroyed by their own words.
In the meantime, the best thing we can do is to ignore these assholes and let them prove to the world what they're made of.
Funny how I cite the law and you call those who disagree with you names.
What a maroon! Hank focuses on stupid and irrelevant shit. He looks at the wrong things. This is the best that Nutters can do, because they certainly can't defend their insane theories.
Be specific. What parts of my post was stupid and irrelevant? Spell out the errors in logic, reasoning, or my factual errors. Go ahead, we’ll await your enlightening us.
The topic of "historically guilty" is stupid and irrelevant and you are arguing about it. That's what I said. You will twist it into something else because that is what you do, but this whole question of "historical" guilt is stupid and irrelevant. And since you cannot defend your own insane theories, you chose to argue about this irrelevant topic of "historical guilt."
Gil, and other CTs* like to argue that Oswald is presumed innocent for all time because he never faced trial. The fact that many others are deemed guilty without a trial somehow escapes their purview.

That’s where the topic of historical guilt comes in. It’s not off-topic (or “stupid and irrelevant”) to the claim that Oswald is entitled to be “presumed innocent” because he was never convicted. You are essentially claiming I don’t have the right to rebut Gil’s nonsense.

Somehow their own made-up rules get thrown out when the subject is Clay Shaw, who is the only person ever deemed *not guilty* of conspiring to assassinate JFK in a court of law. Oswald requires a guilty verdict in a criminal trial for CTs to accept his guilt, but even a *not guilty verdict* in a court of law is insufficient for CTs to stop accusing Shaw of conspiracy.

Double-standard much?

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* For example, here’s Robert Johnson making the same silly point in July of this year:
https://groups.google.com/g/alt.conspiracy.jfk/c/JsKjTsn3Fes/m/n3T6e3AMCAAJ
“And Oswald is innocent until proven guilty in a court of law.”
Ben Holmes
2023-11-29 18:50:34 UTC
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On Thu, 23 Nov 2023 08:11:55 -0800 (PST), Hank Sienzant
<***@aol.com> wrote:

You've claimed that the "A.B.C.D." in the Autopsy Report is the
description of the *location* of the large head wound.

Yet you refuse time and time again from QUOTING the preceding
paragraph that describes what this ACTUALLY is. Why is that?

You've also claimed that the prosectors dissected the throat wound.

Why do you continue to refuse to cite any evidence for this?

Why have you CONSISTENTLY run away each time I raise this issue?

Now you've quite stupidly insisted that the bullet entered JFK's back,
and exited the back of his head.

More cowardice, more stupidity, more dishonesty.

Are you proud of yourself?
Ben Holmes
2023-11-29 23:37:17 UTC
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On Wed, 22 Nov 2023 20:48:04 -0800 (PST), Hank Sienzant
<***@aol.com> wrote:

You've claimed that the "A.B.C.D." in the Autopsy Report is the
description of the *location* of the large head wound.

Yet you refuse time and time again from QUOTING the preceding
paragraph that describes what this ACTUALLY is. Why is that?

You've also claimed that the prosectors dissected the throat wound.

Why do you continue to refuse to cite any evidence for this?

Why have you CONSISTENTLY run away each time I raise this issue?

Now you've quite stupidly insisted that the bullet entered JFK's back,
and exited the back of his head.

More cowardice, more stupidity, more dishonesty.

Are you proud of yourself?
Ben Holmes
2023-12-01 21:34:26 UTC
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On Wed, 22 Nov 2023 20:17:25 -0800 (PST), Hank Sienzant
<***@aol.com> wrote:

Huckster Sienzant is historically a coward...

You've claimed that the "A.B.C.D." in the Autopsy Report is the
description of the *location* of the large head wound.

Yet you refuse time and time again from QUOTING the preceding
paragraph that describes what this ACTUALLY is. Why is that?

You've also claimed that the prosectors dissected the throat wound.

Why do you continue to refuse to cite any evidence for this?

Why have you CONSISTENTLY run away each time I raise this issue?

Now you've quite stupidly insisted that the bullet entered JFK's back,
and exited the back of his head.

More cowardice, more stupidity, more dishonesty.

Are you proud of yourself?

Hank Sienzant
2023-11-23 04:44:57 UTC
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It really doesn't mean anything other than the Official Story is that a person is guilty. Of course, the Nutter Retards are going to believe the Official Story verdict, but that's all it is. The rulers say Oswald did it. Everybody knows that.
What’s the “the Official Story verdict” on who was the Texas Tower shooter?
Do you believe “the Official Story verdict” there?
If so, why? Isn’t that what ‘they’ want you to believe?

If not, are you posting to the Texas Tower site that Whitman was framed, and those who believe the the Official Story verdict are ignorant sheeple and just believing their rulers?
If not, why not?
NoTrueFlags Here
2023-11-23 06:24:45 UTC
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Post by NoTrueFlags Here
It really doesn't mean anything other than the Official Story is that a person is guilty. Of course, the Nutter Retards are going to believe the Official Story verdict, but that's all it is. The rulers say Oswald did it. Everybody knows that.
What’s the “the Official Story verdict” on who was the Texas Tower shooter?
Do you believe “the Official Story verdict” there?
If so, why? Isn’t that what ‘they’ want you to believe?
If not, are you posting to the Texas Tower site that Whitman was framed, and those who believe the the Official Story verdict are ignorant sheeple and just believing their rulers?
If not, why not?
I don't know anything about Your Texas Tower Massacre. I'm talking about the JFK assassination because that is the topic which interests me, and the topic of this newsgrouppe. Your logical fallacy that Official Stories all need to be false for this one to be false only reveals your fundamental dishonesty. Everybody knows what a cowardly liar you are.
Hank Sienzant
2023-11-23 15:45:30 UTC
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Post by Hank Sienzant
Post by NoTrueFlags Here
It really doesn't mean anything other than the Official Story is that a person is guilty. Of course, the Nutter Retards are going to believe the Official Story verdict, but that's all it is. The rulers say Oswald did it. Everybody knows that.
What’s the “the Official Story verdict” on who was the Texas Tower shooter?
Do you believe “the Official Story verdict” there?
If so, why? Isn’t that what ‘they’ want you to believe?
If not, are you posting to the Texas Tower site that Whitman was framed, and those who believe the the Official Story verdict are ignorant sheeple and just believing their rulers?
If not, why not?
I don't know anything about Your Texas Tower Massacre.
Of course not. Since it happened in Texas only three years after the Kennedy assassination and involved an ex-Marine with similar shooting skills to Oswald shooting with a bolt-action rifle from a much higher building at people who were far more distant than Kennedy was from Oswald, we can’t learn anything about the assassination or whether Oswald and Oswald’s weapon was capable of committing the assassination.

You want to stick with that answer or phone a friend for help?
Post by NoTrueFlags Here
I'm talking about the JFK assassination because that is the topic which interests me, and the topic of this newsgrouppe. Your logical fallacy that Official Stories all need to be false for this one to be false
Straw-man Logical Fallacy. I never said that.
Post by NoTrueFlags Here
only reveals your fundamental dishonesty.
The “fundamental dishonesty” is from those who employ logical fallacies like straw-man arguments to make a pretend rebuttal to a point not made.
Post by NoTrueFlags Here
Everybody knows what a cowardly liar you are.
And there’s the ad hominem instead of a reasoned response.

Summary: You argued against a point I didn’t make, called me names, and claimed the similarities and differences between the JFK assassination and the Texas Tower shooting didn’t interest you, dismissing any attempt of mine to draw parallels between the two and extract what we could learn from these parallels.

How CT of you.
NoTrueFlags Here
2023-11-23 16:02:09 UTC
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Post by NoTrueFlags Here
Post by Hank Sienzant
Post by NoTrueFlags Here
It really doesn't mean anything other than the Official Story is that a person is guilty. Of course, the Nutter Retards are going to believe the Official Story verdict, but that's all it is. The rulers say Oswald did it. Everybody knows that.
What’s the “the Official Story verdict” on who was the Texas Tower shooter?
Do you believe “the Official Story verdict” there?
If so, why? Isn’t that what ‘they’ want you to believe?
If not, are you posting to the Texas Tower site that Whitman was framed, and those who believe the the Official Story verdict are ignorant sheeple and just believing their rulers?
If not, why not?
I don't know anything about Your Texas Tower Massacre.
Of course not. Since it happened in Texas only three years after the Kennedy assassination and involved an ex-Marine with similar shooting skills to Oswald shooting with a bolt-action rifle from a much higher building at people who were far more distant than Kennedy was from Oswald, we can’t learn anything about the assassination or whether Oswald and Oswald’s weapon was capable of committing the assassination.
You want to stick with that answer or phone a friend for help?
Post by NoTrueFlags Here
I'm talking about the JFK assassination because that is the topic which interests me, and the topic of this newsgrouppe. Your logical fallacy that Official Stories all need to be false for this one to be false
Straw-man Logical Fallacy. I never said that.
Post by NoTrueFlags Here
only reveals your fundamental dishonesty.
The “fundamental dishonesty” is from those who employ logical fallacies like straw-man arguments to make a pretend rebuttal to a point not made.
Post by NoTrueFlags Here
Everybody knows what a cowardly liar you are.
And there’s the ad hominem instead of a reasoned response.
Summary: You argued against a point I didn’t make, called me names, and claimed the similarities and differences between the JFK assassination and the Texas Tower shooting didn’t interest you, dismissing any attempt of mine to draw parallels between the two and extract what we could learn from these parallels.
How CT of you.
Sure, you'd rather talk about something that happened 3 years later because you can't defend your ridiculous Lone Nut theories.
Chuck Schuyler
2023-11-23 16:11:44 UTC
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Post by NoTrueFlags Here
Post by Hank Sienzant
Post by NoTrueFlags Here
Post by Hank Sienzant
Post by NoTrueFlags Here
It really doesn't mean anything other than the Official Story is that a person is guilty. Of course, the Nutter Retards are going to believe the Official Story verdict, but that's all it is. The rulers say Oswald did it. Everybody knows that.
What’s the “the Official Story verdict” on who was the Texas Tower shooter?
Do you believe “the Official Story verdict” there?
If so, why? Isn’t that what ‘they’ want you to believe?
If not, are you posting to the Texas Tower site that Whitman was framed, and those who believe the the Official Story verdict are ignorant sheeple and just believing their rulers?
If not, why not?
I don't know anything about Your Texas Tower Massacre.
Of course not. Since it happened in Texas only three years after the Kennedy assassination and involved an ex-Marine with similar shooting skills to Oswald shooting with a bolt-action rifle from a much higher building at people who were far more distant than Kennedy was from Oswald, we can’t learn anything about the assassination or whether Oswald and Oswald’s weapon was capable of committing the assassination.
You want to stick with that answer or phone a friend for help?
Post by NoTrueFlags Here
I'm talking about the JFK assassination because that is the topic which interests me, and the topic of this newsgrouppe. Your logical fallacy that Official Stories all need to be false for this one to be false
Straw-man Logical Fallacy. I never said that.
Post by NoTrueFlags Here
only reveals your fundamental dishonesty.
The “fundamental dishonesty” is from those who employ logical fallacies like straw-man arguments to make a pretend rebuttal to a point not made.
Post by NoTrueFlags Here
Everybody knows what a cowardly liar you are.
And there’s the ad hominem instead of a reasoned response.
Summary: You argued against a point I didn’t make, called me names, and claimed the similarities and differences between the JFK assassination and the Texas Tower shooting didn’t interest you, dismissing any attempt of mine to draw parallels between the two and extract what we could learn from these parallels.
How CT of you.
Sure, you'd rather talk about something that happened 3 years later because you can't defend your ridiculous Lone Nut theories.
What about your theory? I'm not asking you to defend it, but what should the punishment have been for Oswald shooting at the motorcade from the grassy knoll?

Are you thinking a life sentence or the death penalty or something else?

Maybe some combination of prison and being forced to befriend Gil or at least clean his trailer once a week?

