Dr Truth
2004-12-04 07:20:16 UTC
So that lurkers will know...John Simkin of the "educational forum" for
children was booted off of the JFKResearch forum, a highly credible forum,
and he now has his cronies, Wim Dankbaar, a known fabricator of the truth
(www.bobvernon.com/lie.htm), Judyth Baker (The infamous PONTCHARTAIN
POONTANG), Ozzies' self professed "chickie on the side", Tosh Plumlee (the
man who has changed his story a MINIMUM of 4 times in 24 years), Nancy
Eldreth (the lady who said that Arlen Spector paid to have her daughter
raped) and others have now launched an attack against me. So that you can
clearly understand what a fabricator Plumlee is, my responses to his lastest
assinine allegations are behind my initials BV:
Posted by Tosh Plumlee:
REPLY TO JOHN SIMKIN"S POST "BOB VERNON"
Reference to Bob Vernon and his previous statements:
I think the following should be considered as to how his story changes
over time. He was under oath at the time of this Texas Testimony:
BV: I appeared before the ARRB on November 18, 1994 in Dallas, Texas. I
was invited to appear by Dr. Kermit Hall, a distinguished memeber of ARRB.
I was not sworn in nor was anyone else that appeared. The main purpose of
ARRB was to seek DOCUMENTS that have never been uncovered:
To following is taken from sworn testimony of Robert G Vernon to a
special
committee in Dallas, Texas, 1994. This was sworn to by Mr. Vernon
under
the penalty of perjury.
BV: My testimony was because I was invited, I was not under oath nor was
anyone else who Tesified. Anyone that says we were is a liar.
"....The second participant discovered by Truth is male Caucasian
Robert
Tosh Plumlee, a CIA pilot. Mr. Plumlee has piloted and co-piloted
clandestine CIA flights for over 31 years. He testified before the
Church
Committee in the 1970s and his CIA escapades have been well chronicled
in
magazine articles, books and congressional reports.
Mr. Plumlee testified before the Senate Foreign Relations Committee on
August 2nd, 1990, and again in May of 1991. His testimony under oath
has
been classified as Top Secret. Senator John Kerry served as Chairman
of
the Senate Committee, John Wyner, I believe his name is, and Dick
McCall,
staff aides to Senator Kerry, questioned Mr. Plumlee in relation to
the
Contra resupply network behind closed doors.
BV: I have sent Sen. Kerry a letter for him to verify this. He has not
responded as of this post.
Mr. Plumlee testified to the U.S. Senate Committee and to Truth Truth
Truth, Incorporated, that on the morning of November 22nd, 1963, he
was a
co-pilot on a top secret flight supported by the CIA. Mr. Plumlee's
flight
left Florida on November 21, 1963, and stopped in New Orleans and
Houston
before heading into Dallas, Texas, during the early morning hours of
November 22nd, 1963.
Mr. Plumlee testified that Philippe or Philippo Socko, alias John