Is Oswald "historically guilty" of some sort of involvement in JFK's death on 11/22/63?
NoTrueFlags Here
2023-11-23 16:15:27 UTC
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Post by NoTrueFlags Here
Post by Hank Sienzant
Post by NoTrueFlags Here
Post by Hank Sienzant
Post by NoTrueFlags Here
It really doesn't mean anything other than the Official Story is that a person is guilty. Of course, the Nutter Retards are going to believe the Official Story verdict, but that's all it is. The rulers say Oswald did it. Everybody knows that.
What’s the “the Official Story verdict” on who was the Texas Tower shooter?
Do you believe “the Official Story verdict” there?
If so, why? Isn’t that what ‘they’ want you to believe?
If not, are you posting to the Texas Tower site that Whitman was framed, and those who believe the the Official Story verdict are ignorant sheeple and just believing their rulers?
If not, why not?
I don't know anything about Your Texas Tower Massacre.
Of course not. Since it happened in Texas only three years after the Kennedy assassination and involved an ex-Marine with similar shooting skills to Oswald shooting with a bolt-action rifle from a much higher building at people who were far more distant than Kennedy was from Oswald, we can’t learn anything about the assassination or whether Oswald and Oswald’s weapon was capable of committing the assassination.
You want to stick with that answer or phone a friend for help?
Post by NoTrueFlags Here
I'm talking about the JFK assassination because that is the topic which interests me, and the topic of this newsgrouppe. Your logical fallacy that Official Stories all need to be false for this one to be false
Straw-man Logical Fallacy. I never said that.
Post by NoTrueFlags Here
only reveals your fundamental dishonesty.
The “fundamental dishonesty” is from those who employ logical fallacies like straw-man arguments to make a pretend rebuttal to a point not made.
Post by NoTrueFlags Here
Everybody knows what a cowardly liar you are.
And there’s the ad hominem instead of a reasoned response.
Summary: You argued against a point I didn’t make, called me names, and claimed the similarities and differences between the JFK assassination and the Texas Tower shooting didn’t interest you, dismissing any attempt of mine to draw parallels between the two and extract what we could learn from these parallels.
How CT of you.
Sure, you'd rather talk about something that happened 3 years later because you can't defend your ridiculous Lone Nut theories.
What about your theory? I'm not asking you to defend it, but what should the punishment have been for Oswald shooting at the motorcade from the grassy knoll?
Are you thinking a life sentence or the death penalty or something else?
Maybe some combination of prison and being forced to befriend Gil or at least clean his trailer once a week?
Is Oswald "historically guilty" of some sort of involvement in JFK's death on 11/22/63?
If Oswald did what I think he did, then the death penalty would have been appropriate.
Hank Sienzant
2023-11-23 16:23:43 UTC
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Post by Chuck Schuyler
Post by NoTrueFlags Here
Post by Hank Sienzant
Post by NoTrueFlags Here
Post by Hank Sienzant
Post by NoTrueFlags Here
It really doesn't mean anything other than the Official Story is that a person is guilty. Of course, the Nutter Retards are going to believe the Official Story verdict, but that's all it is. The rulers say Oswald did it. Everybody knows that.
What’s the “the Official Story verdict” on who was the Texas Tower shooter?
Do you believe “the Official Story verdict” there?
If so, why? Isn’t that what ‘they’ want you to believe?
If not, are you posting to the Texas Tower site that Whitman was framed, and those who believe the the Official Story verdict are ignorant sheeple and just believing their rulers?
If not, why not?
I don't know anything about Your Texas Tower Massacre.
Of course not. Since it happened in Texas only three years after the Kennedy assassination and involved an ex-Marine with similar shooting skills to Oswald shooting with a bolt-action rifle from a much higher building at people who were far more distant than Kennedy was from Oswald, we can’t learn anything about the assassination or whether Oswald and Oswald’s weapon was capable of committing the assassination.
You want to stick with that answer or phone a friend for help?
Post by NoTrueFlags Here
I'm talking about the JFK assassination because that is the topic which interests me, and the topic of this newsgrouppe. Your logical fallacy that Official Stories all need to be false for this one to be false
Straw-man Logical Fallacy. I never said that.
Post by NoTrueFlags Here
only reveals your fundamental dishonesty.
The “fundamental dishonesty” is from those who employ logical fallacies like straw-man arguments to make a pretend rebuttal to a point not made.
Post by NoTrueFlags Here
Everybody knows what a cowardly liar you are.
And there’s the ad hominem instead of a reasoned response.
Summary: You argued against a point I didn’t make, called me names, and claimed the similarities and differences between the JFK assassination and the Texas Tower shooting didn’t interest you, dismissing any attempt of mine to draw parallels between the two and extract what we could learn from these parallels.
How CT of you.
Sure, you'd rather talk about something that happened 3 years later because you can't defend your ridiculous Lone Nut theories.
What about your theory? I'm not asking you to defend it, but what should the punishment have been for Oswald shooting at the motorcade from the grassy knoll?
Are you thinking a life sentence or the death penalty or something else?
Maybe some combination of prison and being forced to befriend Gil or at least clean his trailer once a week?
Is Oswald "historically guilty" of some sort of involvement in JFK's death on 11/22/63?
If Oswald did what I think he did, then the death penalty would have been appropriate.
So while not approving of what Jack Ruby did, you are saying Oswald’s death would have been the appropriate punishment by the State of Texas, only Ruby beat them to it.

What about Clay Shaw? Any views there on his guilt or innocence?
NoTrueFlags Here
2023-11-23 16:27:49 UTC
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Post by Hank Sienzant
Post by NoTrueFlags Here
It really doesn't mean anything other than the Official Story is that a person is guilty. Of course, the Nutter Retards are going to believe the Official Story verdict, but that's all it is. The rulers say Oswald did it. Everybody knows that.
What’s the “the Official Story verdict” on who was the Texas Tower shooter?
Do you believe “the Official Story verdict” there?
If so, why? Isn’t that what ‘they’ want you to believe?
If not, are you posting to the Texas Tower site that Whitman was framed, and those who believe the the Official Story verdict are ignorant sheeple and just believing their rulers?
If not, why not?
I don't know anything about Your Texas Tower Massacre.
Of course not. Since it happened in Texas only three years after the Kennedy assassination and involved an ex-Marine with similar shooting skills to Oswald shooting with a bolt-action rifle from a much higher building at people who were far more distant than Kennedy was from Oswald, we can’t learn anything about the assassination or whether Oswald and Oswald’s weapon was capable of committing the assassination.
You want to stick with that answer or phone a friend for help?
Post by NoTrueFlags Here
I'm talking about the JFK assassination because that is the topic which interests me, and the topic of this newsgrouppe. Your logical fallacy that Official Stories all need to be false for this one to be false
Straw-man Logical Fallacy. I never said that.
Post by NoTrueFlags Here
only reveals your fundamental dishonesty.
The “fundamental dishonesty” is from those who employ logical fallacies like straw-man arguments to make a pretend rebuttal to a point not made.
Post by NoTrueFlags Here
Everybody knows what a cowardly liar you are.
And there’s the ad hominem instead of a reasoned response.
Summary: You argued against a point I didn’t make, called me names, and claimed the similarities and differences between the JFK assassination and the Texas Tower shooting didn’t interest you, dismissing any attempt of mine to draw parallels between the two and extract what we could learn from these parallels.
How CT of you.
Sure, you'd rather talk about something that happened 3 years later because you can't defend your ridiculous Lone Nut theories.
What about your theory? I'm not asking you to defend it, but what should the punishment have been for Oswald shooting at the motorcade from the grassy knoll?
Are you thinking a life sentence or the death penalty or something else?
Maybe some combination of prison and being forced to befriend Gil or at least clean his trailer once a week?
Is Oswald "historically guilty" of some sort of involvement in JFK's death on 11/22/63?
If Oswald did what I think he did, then the death penalty would have been appropriate.
So while not approving of what Jack Ruby did, you are saying Oswald’s death would have been the appropriate punishment by the State of Texas, only Ruby beat them to it.
What about Clay Shaw? Any views there on his guilt or innocence?
I am saying what I said. If Oswald did what I think he did, then the death penalty would have been appropriate. And if Ruby murdered Oswald, then the death penalty would be appropriate for him, too. And Clay Shaw was found not guilty just as he should have been, since he was not proven guilty.
Hank Sienzant
2023-11-23 17:12:21 UTC
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Post by NoTrueFlags Here
It really doesn't mean anything other than the Official Story is that a person is guilty. Of course, the Nutter Retards are going to believe the Official Story verdict, but that's all it is. The rulers say Oswald did it. Everybody knows that.
What’s the “the Official Story verdict” on who was the Texas Tower shooter?
Do you believe “the Official Story verdict” there?
If so, why? Isn’t that what ‘they’ want you to believe?
If not, are you posting to the Texas Tower site that Whitman was framed, and those who believe the the Official Story verdict are ignorant sheeple and just believing their rulers?
If not, why not?
I don't know anything about Your Texas Tower Massacre.
Of course not. Since it happened in Texas only three years after the Kennedy assassination and involved an ex-Marine with similar shooting skills to Oswald shooting with a bolt-action rifle from a much higher building at people who were far more distant than Kennedy was from Oswald, we can’t learn anything about the assassination or whether Oswald and Oswald’s weapon was capable of committing the assassination.
You want to stick with that answer or phone a friend for help?
Post by NoTrueFlags Here
I'm talking about the JFK assassination because that is the topic which interests me, and the topic of this newsgrouppe. Your logical fallacy that Official Stories all need to be false for this one to be false
Straw-man Logical Fallacy. I never said that.
Post by NoTrueFlags Here
only reveals your fundamental dishonesty.
The “fundamental dishonesty” is from those who employ logical fallacies like straw-man arguments to make a pretend rebuttal to a point not made.
Post by NoTrueFlags Here
Everybody knows what a cowardly liar you are.
And there’s the ad hominem instead of a reasoned response.
Summary: You argued against a point I didn’t make, called me names, and claimed the similarities and differences between the JFK assassination and the Texas Tower shooting didn’t interest you, dismissing any attempt of mine to draw parallels between the two and extract what we could learn from these parallels.
How CT of you.
Sure, you'd rather talk about something that happened 3 years later because you can't defend your ridiculous Lone Nut theories.
What about your theory? I'm not asking you to defend it, but what should the punishment have been for Oswald shooting at the motorcade from the grassy knoll?
Are you thinking a life sentence or the death penalty or something else?
Maybe some combination of prison and being forced to befriend Gil or at least clean his trailer once a week?
Is Oswald "historically guilty" of some sort of involvement in JFK's death on 11/22/63?
If Oswald did what I think he did, then the death penalty would have been appropriate.
So while not approving of what Jack Ruby did, you are saying Oswald’s death would have been the appropriate punishment by the State of Texas, only Ruby beat them to it.
What about Clay Shaw? Any views there on his guilt or innocence?
I am saying what I said. If Oswald did what I think he did, then the death penalty would have been appropriate. And if Ruby murdered Oswald,
*IF*? Do you harbor doubts about that?
Hilarious!
Post by NoTrueFlags Here
then the death penalty would be appropriate for him, too. And Clay Shaw was found not guilty just as he should have been, since he was not proven guilty.
Non sequitur.
Ben Holmes
2023-11-29 18:21:41 UTC
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On Thu, 23 Nov 2023 09:12:21 -0800 (PST), Hank Sienzant
<***@aol.com> wrote:

You've claimed that the "A.B.C.D." in the Autopsy Report is the
description of the *location* of the large head wound.

Yet you refuse time and time again from QUOTING the preceding
paragraph that describes what this ACTUALLY is. Why is that?

You've also claimed that the prosectors dissected the throat wound.

Why do you continue to refuse to cite any evidence for this?

Why have you CONSISTENTLY run away each time I raise this issue?

Now you've quite stupidly insisted that the bullet entered JFK's back,
and exited the back of his head.

More cowardice, more stupidity, more dishonesty.

Are you proud of yourself?
Ben Holmes
2023-11-28 19:35:07 UTC
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On Thu, 23 Nov 2023 08:23:43 -0800 (PST), Hank Sienzant
<***@aol.com> wrote:

You've claimed that the "A.B.C.D." in the Autopsy Report is the
description of the *location* of the large head wound.

Yet you refuse time and time again from QUOTING the preceding
paragraph that describes what this ACTUALLY is. Why is that?

You've also claimed that the prosectors dissected the throat wound.

Why do you continue to refuse to cite any evidence for this?

Why have you CONSISTENTLY run away each time I raise this issue?

Now you've quite stupidly insisted that the bullet entered JFK's back,
and exited the back of his head.

More cowardice, more stupidity, more dishonesty.

Are you proud of yourself?
Ben Holmes
2023-11-26 02:57:48 UTC
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On Thu, 23 Nov 2023 08:11:44 -0800 (PST), Chuck Schuyler
Post by Chuck Schuyler
What about your theory?
How about *YOURS"?

Cowards run.

EVERY

SINGLE

TIME!
Hank Sienzant
2023-11-23 16:19:35 UTC
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Post by NoTrueFlags Here
It really doesn't mean anything other than the Official Story is that a person is guilty. Of course, the Nutter Retards are going to believe the Official Story verdict, but that's all it is. The rulers say Oswald did it. Everybody knows that.
What’s the “the Official Story verdict” on who was the Texas Tower shooter?
Do you believe “the Official Story verdict” there?
If so, why? Isn’t that what ‘they’ want you to believe?
If not, are you posting to the Texas Tower site that Whitman was framed, and those who believe the the Official Story verdict are ignorant sheeple and just believing their rulers?
If not, why not?
I don't know anything about Your Texas Tower Massacre.
Of course not. Since it happened in Texas only three years after the Kennedy assassination and involved an ex-Marine with similar shooting skills to Oswald shooting with a bolt-action rifle from a much higher building at people who were far more distant than Kennedy was from Oswald, we can’t learn anything about the assassination or whether Oswald and Oswald’s weapon was capable of committing the assassination.
You want to stick with that answer or phone a friend for help?
Post by NoTrueFlags Here
I'm talking about the JFK assassination because that is the topic which interests me, and the topic of this newsgrouppe. Your logical fallacy that Official Stories all need to be false for this one to be false
Straw-man Logical Fallacy. I never said that.
Post by NoTrueFlags Here
only reveals your fundamental dishonesty.
The “fundamental dishonesty” is from those who employ logical fallacies like straw-man arguments to make a pretend rebuttal to a point not made.
Post by NoTrueFlags Here
Everybody knows what a cowardly liar you are.
And there’s the ad hominem instead of a reasoned response.
Summary: You argued against a point I didn’t make, called me names, and claimed the similarities and differences between the JFK assassination and the Texas Tower shooting didn’t interest you, dismissing any attempt of mine to draw parallels between the two and extract what we could learn from these parallels.
How CT of you.
Sure, you'd rather talk about something that happened 3 years later
Another straw man argument. I want to talk about both, and see what we can learn, if anything, from another shooting in Texas by an ex-Marine with similar shooting skills to Oswald shooting with a bolt-action rifle from a much higher building at people who were far more distant than Kennedy was from Oswald. You apparently don’t want to talk about that, or learn anything from it.

Do I understand your point correctly?
Post by NoTrueFlags Here
because you can't defend your ridiculous Lone Nut theories.
Please be explicit and specific about what I said that you deem ridiculous.
Go ahead, we’ll wait.
NoTrueFlags Here
2023-11-23 16:24:45 UTC
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It really doesn't mean anything other than the Official Story is that a person is guilty. Of course, the Nutter Retards are going to believe the Official Story verdict, but that's all it is. The rulers say Oswald did it. Everybody knows that.
What’s the “the Official Story verdict” on who was the Texas Tower shooter?
Do you believe “the Official Story verdict” there?
If so, why? Isn’t that what ‘they’ want you to believe?
If not, are you posting to the Texas Tower site that Whitman was framed, and those who believe the the Official Story verdict are ignorant sheeple and just believing their rulers?
If not, why not?
I don't know anything about Your Texas Tower Massacre.
Of course not. Since it happened in Texas only three years after the Kennedy assassination and involved an ex-Marine with similar shooting skills to Oswald shooting with a bolt-action rifle from a much higher building at people who were far more distant than Kennedy was from Oswald, we can’t learn anything about the assassination or whether Oswald and Oswald’s weapon was capable of committing the assassination.
You want to stick with that answer or phone a friend for help?
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I'm talking about the JFK assassination because that is the topic which interests me, and the topic of this newsgrouppe. Your logical fallacy that Official Stories all need to be false for this one to be false
Straw-man Logical Fallacy. I never said that.
Post by NoTrueFlags Here
only reveals your fundamental dishonesty.
The “fundamental dishonesty” is from those who employ logical fallacies like straw-man arguments to make a pretend rebuttal to a point not made.
Post by NoTrueFlags Here
Everybody knows what a cowardly liar you are.
And there’s the ad hominem instead of a reasoned response.
Summary: You argued against a point I didn’t make, called me names, and claimed the similarities and differences between the JFK assassination and the Texas Tower shooting didn’t interest you, dismissing any attempt of mine to draw parallels between the two and extract what we could learn from these parallels.
How CT of you.
Sure, you'd rather talk about something that happened 3 years later
Another straw man argument. I want to talk about both, and see what we can learn, if anything, from another shooting in Texas by an ex-Marine with similar shooting skills to Oswald shooting with a bolt-action rifle from a much higher building at people who were far more distant than Kennedy was from Oswald. You apparently don’t want to talk about that, or learn anything from it.
Do I understand your point correctly?
Post by NoTrueFlags Here
because you can't defend your ridiculous Lone Nut theories.
Please be explicit and specific about what I said that you deem ridiculous.
Go ahead, we’ll wait.
I don't care about your true crime analogy because Oswald did not shoot any rifle from the TSBD. Why should I argue that he could or couldn't have done what he obviously did not do? You are trying to have an argument with somebody else. I don't know who and I don't care who. That's something for you and your psychiatrist to work out.
Hank Sienzant
2023-11-23 17:16:33 UTC
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It really doesn't mean anything other than the Official Story is that a person is guilty. Of course, the Nutter Retards are going to believe the Official Story verdict, but that's all it is. The rulers say Oswald did it. Everybody knows that.
What’s the “the Official Story verdict” on who was the Texas Tower shooter?
Do you believe “the Official Story verdict” there?
If so, why? Isn’t that what ‘they’ want you to believe?
If not, are you posting to the Texas Tower site that Whitman was framed, and those who believe the the Official Story verdict are ignorant sheeple and just believing their rulers?
If not, why not?
I don't know anything about Your Texas Tower Massacre.
Of course not. Since it happened in Texas only three years after the Kennedy assassination and involved an ex-Marine with similar shooting skills to Oswald shooting with a bolt-action rifle from a much higher building at people who were far more distant than Kennedy was from Oswald, we can’t learn anything about the assassination or whether Oswald and Oswald’s weapon was capable of committing the assassination.
You want to stick with that answer or phone a friend for help?
Post by NoTrueFlags Here
I'm talking about the JFK assassination because that is the topic which interests me, and the topic of this newsgrouppe. Your logical fallacy that Official Stories all need to be false for this one to be false
Straw-man Logical Fallacy. I never said that.
Post by NoTrueFlags Here
only reveals your fundamental dishonesty.
The “fundamental dishonesty” is from those who employ logical fallacies like straw-man arguments to make a pretend rebuttal to a point not made.
Post by NoTrueFlags Here
Everybody knows what a cowardly liar you are.
And there’s the ad hominem instead of a reasoned response.
Summary: You argued against a point I didn’t make, called me names, and claimed the similarities and differences between the JFK assassination and the Texas Tower shooting didn’t interest you, dismissing any attempt of mine to draw parallels between the two and extract what we could learn from these parallels.
How CT of you.
Sure, you'd rather talk about something that happened 3 years later
Another straw man argument. I want to talk about both, and see what we can learn, if anything, from another shooting in Texas by an ex-Marine with similar shooting skills to Oswald shooting with a bolt-action rifle from a much higher building at people who were far more distant than Kennedy was from Oswald. You apparently don’t want to talk about that, or learn anything from it.
Do I understand your point correctly?
Post by NoTrueFlags Here
because you can't defend your ridiculous Lone Nut theories.
Please be explicit and specific about what I said that you deem ridiculous.
Go ahead, we’ll wait.
I don't care about your true crime analogy because Oswald did not shoot any rifle from the TSBD.
“Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence” — Carl Sagan.
Awaiting your extraordinary evidence. Go ahead, we’ll wait.
Post by NoTrueFlags Here
Why should I argue that he could or couldn't have done what he obviously did not do?
Begged Question Logical Fallacy. You need to establish that, not simply proclaim it as a given.
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You are trying to have an argument with somebody else. I don't know who and I don't care who.
No, I'm trying to have a discussion with you about what the evidence establishes about the Kennedy assassination. You keep ducking out of that discussion, yet you claim to be interested in the Kennedy assassination (”I'm talking about the JFK assassination because that is the topic which interests me”). I've said we can learn something about Oswald’s rifle capabilities from the Charles Whitman* Texas Tower shooting, and despite claiming Oswald was a shooter (and deserving of the death penalty, no less), you don't want to talk about that other shooting, or what we can learn from it.
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That's something for you and your psychiatrist to work out.
And there’s the ad hominem we knew you couldn't wait to utter. Why not just cut to the chase and simply call me names?

________
* Do you accept that Charles Whitman IS the Texas Tower shooter, or do you reserve judgment and want to insist he is presumed innocent (like Gil and Robert Johnson) because he was never convicted in a trial?

Gil: https://groups.google.com/g/alt.conspiracy.jfk/c/8JGtKyYuijk/m/QyFRel1NAAAJ
Robert: https://groups.google.com/g/alt.conspiracy.jfk/c/JsKjTsn3Fes/m/n3T6e3AMCAAJ
JE Corbett
2023-11-23 17:26:36 UTC
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It really doesn't mean anything other than the Official Story is that a person is guilty. Of course, the Nutter Retards are going to believe the Official Story verdict, but that's all it is. The rulers say Oswald did it. Everybody knows that.
What’s the “the Official Story verdict” on who was the Texas Tower shooter?
Do you believe “the Official Story verdict” there?
If so, why? Isn’t that what ‘they’ want you to believe?
If not, are you posting to the Texas Tower site that Whitman was framed, and those who believe the the Official Story verdict are ignorant sheeple and just believing their rulers?
If not, why not?
I don't know anything about Your Texas Tower Massacre.
Of course not. Since it happened in Texas only three years after the Kennedy assassination and involved an ex-Marine with similar shooting skills to Oswald shooting with a bolt-action rifle from a much higher building at people who were far more distant than Kennedy was from Oswald, we can’t learn anything about the assassination or whether Oswald and Oswald’s weapon was capable of committing the assassination.
You want to stick with that answer or phone a friend for help?
Post by NoTrueFlags Here
I'm talking about the JFK assassination because that is the topic which interests me, and the topic of this newsgrouppe. Your logical fallacy that Official Stories all need to be false for this one to be false
Straw-man Logical Fallacy. I never said that.
Post by NoTrueFlags Here
only reveals your fundamental dishonesty.
The “fundamental dishonesty” is from those who employ logical fallacies like straw-man arguments to make a pretend rebuttal to a point not made.
Post by NoTrueFlags Here
Everybody knows what a cowardly liar you are.
And there’s the ad hominem instead of a reasoned response.
Summary: You argued against a point I didn’t make, called me names, and claimed the similarities and differences between the JFK assassination and the Texas Tower shooting didn’t interest you, dismissing any attempt of mine to draw parallels between the two and extract what we could learn from these parallels.
How CT of you.
Sure, you'd rather talk about something that happened 3 years later
Another straw man argument. I want to talk about both, and see what we can learn, if anything, from another shooting in Texas by an ex-Marine with similar shooting skills to Oswald shooting with a bolt-action rifle from a much higher building at people who were far more distant than Kennedy was from Oswald. You apparently don’t want to talk about that, or learn anything from it.
Do I understand your point correctly?
Post by NoTrueFlags Here
because you can't defend your ridiculous Lone Nut theories.
Please be explicit and specific about what I said that you deem ridiculous.
Go ahead, we’ll wait.
I don't care about your true crime analogy because Oswald did not shoot any rifle from the TSBD.
“Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence” — Carl Sagan.
Awaiting your extraordinary evidence. Go ahead, we’ll wait.
Post by NoTrueFlags Here
Why should I argue that he could or couldn't have done what he obviously did not do?
Begged Question Logical Fallacy. You need to establish that, not simply proclaim it as a given.
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You are trying to have an argument with somebody else. I don't know who and I don't care who.
No, I'm trying to have a discussion with you about what the evidence establishes about the Kennedy assassination. You keep ducking out of that discussion, yet you claim to be interested in the Kennedy assassination (”I'm talking about the JFK assassination because that is the topic which interests me”). I've said we can learn something about Oswald’s rifle capabilities from the Charles Whitman* Texas Tower shooting, and despite claiming Oswald was a shooter (and deserving of the death penalty, no less), you don't want to talk about that other shooting, or what we can learn from it.
Post by NoTrueFlags Here
That's something for you and your psychiatrist to work out.
And there’s the ad hominem we knew you couldn't wait to utter. Why not just cut to the chase and simply call me names?
________
* Do you accept that Charles Whitman IS the Texas Tower shooter, or do you reserve judgment and want to insist he is presumed innocent (like Gil and Robert Johnson) because he was never convicted in a trial?
Gil: https://groups.google.com/g/alt.conspiracy.jfk/c/8JGtKyYuijk/m/QyFRel1NAAAJ
Robert: https://groups.google.com/g/alt.conspiracy.jfk/c/JsKjTsn3Fes/m/n3T6e3AMCAAJ
For the record, Charles Whitman's best qualifying score was only 3 points higher than Oswald's (215 to 212). Whitman killed
about a dozen people and wounded many more from a much greater height and much greater distances. He wounded a guy
riding a bike more than a block away from the tower. It shows he had the capability of hitting a moving target from a much
greater distance than Oswald shot Kennedy from. Given these facts, it seems silly to argue the assassination was beyond
Oswald's capability.
Hank Sienzant
2023-11-23 17:39:06 UTC
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It really doesn't mean anything other than the Official Story is that a person is guilty. Of course, the Nutter Retards are going to believe the Official Story verdict, but that's all it is. The rulers say Oswald did it. Everybody knows that.
What’s the “the Official Story verdict” on who was the Texas Tower shooter?
Do you believe “the Official Story verdict” there?
If so, why? Isn’t that what ‘they’ want you to believe?
If not, are you posting to the Texas Tower site that Whitman was framed, and those who believe the the Official Story verdict are ignorant sheeple and just believing their rulers?
If not, why not?
I don't know anything about Your Texas Tower Massacre.
Of course not. Since it happened in Texas only three years after the Kennedy assassination and involved an ex-Marine with similar shooting skills to Oswald shooting with a bolt-action rifle from a much higher building at people who were far more distant than Kennedy was from Oswald, we can’t learn anything about the assassination or whether Oswald and Oswald’s weapon was capable of committing the assassination.
You want to stick with that answer or phone a friend for help?
Post by NoTrueFlags Here
I'm talking about the JFK assassination because that is the topic which interests me, and the topic of this newsgrouppe. Your logical fallacy that Official Stories all need to be false for this one to be false
Straw-man Logical Fallacy. I never said that.
Post by NoTrueFlags Here
only reveals your fundamental dishonesty.
The “fundamental dishonesty” is from those who employ logical fallacies like straw-man arguments to make a pretend rebuttal to a point not made.
Post by NoTrueFlags Here
Everybody knows what a cowardly liar you are.
And there’s the ad hominem instead of a reasoned response.
Summary: You argued against a point I didn’t make, called me names, and claimed the similarities and differences between the JFK assassination and the Texas Tower shooting didn’t interest you, dismissing any attempt of mine to draw parallels between the two and extract what we could learn from these parallels.
How CT of you.
Sure, you'd rather talk about something that happened 3 years later
Another straw man argument. I want to talk about both, and see what we can learn, if anything, from another shooting in Texas by an ex-Marine with similar shooting skills to Oswald shooting with a bolt-action rifle from a much higher building at people who were far more distant than Kennedy was from Oswald. You apparently don’t want to talk about that, or learn anything from it.
Do I understand your point correctly?
Post by NoTrueFlags Here
because you can't defend your ridiculous Lone Nut theories.
Please be explicit and specific about what I said that you deem ridiculous.
Go ahead, we’ll wait.
I don't care about your true crime analogy because Oswald did not shoot any rifle from the TSBD.
“Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence” — Carl Sagan.
Awaiting your extraordinary evidence. Go ahead, we’ll wait.
Post by NoTrueFlags Here
Why should I argue that he could or couldn't have done what he obviously did not do?
Begged Question Logical Fallacy. You need to establish that, not simply proclaim it as a given.
Post by NoTrueFlags Here
You are trying to have an argument with somebody else. I don't know who and I don't care who.
No, I'm trying to have a discussion with you about what the evidence establishes about the Kennedy assassination. You keep ducking out of that discussion, yet you claim to be interested in the Kennedy assassination (”I'm talking about the JFK assassination because that is the topic which interests me”). I've said we can learn something about Oswald’s rifle capabilities from the Charles Whitman* Texas Tower shooting, and despite claiming Oswald was a shooter (and deserving of the death penalty, no less), you don't want to talk about that other shooting, or what we can learn from it.
Post by NoTrueFlags Here
That's something for you and your psychiatrist to work out.
And there’s the ad hominem we knew you couldn't wait to utter. Why not just cut to the chase and simply call me names?
________
* Do you accept that Charles Whitman IS the Texas Tower shooter, or do you reserve judgment and want to insist he is presumed innocent (like Gil and Robert Johnson) because he was never convicted in a trial?
Gil: https://groups.google.com/g/alt.conspiracy.jfk/c/8JGtKyYuijk/m/QyFRel1NAAAJ
Robert: https://groups.google.com/g/alt.conspiracy.jfk/c/JsKjTsn3Fes/m/n3T6e3AMCAAJ
For the record, Charles Whitman's best qualifying score was only 3 points higher than Oswald's (215 to 212). Whitman killed
about a dozen people and wounded many more from a much greater height and much greater distances. He wounded a guy
riding a bike more than a block away from the tower. It shows he had the capability of hitting a moving target from a much
greater distance than Oswald shot Kennedy from. Given these facts, it seems silly to argue the assassination was beyond
Oswald's capability.
Sshhhh. We can not discuss that here. It has nothing to do with the Kennedy assassination, or Oswald’s rifle capabilities, or his guilt or innocence. Flag guy has declared it out of bounds.
Ben Holmes
2023-11-28 21:05:09 UTC
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<***@aol.com> wrote:

You've claimed that the "A.B.C.D." in the Autopsy Report is the
description of the *location* of the large head wound.

Yet you refuse time and time again from QUOTING the preceding
paragraph that describes what this ACTUALLY is. Why is that?

You've also claimed that the prosectors dissected the throat wound.

Why do you continue to refuse to cite any evidence for this?

Why have you CONSISTENTLY run away each time I raise this issue?

Now you've quite stupidly insisted that the bullet entered JFK's back,
and exited the back of his head.

More cowardice, more stupidity, more dishonesty.

Are you proud of yourself?
Ben Holmes
2023-11-30 16:07:13 UTC
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For the record...
You don't believe the record...
NoTrueFlags Here
2023-11-23 17:28:40 UTC
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It really doesn't mean anything other than the Official Story is that a person is guilty. Of course, the Nutter Retards are going to believe the Official Story verdict, but that's all it is. The rulers say Oswald did it. Everybody knows that.
What’s the “the Official Story verdict” on who was the Texas Tower shooter?
Do you believe “the Official Story verdict” there?
If so, why? Isn’t that what ‘they’ want you to believe?
If not, are you posting to the Texas Tower site that Whitman was framed, and those who believe the the Official Story verdict are ignorant sheeple and just believing their rulers?
If not, why not?
I don't know anything about Your Texas Tower Massacre.
Of course not. Since it happened in Texas only three years after the Kennedy assassination and involved an ex-Marine with similar shooting skills to Oswald shooting with a bolt-action rifle from a much higher building at people who were far more distant than Kennedy was from Oswald, we can’t learn anything about the assassination or whether Oswald and Oswald’s weapon was capable of committing the assassination.
You want to stick with that answer or phone a friend for help?
Post by NoTrueFlags Here
I'm talking about the JFK assassination because that is the topic which interests me, and the topic of this newsgrouppe. Your logical fallacy that Official Stories all need to be false for this one to be false
Straw-man Logical Fallacy. I never said that.
Post by NoTrueFlags Here
only reveals your fundamental dishonesty.
The “fundamental dishonesty” is from those who employ logical fallacies like straw-man arguments to make a pretend rebuttal to a point not made.
Post by NoTrueFlags Here
Everybody knows what a cowardly liar you are.
And there’s the ad hominem instead of a reasoned response.
Summary: You argued against a point I didn’t make, called me names, and claimed the similarities and differences between the JFK assassination and the Texas Tower shooting didn’t interest you, dismissing any attempt of mine to draw parallels between the two and extract what we could learn from these parallels.
How CT of you.
Sure, you'd rather talk about something that happened 3 years later
Another straw man argument. I want to talk about both, and see what we can learn, if anything, from another shooting in Texas by an ex-Marine with similar shooting skills to Oswald shooting with a bolt-action rifle from a much higher building at people who were far more distant than Kennedy was from Oswald. You apparently don’t want to talk about that, or learn anything from it.
Do I understand your point correctly?
Post by NoTrueFlags Here
because you can't defend your ridiculous Lone Nut theories.
Please be explicit and specific about what I said that you deem ridiculous.
Go ahead, we’ll wait.
I don't care about your true crime analogy because Oswald did not shoot any rifle from the TSBD.
“Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence” — Carl Sagan.
Awaiting your extraordinary evidence. Go ahead, we’ll wait.
Post by NoTrueFlags Here
Why should I argue that he could or couldn't have done what he obviously did not do?
Begged Question Logical Fallacy. You need to establish that, not simply proclaim it as a given.
Post by NoTrueFlags Here
You are trying to have an argument with somebody else. I don't know who and I don't care who.
No, I'm trying to have a discussion with you about what the evidence establishes about the Kennedy assassination. You keep ducking out of that discussion, yet you claim to be interested in the Kennedy assassination (”I'm talking about the JFK assassination because that is the topic which interests me”). I've said we can learn something about Oswald’s rifle capabilities from the Charles Whitman* Texas Tower shooting, and despite claiming Oswald was a shooter (and deserving of the death penalty, no less), you don't want to talk about that other shooting, or what we can learn from it.
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That's something for you and your psychiatrist to work out.
And there’s the ad hominem we knew you couldn't wait to utter. Why not just cut to the chase and simply call me names?
________
* Do you accept that Charles Whitman IS the Texas Tower shooter, or do you reserve judgment and want to insist he is presumed innocent (like Gil and Robert Johnson) because he was never convicted in a trial?
Gil: https://groups.google.com/g/alt.conspiracy.jfk/c/8JGtKyYuijk/m/QyFRel1NAAAJ
Robert: https://groups.google.com/g/alt.conspiracy.jfk/c/JsKjTsn3Fes/m/n3T6e3AMCAAJ
Well, you are insane and dishonest and you defend murderers, so I should call you a Nutter Shit Bag, Nutter Shit Bag.
Hank Sienzant
2023-11-23 17:30:17 UTC
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It really doesn't mean anything other than the Official Story is that a person is guilty. Of course, the Nutter Retards are going to believe the Official Story verdict, but that's all it is. The rulers say Oswald did it. Everybody knows that.
What’s the “the Official Story verdict” on who was the Texas Tower shooter?
Do you believe “the Official Story verdict” there?
If so, why? Isn’t that what ‘they’ want you to believe?
If not, are you posting to the Texas Tower site that Whitman was framed, and those who believe the the Official Story verdict are ignorant sheeple and just believing their rulers?
If not, why not?
I don't know anything about Your Texas Tower Massacre.
Of course not. Since it happened in Texas only three years after the Kennedy assassination and involved an ex-Marine with similar shooting skills to Oswald shooting with a bolt-action rifle from a much higher building at people who were far more distant than Kennedy was from Oswald, we can’t learn anything about the assassination or whether Oswald and Oswald’s weapon was capable of committing the assassination.
You want to stick with that answer or phone a friend for help?
Post by NoTrueFlags Here
I'm talking about the JFK assassination because that is the topic which interests me, and the topic of this newsgrouppe. Your logical fallacy that Official Stories all need to be false for this one to be false
Straw-man Logical Fallacy. I never said that.
Post by NoTrueFlags Here
only reveals your fundamental dishonesty.
The “fundamental dishonesty” is from those who employ logical fallacies like straw-man arguments to make a pretend rebuttal to a point not made.
Post by NoTrueFlags Here
Everybody knows what a cowardly liar you are.
And there’s the ad hominem instead of a reasoned response.
Summary: You argued against a point I didn’t make, called me names, and claimed the similarities and differences between the JFK assassination and the Texas Tower shooting didn’t interest you, dismissing any attempt of mine to draw parallels between the two and extract what we could learn from these parallels.
How CT of you.
Sure, you'd rather talk about something that happened 3 years later
Another straw man argument. I want to talk about both, and see what we can learn, if anything, from another shooting in Texas by an ex-Marine with similar shooting skills to Oswald shooting with a bolt-action rifle from a much higher building at people who were far more distant than Kennedy was from Oswald. You apparently don’t want to talk about that, or learn anything from it.
Do I understand your point correctly?
Post by NoTrueFlags Here
because you can't defend your ridiculous Lone Nut theories.
Please be explicit and specific about what I said that you deem ridiculous.
Go ahead, we’ll wait.
I don't care about your true crime analogy because Oswald did not shoot any rifle from the TSBD.
“Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence” — Carl Sagan.
Awaiting your extraordinary evidence. Go ahead, we’ll wait.
Post by NoTrueFlags Here
Why should I argue that he could or couldn't have done what he obviously did not do?
Begged Question Logical Fallacy. You need to establish that, not simply proclaim it as a given.
Post by NoTrueFlags Here
You are trying to have an argument with somebody else. I don't know who and I don't care who.
No, I'm trying to have a discussion with you about what the evidence establishes about the Kennedy assassination. You keep ducking out of that discussion, yet you claim to be interested in the Kennedy assassination (”I'm talking about the JFK assassination because that is the topic which interests me”). I've said we can learn something about Oswald’s rifle capabilities from the Charles Whitman* Texas Tower shooting, and despite claiming Oswald was a shooter (and deserving of the death penalty, no less), you don't want to talk about that other shooting, or what we can learn from it.
Post by NoTrueFlags Here
That's something for you and your psychiatrist to work out.
And there’s the ad hominem we knew you couldn't wait to utter. Why not just cut to the chase and simply call me names?
________
* Do you accept that Charles Whitman IS the Texas Tower shooter, or do you reserve judgment and want to insist he is presumed innocent (like Gil and Robert Johnson) because he was never convicted in a trial?
Gil: https://groups.google.com/g/alt.conspiracy.jfk/c/8JGtKyYuijk/m/QyFRel1NAAAJ
Robert: https://groups.google.com/g/alt.conspiracy.jfk/c/JsKjTsn3Fes/m/n3T6e3AMCAAJ
Well, you are insane and dishonest and you defend murderers, so I should call you a Nutter Shit Bag, Nutter Shit Bag.
Like I said, just cut to the chase and call me names.
Ben Holmes
2023-11-29 17:53:24 UTC
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On Thu, 23 Nov 2023 09:30:17 -0800 (PST), Hank Sienzant
<***@aol.com> wrote:

You've claimed that the "A.B.C.D." in the Autopsy Report is the
description of the *location* of the large head wound.

Yet you refuse time and time again from QUOTING the preceding
paragraph that describes what this ACTUALLY is. Why is that?

You've also claimed that the prosectors dissected the throat wound.

Why do you continue to refuse to cite any evidence for this?

Why have you CONSISTENTLY run away each time I raise this issue?

Now you've quite stupidly insisted that the bullet entered JFK's back,
and exited the back of his head.

More cowardice, more stupidity, more dishonesty.

Are you proud of yourself?
Hank Sienzant
2023-11-23 17:33:21 UTC
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It really doesn't mean anything other than the Official Story is that a person is guilty. Of course, the Nutter Retards are going to believe the Official Story verdict, but that's all it is. The rulers say Oswald did it. Everybody knows that.
What’s the “the Official Story verdict” on who was the Texas Tower shooter?
Do you believe “the Official Story verdict” there?
If so, why? Isn’t that what ‘they’ want you to believe?
If not, are you posting to the Texas Tower site that Whitman was framed, and those who believe the the Official Story verdict are ignorant sheeple and just believing their rulers?
If not, why not?
I don't know anything about Your Texas Tower Massacre.
Of course not. Since it happened in Texas only three years after the Kennedy assassination and involved an ex-Marine with similar shooting skills to Oswald shooting with a bolt-action rifle from a much higher building at people who were far more distant than Kennedy was from Oswald, we can’t learn anything about the assassination or whether Oswald and Oswald’s weapon was capable of committing the assassination.
You want to stick with that answer or phone a friend for help?
Post by NoTrueFlags Here
I'm talking about the JFK assassination because that is the topic which interests me, and the topic of this newsgrouppe. Your logical fallacy that Official Stories all need to be false for this one to be false
Straw-man Logical Fallacy. I never said that.
Post by NoTrueFlags Here
only reveals your fundamental dishonesty.
The “fundamental dishonesty” is from those who employ logical fallacies like straw-man arguments to make a pretend rebuttal to a point not made.
Post by NoTrueFlags Here
Everybody knows what a cowardly liar you are.
And there’s the ad hominem instead of a reasoned response.
Summary: You argued against a point I didn’t make, called me names, and claimed the similarities and differences between the JFK assassination and the Texas Tower shooting didn’t interest you, dismissing any attempt of mine to draw parallels between the two and extract what we could learn from these parallels.
How CT of you.
Sure, you'd rather talk about something that happened 3 years later
Another straw man argument. I want to talk about both, and see what we can learn, if anything, from another shooting in Texas by an ex-Marine with similar shooting skills to Oswald shooting with a bolt-action rifle from a much higher building at people who were far more distant than Kennedy was from Oswald. You apparently don’t want to talk about that, or learn anything from it.
Do I understand your point correctly?
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because you can't defend your ridiculous Lone Nut theories.
Please be explicit and specific about what I said that you deem ridiculous.
Go ahead, we’ll wait.
I don't care about your true crime analogy because Oswald did not shoot any rifle from the TSBD.
“Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence” — Carl Sagan.
Awaiting your extraordinary evidence. Go ahead, we’ll wait.
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Why should I argue that he could or couldn't have done what he obviously did not do?
Begged Question Logical Fallacy. You need to establish that, not simply proclaim it as a given.
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You are trying to have an argument with somebody else. I don't know who and I don't care who.
No, I'm trying to have a discussion with you about what the evidence establishes about the Kennedy assassination. You keep ducking out of that discussion, yet you claim to be interested in the Kennedy assassination (”I'm talking about the JFK assassination because that is the topic which interests me”). I've said we can learn something about Oswald’s rifle capabilities from the Charles Whitman* Texas Tower shooting, and despite claiming Oswald was a shooter (and deserving of the death penalty, no less), you don't want to talk about that other shooting, or what we can learn from it.
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That's something for you and your psychiatrist to work out.
And there’s the ad hominem we knew you couldn't wait to utter. Why not just cut to the chase and simply call me names?
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* Do you accept that Charles Whitman IS the Texas Tower shooter, or do you reserve judgment and want to insist he is presumed innocent (like Gil and Robert Johnson) because he was never convicted in a trial?
Gil: https://groups.google.com/g/alt.conspiracy.jfk/c/8JGtKyYuijk/m/QyFRel1NAAAJ
Robert: https://groups.google.com/g/alt.conspiracy.jfk/c/JsKjTsn3Fes/m/n3T6e3AMCAAJ
Well, you are insane and dishonest and you defend murderers, so I should call you a Nutter Shit Bag, Nutter Shit Bag.
The ones defending murders are those who claim a trial and guilty verdict is necessary before we can judge Charles Whitman guilty of being the Texas Tower shooter, or Harris and Klebold guilty of being the Columbine school shooters.

Folks like Gil and Robert Johnson.

You know, conspiracy theorists.
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It really doesn't mean anything other than the Official Story is that a person is guilty. Of course, the Nutter Retards are going to believe the Official Story verdict, but that's all it is. The rulers say Oswald did it. Everybody knows that.
What’s the “the Official Story verdict” on who was the Texas Tower shooter?
Do you believe “the Official Story verdict” there?
If so, why? Isn’t that what ‘they’ want you to believe?
If not, are you posting to the Texas Tower site that Whitman was framed, and those who believe the the Official Story verdict are ignorant sheeple and just believing their rulers?
If not, why not?
I don't know anything about Your Texas Tower Massacre.
Of course not. Since it happened in Texas only three years after the Kennedy assassination and involved an ex-Marine with similar shooting skills to Oswald shooting with a bolt-action rifle from a much higher building at people who were far more distant than Kennedy was from Oswald, we can’t learn anything about the assassination or whether Oswald and Oswald’s weapon was capable of committing the assassination.
You want to stick with that answer or phone a friend for help?
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I'm talking about the JFK assassination because that is the topic which interests me, and the topic of this newsgrouppe. Your logical fallacy that Official Stories all need to be false for this one to be false
Straw-man Logical Fallacy. I never said that.
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only reveals your fundamental dishonesty.
The “fundamental dishonesty” is from those who employ logical fallacies like straw-man arguments to make a pretend rebuttal to a point not made.
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Everybody knows what a cowardly liar you are.
And there’s the ad hominem instead of a reasoned response.
Summary: You argued against a point I didn’t make, called me names, and claimed the similarities and differences between the JFK assassination and the Texas Tower shooting didn’t interest you, dismissing any attempt of mine to draw parallels between the two and extract what we could learn from these parallels.
How CT of you.
Sure, you'd rather talk about something that happened 3 years later
Another straw man argument. I want to talk about both, and see what we can learn, if anything, from another shooting in Texas by an ex-Marine with similar shooting skills to Oswald shooting with a bolt-action rifle from a much higher building at people who were far more distant than Kennedy was from Oswald. You apparently don’t want to talk about that, or learn anything from it.
Do I understand your point correctly?
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because you can't defend your ridiculous Lone Nut theories.
Please be explicit and specific about what I said that you deem ridiculous.
Go ahead, we’ll wait.
I don't care about your true crime analogy because Oswald did not shoot any rifle from the TSBD.
“Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence” — Carl Sagan.
Awaiting your extraordinary evidence. Go ahead, we’ll wait.
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Why should I argue that he could or couldn't have done what he obviously did not do?
Begged Question Logical Fallacy. You need to establish that, not simply proclaim it as a given.
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You are trying to have an argument with somebody else. I don't know who and I don't care who.
No, I'm trying to have a discussion with you about what the evidence establishes about the Kennedy assassination. You keep ducking out of that discussion, yet you claim to be interested in the Kennedy assassination (”I'm talking about the JFK assassination because that is the topic which interests me”). I've said we can learn something about Oswald’s rifle capabilities from the Charles Whitman* Texas Tower shooting, and despite claiming Oswald was a shooter (and deserving of the death penalty, no less), you don't want to talk about that other shooting, or what we can learn from it.
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That's something for you and your psychiatrist to work out.
And there’s the ad hominem we knew you couldn't wait to utter. Why not just cut to the chase and simply call me names?
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* Do you accept that Charles Whitman IS the Texas Tower shooter, or do you reserve judgment and want to insist he is presumed innocent (like Gil and Robert Johnson) because he was never convicted in a trial?
Gil: https://groups.google.com/g/alt.conspiracy.jfk/c/8JGtKyYuijk/m/QyFRel1NAAAJ
Robert: https://groups.google.com/g/alt.conspiracy.jfk/c/JsKjTsn3Fes/m/n3T6e3AMCAAJ
Well, you are insane and dishonest and you defend murderers, so I should call you a Nutter Shit Bag, Nutter Shit Bag.
The ones defending murders are those who claim a trial and guilty verdict is necessary before we can judge Charles Whitman guilty of being the Texas Tower shooter, or Harris and Klebold guilty of being the Columbine school shooters.
Folks like Gil and Robert Johnson.
You know, conspiracy theorists.
"We" can judge anything we want at any time. It's your "historically guilty" bullshit which started all this, your attempt to lend credibility to your pet theory by giving it a stupid name.
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It really doesn't mean anything other than the Official Story is that a person is guilty. Of course, the Nutter Retards are going to believe the Official Story verdict, but that's all it is. The rulers say Oswald did it. Everybody knows that.
What’s the “the Official Story verdict” on who was the Texas Tower shooter?
Do you believe “the Official Story verdict” there?
If so, why? Isn’t that what ‘they’ want you to believe?
If not, are you posting to the Texas Tower site that Whitman was framed, and those who believe the the Official Story verdict are ignorant sheeple and just believing their rulers?
If not, why not?
I don't know anything about Your Texas Tower Massacre.
Of course not. Since it happened in Texas only three years after the Kennedy assassination and involved an ex-Marine with similar shooting skills to Oswald shooting with a bolt-action rifle from a much higher building at people who were far more distant than Kennedy was from Oswald, we can’t learn anything about the assassination or whether Oswald and Oswald’s weapon was capable of committing the assassination.
You want to stick with that answer or phone a friend for help?
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I'm talking about the JFK assassination because that is the topic which interests me, and the topic of this newsgrouppe. Your logical fallacy that Official Stories all need to be false for this one to be false
Straw-man Logical Fallacy. I never said that.
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only reveals your fundamental dishonesty.
The “fundamental dishonesty” is from those who employ logical fallacies like straw-man arguments to make a pretend rebuttal to a point not made.
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Everybody knows what a cowardly liar you are.
And there’s the ad hominem instead of a reasoned response.
Summary: You argued against a point I didn’t make, called me names, and claimed the similarities and differences between the JFK assassination and the Texas Tower shooting didn’t interest you, dismissing any attempt of mine to draw parallels between the two and extract what we could learn from these parallels.
How CT of you.
Sure, you'd rather talk about something that happened 3 years later
Another straw man argument. I want to talk about both, and see what we can learn, if anything, from another shooting in Texas by an ex-Marine with similar shooting skills to Oswald shooting with a bolt-action rifle from a much higher building at people who were far more distant than Kennedy was from Oswald. You apparently don’t want to talk about that, or learn anything from it.
Do I understand your point correctly?
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because you can't defend your ridiculous Lone Nut theories.
Please be explicit and specific about what I said that you deem ridiculous.
Go ahead, we’ll wait.
I don't care about your true crime analogy because Oswald did not shoot any rifle from the TSBD.
“Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence” — Carl Sagan.
Awaiting your extraordinary evidence. Go ahead, we’ll wait.
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Why should I argue that he could or couldn't have done what he obviously did not do?
Begged Question Logical Fallacy. You need to establish that, not simply proclaim it as a given.
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You are trying to have an argument with somebody else. I don't know who and I don't care who.
No, I'm trying to have a discussion with you about what the evidence establishes about the Kennedy assassination. You keep ducking out of that discussion, yet you claim to be interested in the Kennedy assassination (”I'm talking about the JFK assassination because that is the topic which interests me”). I've said we can learn something about Oswald’s rifle capabilities from the Charles Whitman* Texas Tower shooting, and despite claiming Oswald was a shooter (and deserving of the death penalty, no less), you don't want to talk about that other shooting, or what we can learn from it.
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That's something for you and your psychiatrist to work out.
And there’s the ad hominem we knew you couldn't wait to utter. Why not just cut to the chase and simply call me names?
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* Do you accept that Charles Whitman IS the Texas Tower shooter, or do you reserve judgment and want to insist he is presumed innocent (like Gil and Robert Johnson) because he was never convicted in a trial?
Gil: https://groups.google.com/g/alt.conspiracy.jfk/c/8JGtKyYuijk/m/QyFRel1NAAAJ
Robert: https://groups.google.com/g/alt.conspiracy.jfk/c/JsKjTsn3Fes/m/n3T6e3AMCAAJ
Well, you are insane and dishonest and you defend murderers, so I should call you a Nutter Shit Bag, Nutter Shit Bag.
The ones defending murders are those who claim a trial and guilty verdict is necessary before we can judge Charles Whitman guilty of being the Texas Tower shooter, or Harris and Klebold guilty of being the Columbine school shooters.
Folks like Gil and Robert Johnson.
You know, conspiracy theorists.
"We" can judge anything we want at any time. It's your "historically guilty" bullshit which started all this, your attempt to lend credibility to your pet theory by giving it a stupid name.
The ones defending murders are those who claim a trial and guilty verdict is necessary before we can judge Charles Whitman guilty of being the Texas Tower shooter, or Harris and Klebold guilty of being the Columbine school shooters.

Folks like Gil and Robert Johnson.

And now, apparently, you. For if no one is historically guilty, then neither are John Wilkes Booth, Charles Whitman, Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold.

This is where your “logic” that there is not such thing as historically guilty — in a vain attempt to exonerate Oswald — gets you.
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2023-11-26 17:09:01 UTC
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It really doesn't mean anything other than the Official Story is that a person is guilty. Of course, the Nutter Retards are going to believe the Official Story verdict, but that's all it is. The rulers say Oswald did it. Everybody knows that.
What’s the “the Official Story verdict” on who was the Texas Tower shooter?
Do you believe “the Official Story verdict” there?
If so, why? Isn’t that what ‘they’ want you to believe?
If not, are you posting to the Texas Tower site that Whitman was framed, and those who believe the the Official Story verdict are ignorant sheeple and just believing their rulers?
If not, why not?
I don't know anything about Your Texas Tower Massacre.
Of course not. Since it happened in Texas only three years after the Kennedy assassination and involved an ex-Marine with similar shooting skills to Oswald shooting with a bolt-action rifle from a much higher building at people who were far more distant than Kennedy was from Oswald, we can’t learn anything about the assassination or whether Oswald and Oswald’s weapon was capable of committing the assassination.
You want to stick with that answer or phone a friend for help?
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I'm talking about the JFK assassination because that is the topic which interests me, and the topic of this newsgrouppe. Your logical fallacy that Official Stories all need to be false for this one to be false
Straw-man Logical Fallacy. I never said that.
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only reveals your fundamental dishonesty.
The “fundamental dishonesty” is from those who employ logical fallacies like straw-man arguments to make a pretend rebuttal to a point not made.
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Everybody knows what a cowardly liar you are.
And there’s the ad hominem instead of a reasoned response.
Summary: You argued against a point I didn’t make, called me names, and claimed the similarities and differences between the JFK assassination and the Texas Tower shooting didn’t interest you, dismissing any attempt of mine to draw parallels between the two and extract what we could learn from these parallels.
How CT of you.
Sure, you'd rather talk about something that happened 3 years later
Another straw man argument. I want to talk about both, and see what we can learn, if anything, from another shooting in Texas by an ex-Marine with similar shooting skills to Oswald shooting with a bolt-action rifle from a much higher building at people who were far more distant than Kennedy was from Oswald. You apparently don’t want to talk about that, or learn anything from it.
Do I understand your point correctly?
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because you can't defend your ridiculous Lone Nut theories.
Please be explicit and specific about what I said that you deem ridiculous.
Go ahead, we’ll wait.
I don't care about your true crime analogy because Oswald did not shoot any rifle from the TSBD.
“Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence” — Carl Sagan.
Awaiting your extraordinary evidence. Go ahead, we’ll wait.
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Why should I argue that he could or couldn't have done what he obviously did not do?
Begged Question Logical Fallacy. You need to establish that, not simply proclaim it as a given.
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You are trying to have an argument with somebody else. I don't know who and I don't care who.
No, I'm trying to have a discussion with you about what the evidence establishes about the Kennedy assassination. You keep ducking out of that discussion, yet you claim to be interested in the Kennedy assassination (”I'm talking about the JFK assassination because that is the topic which interests me”). I've said we can learn something about Oswald’s rifle capabilities from the Charles Whitman* Texas Tower shooting, and despite claiming Oswald was a shooter (and deserving of the death penalty, no less), you don't want to talk about that other shooting, or what we can learn from it.
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That's something for you and your psychiatrist to work out.
And there’s the ad hominem we knew you couldn't wait to utter. Why not just cut to the chase and simply call me names?
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* Do you accept that Charles Whitman IS the Texas Tower shooter, or do you reserve judgment and want to insist he is presumed innocent (like Gil and Robert Johnson) because he was never convicted in a trial?
Gil: https://groups.google.com/g/alt.conspiracy.jfk/c/8JGtKyYuijk/m/QyFRel1NAAAJ
Robert: https://groups.google.com/g/alt.conspiracy.jfk/c/JsKjTsn3Fes/m/n3T6e3AMCAAJ
Well, you are insane and dishonest and you defend murderers, so I should call you a Nutter Shit Bag, Nutter Shit Bag.
The ones defending murders are those who claim a trial and guilty verdict is necessary before we can judge Charles Whitman guilty of being the Texas Tower shooter, or Harris and Klebold guilty of being the Columbine school shooters.
Folks like Gil and Robert Johnson.
You know, conspiracy theorists.
"We" can judge anything we want at any time. It's your "historically guilty" bullshit which started all this, your attempt to lend credibility to your pet theory by giving it a stupid name.
The ones defending murders are those who claim a trial and guilty verdict is necessary before we can judge Charles Whitman guilty of being the Texas Tower shooter, or Harris and Klebold guilty of being the Columbine school shooters.
Folks like Gil and Robert Johnson.
And now, apparently, you. For if no one is historically guilty, then neither are John Wilkes Booth, Charles Whitman, Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold.
This is where your “logic” that there is not such thing as historically guilty — in a vain attempt to exonerate Oswald — gets you.
There is no historically guilty, but we can judge anybody guilty. Why are you too stupid to understand that? I judge you guilty, right now. Historicity has nothing to do with it. By making it "historically" you are attempting to assign consensus to your own pet theory.
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2023-11-26 21:55:27 UTC
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It really doesn't mean anything other than the Official Story is that a person is guilty. Of course, the Nutter Retards are going to believe the Official Story verdict, but that's all it is. The rulers say Oswald did it. Everybody knows that.
What’s the “the Official Story verdict” on who was the Texas Tower shooter?
Do you believe “the Official Story verdict” there?
If so, why? Isn’t that what ‘they’ want you to believe?
If not, are you posting to the Texas Tower site that Whitman was framed, and those who believe the the Official Story verdict are ignorant sheeple and just believing their rulers?
If not, why not?
I don't know anything about Your Texas Tower Massacre.
Of course not. Since it happened in Texas only three years after the Kennedy assassination and involved an ex-Marine with similar shooting skills to Oswald shooting with a bolt-action rifle from a much higher building at people who were far more distant than Kennedy was from Oswald, we can’t learn anything about the assassination or whether Oswald and Oswald’s weapon was capable of committing the assassination.
You want to stick with that answer or phone a friend for help?
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I'm talking about the JFK assassination because that is the topic which interests me, and the topic of this newsgrouppe. Your logical fallacy that Official Stories all need to be false for this one to be false
Straw-man Logical Fallacy. I never said that.
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only reveals your fundamental dishonesty.
The “fundamental dishonesty” is from those who employ logical fallacies like straw-man arguments to make a pretend rebuttal to a point not made.
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Everybody knows what a cowardly liar you are.
And there’s the ad hominem instead of a reasoned response.
Summary: You argued against a point I didn’t make, called me names, and claimed the similarities and differences between the JFK assassination and the Texas Tower shooting didn’t interest you, dismissing any attempt of mine to draw parallels between the two and extract what we could learn from these parallels.
How CT of you.
Sure, you'd rather talk about something that happened 3 years later
Another straw man argument. I want to talk about both, and see what we can learn, if anything, from another shooting in Texas by an ex-Marine with similar shooting skills to Oswald shooting with a bolt-action rifle from a much higher building at people who were far more distant than Kennedy was from Oswald. You apparently don’t want to talk about that, or learn anything from it.
Do I understand your point correctly?
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because you can't defend your ridiculous Lone Nut theories.
Please be explicit and specific about what I said that you deem ridiculous.
Go ahead, we’ll wait.
I don't care about your true crime analogy because Oswald did not shoot any rifle from the TSBD.
“Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence” — Carl Sagan.
Awaiting your extraordinary evidence. Go ahead, we’ll wait.
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Why should I argue that he could or couldn't have done what he obviously did not do?
Begged Question Logical Fallacy. You need to establish that, not simply proclaim it as a given.
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You are trying to have an argument with somebody else. I don't know who and I don't care who.
No, I'm trying to have a discussion with you about what the evidence establishes about the Kennedy assassination. You keep ducking out of that discussion, yet you claim to be interested in the Kennedy assassination (”I'm talking about the JFK assassination because that is the topic which interests me”). I've said we can learn something about Oswald’s rifle capabilities from the Charles Whitman* Texas Tower shooting, and despite claiming Oswald was a shooter (and deserving of the death penalty, no less), you don't want to talk about that other shooting, or what we can learn from it.
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That's something for you and your psychiatrist to work out.
And there’s the ad hominem we knew you couldn't wait to utter. Why not just cut to the chase and simply call me names?
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* Do you accept that Charles Whitman IS the Texas Tower shooter, or do you reserve judgment and want to insist he is presumed innocent (like Gil and Robert Johnson) because he was never convicted in a trial?
Gil: https://groups.google.com/g/alt.conspiracy.jfk/c/8JGtKyYuijk/m/QyFRel1NAAAJ
Robert: https://groups.google.com/g/alt.conspiracy.jfk/c/JsKjTsn3Fes/m/n3T6e3AMCAAJ
Well, you are insane and dishonest and you defend murderers, so I should call you a Nutter Shit Bag, Nutter Shit Bag.
The ones defending murders are those who claim a trial and guilty verdict is necessary before we can judge Charles Whitman guilty of being the Texas Tower shooter, or Harris and Klebold guilty of being the Columbine school shooters.
Folks like Gil and Robert Johnson.
You know, conspiracy theorists.
"We" can judge anything we want at any time. It's your "historically guilty" bullshit which started all this, your attempt to lend credibility to your pet theory by giving it a stupid name.
The ones defending murders are those who claim a trial and guilty verdict is necessary before we can judge Charles Whitman guilty of being the Texas Tower shooter, or Harris and Klebold guilty of being the Columbine school shooters.
Folks like Gil and Robert Johnson.
And now, apparently, you. For if no one is historically guilty, then neither are John Wilkes Booth, Charles Whitman, Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold.
This is where your “logic” that there is not such thing as historically guilty — in a vain attempt to exonerate Oswald — gets you.
There is no historically guilty,
For if no one is historically guilty, then neither are John Wilkes Booth, Charles Whitman, Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold and many others.
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but we can judge anybody guilty.
Except Oswald, apparently, for conspiracy theorists.
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Why are you too stupid to understand that? I judge you guilty, right now. Historicity has nothing to do with it. By making it "historically" you are attempting to assign consensus to your own pet theory.
If you've got a better solution than the guy all the evidence points to being the guilty party, I'd love to hear it. You don't, of course. No CT does.
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It really doesn't mean anything other than the Official Story is that a person is guilty. Of course, the Nutter Retards are going to believe the Official Story verdict, but that's all it is. The rulers say Oswald did it. Everybody knows that.
What’s the “the Official Story verdict” on who was the Texas Tower shooter?
Do you believe “the Official Story verdict” there?
If so, why? Isn’t that what ‘they’ want you to believe?
If not, are you posting to the Texas Tower site that Whitman was framed, and those who believe the the Official Story verdict are ignorant sheeple and just believing their rulers?
If not, why not?
I don't know anything about Your Texas Tower Massacre.
Of course not. Since it happened in Texas only three years after the Kennedy assassination and involved an ex-Marine with similar shooting skills to Oswald shooting with a bolt-action rifle from a much higher building at people who were far more distant than Kennedy was from Oswald, we can’t learn anything about the assassination or whether Oswald and Oswald’s weapon was capable of committing the assassination.
You want to stick with that answer or phone a friend for help?
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I'm talking about the JFK assassination because that is the topic which interests me, and the topic of this newsgrouppe. Your logical fallacy that Official Stories all need to be false for this one to be false
Straw-man Logical Fallacy. I never said that.
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only reveals your fundamental dishonesty.
The “fundamental dishonesty” is from those who employ logical fallacies like straw-man arguments to make a pretend rebuttal to a point not made.
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Everybody knows what a cowardly liar you are.
And there’s the ad hominem instead of a reasoned response.
Summary: You argued against a point I didn’t make, called me names, and claimed the similarities and differences between the JFK assassination and the Texas Tower shooting didn’t interest you, dismissing any attempt of mine to draw parallels between the two and extract what we could learn from these parallels.
How CT of you.
Sure, you'd rather talk about something that happened 3 years later
Another straw man argument. I want to talk about both, and see what we can learn, if anything, from another shooting in Texas by an ex-Marine with similar shooting skills to Oswald shooting with a bolt-action rifle from a much higher building at people who were far more distant than Kennedy was from Oswald. You apparently don’t want to talk about that, or learn anything from it.
Do I understand your point correctly?
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because you can't defend your ridiculous Lone Nut theories.
Please be explicit and specific about what I said that you deem ridiculous.
Go ahead, we’ll wait.
I don't care about your true crime analogy because Oswald did not shoot any rifle from the TSBD.
“Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence” — Carl Sagan.
Awaiting your extraordinary evidence. Go ahead, we’ll wait.
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Why should I argue that he could or couldn't have done what he obviously did not do?
Begged Question Logical Fallacy. You need to establish that, not simply proclaim it as a given.
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You are trying to have an argument with somebody else. I don't know who and I don't care who.
No, I'm trying to have a discussion with you about what the evidence establishes about the Kennedy assassination. You keep ducking out of that discussion, yet you claim to be interested in the Kennedy assassination (”I'm talking about the JFK assassination because that is the topic which interests me”). I've said we can learn something about Oswald’s rifle capabilities from the Charles Whitman* Texas Tower shooting, and despite claiming Oswald was a shooter (and deserving of the death penalty, no less), you don't want to talk about that other shooting, or what we can learn from it.
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That's something for you and your psychiatrist to work out.
And there’s the ad hominem we knew you couldn't wait to utter. Why not just cut to the chase and simply call me names?
________
* Do you accept that Charles Whitman IS the Texas Tower shooter, or do you reserve judgment and want to insist he is presumed innocent (like Gil and Robert Johnson) because he was never convicted in a trial?
Gil: https://groups.google.com/g/alt.conspiracy.jfk/c/8JGtKyYuijk/m/QyFRel1NAAAJ
Robert: https://groups.google.com/g/alt.conspiracy.jfk/c/JsKjTsn3Fes/m/n3T6e3AMCAAJ
Well, you are insane and dishonest and you defend murderers, so I should call you a Nutter Shit Bag, Nutter Shit Bag.
The ones defending murders are those who claim a trial and guilty verdict is necessary before we can judge Charles Whitman guilty of being the Texas Tower shooter, or Harris and Klebold guilty of being the Columbine school shooters.
Folks like Gil and Robert Johnson.
You know, conspiracy theorists.
"We" can judge anything we want at any time. It's your "historically guilty" bullshit which started all this, your attempt to lend credibility to your pet theory by giving it a stupid name.
The ones defending murders are those who claim a trial and guilty verdict is necessary before we can judge Charles Whitman guilty of being the Texas Tower shooter, or Harris and Klebold guilty of being the Columbine school shooters.
Folks like Gil and Robert Johnson.
And now, apparently, you. For if no one is historically guilty, then neither are John Wilkes Booth, Charles Whitman, Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold.
This is where your “logic” that there is not such thing as historically guilty — in a vain attempt to exonerate Oswald — gets you.
There is no historically guilty,
For if no one is historically guilty, then neither are John Wilkes Booth, Charles Whitman, Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold and many others.
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but we can judge anybody guilty.
Except Oswald, apparently, for conspiracy theorists.
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Why are you too stupid to understand that? I judge you guilty, right now. Historicity has nothing to do with it. By making it "historically" you are attempting to assign consensus to your own pet theory.
If you've got a better solution than the guy all the evidence points to being the guilty party, I'd love to hear it. You don't, of course. No CT does.
`I think Booth and Oswald are guilty, but you will have to define "Historically Guilty" if you really want my opinion about that, which you don't because you're just trolling your propaganda. You want to bump up your insane theory to "Historically" true. You want Oswald being Historically Guilty to mean that there was no conspiracy. You are dishonest and lazy and hypocrital and very illogical. And delusionally, you want to speak for "history."
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It really doesn't mean anything other than the Official Story is that a person is guilty. Of course, the Nutter Retards are going to believe the Official Story verdict, but that's all it is. The rulers say Oswald did it. Everybody knows that.
What’s the “the Official Story verdict” on who was the Texas Tower shooter?
Do you believe “the Official Story verdict” there?
If so, why? Isn’t that what ‘they’ want you to believe?
If not, are you posting to the Texas Tower site that Whitman was framed, and those who believe the the Official Story verdict are ignorant sheeple and just believing their rulers?
If not, why not?
I don't know anything about Your Texas Tower Massacre.
Of course not. Since it happened in Texas only three years after the Kennedy assassination and involved an ex-Marine with similar shooting skills to Oswald shooting with a bolt-action rifle from a much higher building at people who were far more distant than Kennedy was from Oswald, we can’t learn anything about the assassination or whether Oswald and Oswald’s weapon was capable of committing the assassination.
You want to stick with that answer or phone a friend for help?
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I'm talking about the JFK assassination because that is the topic which interests me, and the topic of this newsgrouppe. Your logical fallacy that Official Stories all need to be false for this one to be false
Straw-man Logical Fallacy. I never said that.
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only reveals your fundamental dishonesty.
The “fundamental dishonesty” is from those who employ logical fallacies like straw-man arguments to make a pretend rebuttal to a point not made.
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Everybody knows what a cowardly liar you are.
And there’s the ad hominem instead of a reasoned response.
Summary: You argued against a point I didn’t make, called me names, and claimed the similarities and differences between the JFK assassination and the Texas Tower shooting didn’t interest you, dismissing any attempt of mine to draw parallels between the two and extract what we could learn from these parallels.
How CT of you.
Sure, you'd rather talk about something that happened 3 years later
Another straw man argument. I want to talk about both, and see what we can learn, if anything, from another shooting in Texas by an ex-Marine with similar shooting skills to Oswald shooting with a bolt-action rifle from a much higher building at people who were far more distant than Kennedy was from Oswald. You apparently don’t want to talk about that, or learn anything from it.
Do I understand your point correctly?
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because you can't defend your ridiculous Lone Nut theories.
Please be explicit and specific about what I said that you deem ridiculous.
Go ahead, we’ll wait.
I don't care about your true crime analogy because Oswald did not shoot any rifle from the TSBD.
“Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence” — Carl Sagan.
Awaiting your extraordinary evidence. Go ahead, we’ll wait.
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Why should I argue that he could or couldn't have done what he obviously did not do?
Begged Question Logical Fallacy. You need to establish that, not simply proclaim it as a given.
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You are trying to have an argument with somebody else. I don't know who and I don't care who.
No, I'm trying to have a discussion with you about what the evidence establishes about the Kennedy assassination. You keep ducking out of that discussion, yet you claim to be interested in the Kennedy assassination (”I'm talking about the JFK assassination because that is the topic which interests me”). I've said we can learn something about Oswald’s rifle capabilities from the Charles Whitman* Texas Tower shooting, and despite claiming Oswald was a shooter (and deserving of the death penalty, no less), you don't want to talk about that other shooting, or what we can learn from it.
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That's something for you and your psychiatrist to work out.
And there’s the ad hominem we knew you couldn't wait to utter. Why not just cut to the chase and simply call me names?
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* Do you accept that Charles Whitman IS the Texas Tower shooter, or do you reserve judgment and want to insist he is presumed innocent (like Gil and Robert Johnson) because he was never convicted in a trial?
Gil: https://groups.google.com/g/alt.conspiracy.jfk/c/8JGtKyYuijk/m/QyFRel1NAAAJ
Robert: https://groups.google.com/g/alt.conspiracy.jfk/c/JsKjTsn3Fes/m/n3T6e3AMCAAJ
Well, you are insane and dishonest and you defend murderers, so I should call you a Nutter Shit Bag, Nutter Shit Bag.
The ones defending murders are those who claim a trial and guilty verdict is necessary before we can judge Charles Whitman guilty of being the Texas Tower shooter, or Harris and Klebold guilty of being the Columbine school shooters.
Folks like Gil and Robert Johnson.
You know, conspiracy theorists.
"We" can judge anything we want at any time. It's your "historically guilty" bullshit which started all this, your attempt to lend credibility to your pet theory by giving it a stupid name.
The ones defending murders are those who claim a trial and guilty verdict is necessary before we can judge Charles Whitman guilty of being the Texas Tower shooter, or Harris and Klebold guilty of being the Columbine school shooters.
Folks like Gil and Robert Johnson.
And now, apparently, you. For if no one is historically guilty, then neither are John Wilkes Booth, Charles Whitman, Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold.
This is where your “logic” that there is not such thing as historically guilty — in a vain attempt to exonerate Oswald — gets you.
There is no historically guilty,
For if no one is historically guilty, then neither are John Wilkes Booth, Charles Whitman, Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold and many others.
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but we can judge anybody guilty.
Except Oswald, apparently, for conspiracy theorists.
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Why are you too stupid to understand that? I judge you guilty, right now. Historicity has nothing to do with it. By making it "historically" you are attempting to assign consensus to your own pet theory.
If you've got a better solution than the guy all the evidence points to being the guilty party, I'd love to hear it. You don't, of course. No CT does.
`I think Booth and Oswald are guilty, but you will have to define "Historically Guilty" if you really want my opinion about that, which you don't because you're just trolling your propaganda. You want to bump up your insane theory to "Historically" true. You want Oswald being Historically Guilty to mean that there was no conspiracy. You are dishonest and lazy and hypocrital and very illogical. And delusionally, you want to speak for "history."
That doesn't follow. Booth was historically guilty AND part of a conspiracy. The two aren't mutually exclusive.
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It really doesn't mean anything other than the Official Story is that a person is guilty. Of course, the Nutter Retards are going to believe the Official Story verdict, but that's all it is. The rulers say Oswald did it. Everybody knows that.
What’s the “the Official Story verdict” on who was the Texas Tower shooter?
Do you believe “the Official Story verdict” there?
If so, why? Isn’t that what ‘they’ want you to believe?
If not, are you posting to the Texas Tower site that Whitman was framed, and those who believe the the Official Story verdict are ignorant sheeple and just believing their rulers?
If not, why not?
I don't know anything about Your Texas Tower Massacre.
Of course not. Since it happened in Texas only three years after the Kennedy assassination and involved an ex-Marine with similar shooting skills to Oswald shooting with a bolt-action rifle from a much higher building at people who were far more distant than Kennedy was from Oswald, we can’t learn anything about the assassination or whether Oswald and Oswald’s weapon was capable of committing the assassination.
You want to stick with that answer or phone a friend for help?
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I'm talking about the JFK assassination because that is the topic which interests me, and the topic of this newsgrouppe. Your logical fallacy that Official Stories all need to be false for this one to be false
Straw-man Logical Fallacy. I never said that.
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only reveals your fundamental dishonesty.
The “fundamental dishonesty” is from those who employ logical fallacies like straw-man arguments to make a pretend rebuttal to a point not made.
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Everybody knows what a cowardly liar you are.
And there’s the ad hominem instead of a reasoned response.
Summary: You argued against a point I didn’t make, called me names, and claimed the similarities and differences between the JFK assassination and the Texas Tower shooting didn’t interest you, dismissing any attempt of mine to draw parallels between the two and extract what we could learn from these parallels.
How CT of you.
Sure, you'd rather talk about something that happened 3 years later
Another straw man argument. I want to talk about both, and see what we can learn, if anything, from another shooting in Texas by an ex-Marine with similar shooting skills to Oswald shooting with a bolt-action rifle from a much higher building at people who were far more distant than Kennedy was from Oswald. You apparently don’t want to talk about that, or learn anything from it.
Do I understand your point correctly?
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because you can't defend your ridiculous Lone Nut theories.
Please be explicit and specific about what I said that you deem ridiculous.
Go ahead, we’ll wait.
I don't care about your true crime analogy because Oswald did not shoot any rifle from the TSBD.
“Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence” — Carl Sagan.
Awaiting your extraordinary evidence. Go ahead, we’ll wait.
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Why should I argue that he could or couldn't have done what he obviously did not do?
Begged Question Logical Fallacy. You need to establish that, not simply proclaim it as a given.
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You are trying to have an argument with somebody else. I don't know who and I don't care who.
No, I'm trying to have a discussion with you about what the evidence establishes about the Kennedy assassination. You keep ducking out of that discussion, yet you claim to be interested in the Kennedy assassination (”I'm talking about the JFK assassination because that is the topic which interests me”). I've said we can learn something about Oswald’s rifle capabilities from the Charles Whitman* Texas Tower shooting, and despite claiming Oswald was a shooter (and deserving of the death penalty, no less), you don't want to talk about that other shooting, or what we can learn from it.
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That's something for you and your psychiatrist to work out.
And there’s the ad hominem we knew you couldn't wait to utter. Why not just cut to the chase and simply call me names?
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* Do you accept that Charles Whitman IS the Texas Tower shooter, or do you reserve judgment and want to insist he is presumed innocent (like Gil and Robert Johnson) because he was never convicted in a trial?
Gil: https://groups.google.com/g/alt.conspiracy.jfk/c/8JGtKyYuijk/m/QyFRel1NAAAJ
Robert: https://groups.google.com/g/alt.conspiracy.jfk/c/JsKjTsn3Fes/m/n3T6e3AMCAAJ
Well, you are insane and dishonest and you defend murderers, so I should call you a Nutter Shit Bag, Nutter Shit Bag.
The ones defending murders are those who claim a trial and guilty verdict is necessary before we can judge Charles Whitman guilty of being the Texas Tower shooter, or Harris and Klebold guilty of being the Columbine school shooters.
Folks like Gil and Robert Johnson.
You know, conspiracy theorists.
"We" can judge anything we want at any time. It's your "historically guilty" bullshit which started all this, your attempt to lend credibility to your pet theory by giving it a stupid name.
The ones defending murders are those who claim a trial and guilty verdict is necessary before we can judge Charles Whitman guilty of being the Texas Tower shooter, or Harris and Klebold guilty of being the Columbine school shooters.
Folks like Gil and Robert Johnson.
And now, apparently, you. For if no one is historically guilty, then neither are John Wilkes Booth, Charles Whitman, Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold.
This is where your “logic” that there is not such thing as historically guilty — in a vain attempt to exonerate Oswald — gets you.
There is no historically guilty,
For if no one is historically guilty, then neither are John Wilkes Booth, Charles Whitman, Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold and many others.
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but we can judge anybody guilty.
Except Oswald, apparently, for conspiracy theorists.
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Why are you too stupid to understand that? I judge you guilty, right now. Historicity has nothing to do with it. By making it "historically" you are attempting to assign consensus to your own pet theory.
If you've got a better solution than the guy all the evidence points to being the guilty party, I'd love to hear it. You don't, of course. No CT does.
`I think Booth and Oswald are guilty, but you will have to define "Historically Guilty" if you really want my opinion about that, which you don't because you're just trolling your propaganda. You want to bump up your insane theory to "Historically" true. You want Oswald being Historically Guilty to mean that there was no conspiracy. You are dishonest and lazy and hypocrital and very illogical. And delusionally, you want to speak for "history."
That doesn't follow. Booth was historically guilty AND part of a conspiracy. The two aren't mutually exclusive.
They are not mutually exclusive, but Oswald being guilty under Hank's "Historically Guilty" Theory excludes conspiracy. Hank is trying to sneak that in under his "Historically Guilty" designation. That's why he insists on "historically" being attached to guilty. That's why "historically" in this context needs to be defined. But Hank refuses to define it because then he would have to defend his definition, which he knows is arbitrary and therefore indefensible. If Hank were honest he would say, "I think Oswald is guilty," and leave history out of it. But Hank is not honest.
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It really doesn't mean anything other than the Official Story is that a person is guilty. Of course, the Nutter Retards are going to believe the Official Story verdict, but that's all it is. The rulers say Oswald did it. Everybody knows that.
What’s the “the Official Story verdict” on who was the Texas Tower shooter?
Do you believe “the Official Story verdict” there?
If so, why? Isn’t that what ‘they’ want you to believe?
If not, are you posting to the Texas Tower site that Whitman was framed, and those who believe the the Official Story verdict are ignorant sheeple and just believing their rulers?
If not, why not?
I don't know anything about Your Texas Tower Massacre.
Of course not. Since it happened in Texas only three years after the Kennedy assassination and involved an ex-Marine with similar shooting skills to Oswald shooting with a bolt-action rifle from a much higher building at people who were far more distant than Kennedy was from Oswald, we can’t learn anything about the assassination or whether Oswald and Oswald’s weapon was capable of committing the assassination.
You want to stick with that answer or phone a friend for help?
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I'm talking about the JFK assassination because that is the topic which interests me, and the topic of this newsgrouppe. Your logical fallacy that Official Stories all need to be false for this one to be false
Straw-man Logical Fallacy. I never said that.
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only reveals your fundamental dishonesty.
The “fundamental dishonesty” is from those who employ logical fallacies like straw-man arguments to make a pretend rebuttal to a point not made.
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Everybody knows what a cowardly liar you are.
And there’s the ad hominem instead of a reasoned response.
Summary: You argued against a point I didn’t make, called me names, and claimed the similarities and differences between the JFK assassination and the Texas Tower shooting didn’t interest you, dismissing any attempt of mine to draw parallels between the two and extract what we could learn from these parallels.
How CT of you.
Sure, you'd rather talk about something that happened 3 years later
Another straw man argument. I want to talk about both, and see what we can learn, if anything, from another shooting in Texas by an ex-Marine with similar shooting skills to Oswald shooting with a bolt-action rifle from a much higher building at people who were far more distant than Kennedy was from Oswald. You apparently don’t want to talk about that, or learn anything from it.
Do I understand your point correctly?
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because you can't defend your ridiculous Lone Nut theories.
Please be explicit and specific about what I said that you deem ridiculous.
Go ahead, we’ll wait.
I don't care about your true crime analogy because Oswald did not shoot any rifle from the TSBD.
“Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence” — Carl Sagan.
Awaiting your extraordinary evidence. Go ahead, we’ll wait.
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Why should I argue that he could or couldn't have done what he obviously did not do?
Begged Question Logical Fallacy. You need to establish that, not simply proclaim it as a given.
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You are trying to have an argument with somebody else. I don't know who and I don't care who.
No, I'm trying to have a discussion with you about what the evidence establishes about the Kennedy assassination. You keep ducking out of that discussion, yet you claim to be interested in the Kennedy assassination (”I'm talking about the JFK assassination because that is the topic which interests me”). I've said we can learn something about Oswald’s rifle capabilities from the Charles Whitman* Texas Tower shooting, and despite claiming Oswald was a shooter (and deserving of the death penalty, no less), you don't want to talk about that other shooting, or what we can learn from it.
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That's something for you and your psychiatrist to work out.
And there’s the ad hominem we knew you couldn't wait to utter. Why not just cut to the chase and simply call me names?
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* Do you accept that Charles Whitman IS the Texas Tower shooter, or do you reserve judgment and want to insist he is presumed innocent (like Gil and Robert Johnson) because he was never convicted in a trial?
Gil: https://groups.google.com/g/alt.conspiracy.jfk/c/8JGtKyYuijk/m/QyFRel1NAAAJ
Robert: https://groups.google.com/g/alt.conspiracy.jfk/c/JsKjTsn3Fes/m/n3T6e3AMCAAJ
Well, you are insane and dishonest and you defend murderers, so I should call you a Nutter Shit Bag, Nutter Shit Bag.
The ones defending murders are those who claim a trial and guilty verdict is necessary before we can judge Charles Whitman guilty of being the Texas Tower shooter, or Harris and Klebold guilty of being the Columbine school shooters.
Folks like Gil and Robert Johnson.
You know, conspiracy theorists.
"We" can judge anything we want at any time. It's your "historically guilty" bullshit which started all this, your attempt to lend credibility to your pet theory by giving it a stupid name.
The ones defending murders are those who claim a trial and guilty verdict is necessary before we can judge Charles Whitman guilty of being the Texas Tower shooter, or Harris and Klebold guilty of being the Columbine school shooters.
Folks like Gil and Robert Johnson.
And now, apparently, you. For if no one is historically guilty, then neither are John Wilkes Booth, Charles Whitman, Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold.
This is where your “logic” that there is not such thing as historically guilty — in a vain attempt to exonerate Oswald — gets you.
There is no historically guilty,
For if no one is historically guilty, then neither are John Wilkes Booth, Charles Whitman, Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold and many others.
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but we can judge anybody guilty.
Except Oswald, apparently, for conspiracy theorists.
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Why are you too stupid to understand that? I judge you guilty, right now. Historicity has nothing to do with it. By making it "historically" you are attempting to assign consensus to your own pet theory.
If you've got a better solution than the guy all the evidence points to being the guilty party, I'd love to hear it. You don't, of course. No CT does.
`I think Booth and Oswald are guilty, but you will have to define "Historically Guilty" if you really want my opinion about that, which you don't because you're just trolling your propaganda. You want to bump up your insane theory to "Historically" true. You want Oswald being Historically Guilty to mean that there was no conspiracy. You are dishonest and lazy and hypocrital and very illogical. And delusionally, you want to speak for "history."
That doesn't follow. Booth was historically guilty AND part of a conspiracy. The two aren't mutually exclusive.
They are not mutually exclusive, but Oswald being guilty under Hank's "Historically Guilty" Theory excludes conspiracy. Hank is trying to sneak that in under his "Historically Guilty" designation. That's why he insists on "historically" being attached to guilty. That's why "historically" in this context needs to be defined. But Hank refuses to define it because then he would have to defend his definition, which he knows is arbitrary and therefore indefensible. If Hank were honest he would say, "I think Oswald is guilty," and leave history out of it. But Hank is not honest.
Or maybe a better way to say it..."Historically Guilty" implies that a matter has been settled, that it is not controversial, that there is a consensus that Oswald is guilty.. Obviously the matter of the assassination, and of Oswald's guilt still is controversial. It is not settled. Therefore, to insist that it is settled and expect those who disagree to accept your terminology which implies that it is settled is arrogant and dishonest. The fact that many people disagree means that it is not settled and that any terminology which implies that it is settled is incorrect. On the other hand, if your use of "Historically Guilty" is meant to merely distinguish the judgement from a legal court finding, then that would be a correct way to express your opinion. But still, it is not reasonable to insist that others adopt your terminology when it implies consensus. "Historically Guilty" implies consensus, the consensus of history or historians or something. So, if you are not willing to defend this implication of consensus, then it is not reasonable to expect others to adopt your terminology. You think Oswald was an non-convicted guilty person.
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It really doesn't mean anything other than the Official Story is that a person is guilty. Of course, the Nutter Retards are going to believe the Official Story verdict, but that's all it is. The rulers say Oswald did it. Everybody knows that.
What’s the “the Official Story verdict” on who was the Texas Tower shooter?
Do you believe “the Official Story verdict” there?
If so, why? Isn’t that what ‘they’ want you to believe?
If not, are you posting to the Texas Tower site that Whitman was framed, and those who believe the the Official Story verdict are ignorant sheeple and just believing their rulers?
If not, why not?
I don't know anything about Your Texas Tower Massacre.
Of course not. Since it happened in Texas only three years after the Kennedy assassination and involved an ex-Marine with similar shooting skills to Oswald shooting with a bolt-action rifle from a much higher building at people who were far more distant than Kennedy was from Oswald, we can’t learn anything about the assassination or whether Oswald and Oswald’s weapon was capable of committing the assassination.
You want to stick with that answer or phone a friend for help?
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I'm talking about the JFK assassination because that is the topic which interests me, and the topic of this newsgrouppe. Your logical fallacy that Official Stories all need to be false for this one to be false
Straw-man Logical Fallacy. I never said that.
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only reveals your fundamental dishonesty.
The “fundamental dishonesty” is from those who employ logical fallacies like straw-man arguments to make a pretend rebuttal to a point not made.
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Everybody knows what a cowardly liar you are.
And there’s the ad hominem instead of a reasoned response.
Summary: You argued against a point I didn’t make, called me names, and claimed the similarities and differences between the JFK assassination and the Texas Tower shooting didn’t interest you, dismissing any attempt of mine to draw parallels between the two and extract what we could learn from these parallels.
How CT of you.
Sure, you'd rather talk about something that happened 3 years later
Another straw man argument. I want to talk about both, and see what we can learn, if anything, from another shooting in Texas by an ex-Marine with similar shooting skills to Oswald shooting with a bolt-action rifle from a much higher building at people who were far more distant than Kennedy was from Oswald. You apparently don’t want to talk about that, or learn anything from it.
Do I understand your point correctly?
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because you can't defend your ridiculous Lone Nut theories.
Please be explicit and specific about what I said that you deem ridiculous.
Go ahead, we’ll wait.
I don't care about your true crime analogy because Oswald did not shoot any rifle from the TSBD.
“Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence” — Carl Sagan.
Awaiting your extraordinary evidence. Go ahead, we’ll wait.
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Why should I argue that he could or couldn't have done what he obviously did not do?
Begged Question Logical Fallacy. You need to establish that, not simply proclaim it as a given.
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You are trying to have an argument with somebody else. I don't know who and I don't care who.
No, I'm trying to have a discussion with you about what the evidence establishes about the Kennedy assassination. You keep ducking out of that discussion, yet you claim to be interested in the Kennedy assassination (”I'm talking about the JFK assassination because that is the topic which interests me”). I've said we can learn something about Oswald’s rifle capabilities from the Charles Whitman* Texas Tower shooting, and despite claiming Oswald was a shooter (and deserving of the death penalty, no less), you don't want to talk about that other shooting, or what we can learn from it.
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That's something for you and your psychiatrist to work out.
And there’s the ad hominem we knew you couldn't wait to utter. Why not just cut to the chase and simply call me names?
________
* Do you accept that Charles Whitman IS the Texas Tower shooter, or do you reserve judgment and want to insist he is presumed innocent (like Gil and Robert Johnson) because he was never convicted in a trial?
Gil: https://groups.google.com/g/alt.conspiracy.jfk/c/8JGtKyYuijk/m/QyFRel1NAAAJ
Robert: https://groups.google.com/g/alt.conspiracy.jfk/c/JsKjTsn3Fes/m/n3T6e3AMCAAJ
Well, you are insane and dishonest and you defend murderers, so I should call you a Nutter Shit Bag, Nutter Shit Bag.
The ones defending murders are those who claim a trial and guilty verdict is necessary before we can judge Charles Whitman guilty of being the Texas Tower shooter, or Harris and Klebold guilty of being the Columbine school shooters.
Folks like Gil and Robert Johnson.
You know, conspiracy theorists.
"We" can judge anything we want at any time. It's your "historically guilty" bullshit which started all this, your attempt to lend credibility to your pet theory by giving it a stupid name.
The ones defending murders are those who claim a trial and guilty verdict is necessary before we can judge Charles Whitman guilty of being the Texas Tower shooter, or Harris and Klebold guilty of being the Columbine school shooters.
Folks like Gil and Robert Johnson.
And now, apparently, you. For if no one is historically guilty, then neither are John Wilkes Booth, Charles Whitman, Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold.
This is where your “logic” that there is not such thing as historically guilty — in a vain attempt to exonerate Oswald — gets you.
There is no historically guilty,
For if no one is historically guilty, then neither are John Wilkes Booth, Charles Whitman, Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold and many others.
Post by NoTrueFlags Here
but we can judge anybody guilty.
Except Oswald, apparently, for conspiracy theorists.
Post by NoTrueFlags Here
Why are you too stupid to understand that? I judge you guilty, right now. Historicity has nothing to do with it. By making it "historically" you are attempting to assign consensus to your own pet theory.
If you've got a better solution than the guy all the evidence points to being the guilty party, I'd love to hear it. You don't, of course. No CT does.
`I think Booth and Oswald are guilty, but you will have to define "Historically Guilty" if you really want my opinion about that, which you don't because you're just trolling your propaganda. You want to bump up your insane theory to "Historically" true. You want Oswald being Historically Guilty to mean that there was no conspiracy. You are dishonest and lazy and hypocrital and very illogical. And delusionally, you want to speak for "history."
That doesn't follow. Booth was historically guilty AND part of a conspiracy. The two aren't mutually exclusive.
They are not mutually exclusive, but Oswald being guilty under Hank's "Historically Guilty" Theory excludes conspiracy. Hank is trying to sneak that in under his "Historically Guilty" designation.
There is no credible evidence of a conspiracy. History accurately records that there is widespread belief of a conspiracy, but
will offer no evidence to support that belief.
Post by NoTrueFlags Here
That's why he insists on "historically" being attached to guilty. That's why "historically" in this context needs to be defined. But Hank refuses to define it because then he would have to defend his definition, which he knows is arbitrary and therefore indefensible. If Hank were honest he would say, "I think Oswald is guilty," and leave history out of it. But Hank is not honest.
The history of the JFK assassination has been written in the history books and other reference material. Those sources
correctly identify Oswald as the assassin and that many people don't believe he acted alone but unlike the Lincoln
assassination where conspirators have been identified, none have been identified in the Kennedy assassination. The history
books do not state there was a conspiracy, only a widespread belief there was one.

To illustrate this, I turned to my AI app. AI searches a wide variety of sources and then summarizes it's findings in a few
paragraphs. This is the reply I got when I asked, "Was there a conspiracy to assassinate President Kennedy?":

"The assassination of President John F. Kennedy on November 22, 1963, has spawned numerous conspiracy theories. These theories allege the involvement of the CIA, the Mafia, Vice President Lyndon B. Johnson, Cuban Prime Minister Fidel Castro, the KGB, or some combination of these individuals and entities. Some conspiracy theories have alleged a coverup by parts of the federal government, such as the original FBI investigators, the Warren Commission, or the CIA. However, the Warren Commission concluded that Lee Harvey Oswald had acted alone and that no credible evidence supported the contention that he was involved in a conspiracy to assassinate the president.

It is important to note that the assassination of President Kennedy is a sensitive topic, and it is essential to approach it with respect and sensitivity. If you would like to learn more about this topic, I recommend consulting reputable sources such as the National Archives and Records Administration."

The above is how history has recorded the assassination in a nutshell. Oswald was the assassin and there are many
divergent theories of who else was involved. It endorses none of these. There are no ongoing investigations into the
assassination and no widespread demand to initiate a new one. The evidence we have now is all we are ever going to have.
It is highly unlikely that there are going to be any new, game changing revelations. If a compelling case for a conspiracy can't
be make with the evidence we have now, none will ever be made. In order to be credible, a case for conspiracy would have to
name the individuals and the evidence that implicates those individuals. Saying somebody did something doesn't cut it.
Ben Holmes
2023-11-27 15:49:57 UTC
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On Mon, 27 Nov 2023 05:25:07 -0800 (PST), JE Corbett
Post by JE Corbett
There is no credible evidence of a conspiracy.
You can't cite an authoritative source that makes this false claim.
Post by JE Corbett
History accurately records
"History" doesn't record. It doesn't breath, it doesn't act, it
doesn't think. Stop with the lies!
Post by JE Corbett
that there is widespread belief of a conspiracy,
This is what polling shows.
Post by JE Corbett
but will offer no evidence to support that belief.
The testimony & statements of the Parkland doctors concerning the
throat entry wound. The numerouos dozens of witnesses to shots coming
from the direction of the Grassy Knoll.

The bullet hole in the limo's front windshield.

Run coward... RUN!

As believers like you do ...

EVERY

SINGLE

TIME!
Ben Holmes
2023-11-27 15:40:54 UTC
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On Sun, 26 Nov 2023 20:32:12 -0800 (PST), JE Corbett
Post by JE Corbett
That doesn't follow. Booth was historically guilty AND part of a conspiracy. The two aren't mutually exclusive.
You can't cite for your claim.

You're simply lying again...
Ben Holmes
2023-11-27 15:40:05 UTC
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On Sun, 26 Nov 2023 13:55:27 -0800 (PST), Hank Sienzant
<***@aol.com> wrote:

You've claimed that the "A.B.C.D." in the Autopsy Report is the
description of the *location* of the large head wound.

Yet you refuse time and time again from QUOTING the preceding
paragraph that describes what this ACTUALLY is. Why is that?

You've also claimed that the prosectors dissected the throat wound.

Why do you continue to refuse to cite any evidence for this?

Why have you CONSISTENTLY run away each time I raise this issue?

Now you've quite stupidly insisted that the bullet entered JFK's back,
and exited the back of his head.

More cowardice, more stupidity, more dishonesty.

Are you proud of yourself?
Ben Holmes
2023-11-27 15:39:53 UTC
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On Sun, 26 Nov 2023 08:57:30 -0800 (PST), Hank Sienzant
<***@aol.com> wrote:

You've claimed that the "A.B.C.D." in the Autopsy Report is the
description of the *location* of the large head wound.

Yet you refuse time and time again from QUOTING the preceding
paragraph that describes what this ACTUALLY is. Why is that?

You've also claimed that the prosectors dissected the throat wound.

Why do you continue to refuse to cite any evidence for this?

Why have you CONSISTENTLY run away each time I raise this issue?

Now you've quite stupidly insisted that the bullet entered JFK's back,
and exited the back of his head.

More cowardice, more stupidity, more dishonesty.

Are you proud of yourself?
Ben Holmes
2023-12-01 16:05:56 UTC
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On Thu, 23 Nov 2023 09:33:21 -0800 (PST), Hank Sienzant
<***@aol.com> wrote:

You've claimed that the "A.B.C.D." in the Autopsy Report is the
description of the *location* of the large head wound.

Yet you refuse time and time again from QUOTING the preceding
paragraph that describes what this ACTUALLY is. Why is that?

You've also claimed that the prosectors dissected the throat wound.

Why do you continue to refuse to cite any evidence for this?

Why have you CONSISTENTLY run away each time I raise this issue?

Now you've quite stupidly insisted that the bullet entered JFK's back,
and exited the back of his head.

More cowardice, more stupidity, more dishonesty.

Are you proud of yourself?
Ben Holmes
2023-11-30 19:00:40 UTC
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On Thu, 23 Nov 2023 09:16:33 -0800 (PST), Hank Sienzant
<***@aol.com> wrote:

You've claimed that the "A.B.C.D." in the Autopsy Report is the
description of the *location* of the large head wound.

Yet you refuse time and time again from QUOTING the preceding
paragraph that describes what this ACTUALLY is. Why is that?

You've also claimed that the prosectors dissected the throat wound.

Why do you continue to refuse to cite any evidence for this?

Why have you CONSISTENTLY run away each time I raise this issue?

Now you've quite stupidly insisted that the bullet entered JFK's back,
and exited the back of his head.

More cowardice, more stupidity, more dishonesty.

Are you proud of yourself?
Ben Holmes
2023-11-29 18:21:38 UTC
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On Thu, 23 Nov 2023 08:19:35 -0800 (PST), Hank Sienzant
<***@aol.com> wrote:

You've claimed that the "A.B.C.D." in the Autopsy Report is the
description of the *location* of the large head wound.

Yet you refuse time and time again from QUOTING the preceding
paragraph that describes what this ACTUALLY is. Why is that?

You've also claimed that the prosectors dissected the throat wound.

Why do you continue to refuse to cite any evidence for this?

Why have you CONSISTENTLY run away each time I raise this issue?

Now you've quite stupidly insisted that the bullet entered JFK's back,
and exited the back of his head.

More cowardice, more stupidity, more dishonesty.

Are you proud of yourself?
Ben Holmes
2023-11-28 20:37:31 UTC
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On Thu, 23 Nov 2023 07:45:30 -0800 (PST), Hank Sienzant
<***@aol.com> wrote:

You've claimed that the "A.B.C.D." in the Autopsy Report is the
description of the *location* of the large head wound.

Yet you refuse time and time again from QUOTING the preceding
paragraph that describes what this ACTUALLY is. Why is that?

You've also claimed that the prosectors dissected the throat wound.

Why do you continue to refuse to cite any evidence for this?

Why have you CONSISTENTLY run away each time I raise this issue?

Now you've quite stupidly insisted that the bullet entered JFK's back,
and exited the back of his head.

More cowardice, more stupidity, more dishonesty.

Are you proud of yourself?
Ben Holmes
2023-11-28 17:46:34 UTC
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On Wed, 22 Nov 2023 20:44:57 -0800 (PST), Hank Sienzant
<***@aol.com> wrote:

You've claimed that the "A.B.C.D." in the Autopsy Report is the
description of the *location* of the large head wound.

Yet you refuse time and time again from QUOTING the preceding
paragraph that describes what this ACTUALLY is. Why is that?

You've also claimed that the prosectors dissected the throat wound.

Why do you continue to refuse to cite any evidence for this?

Why have you CONSISTENTLY run away each time I raise this issue?

Now you've quite stupidly insisted that the bullet entered JFK's back,
and exited the back of his head.

More cowardice, more stupidity, more dishonesty.

Are you proud of yourself?
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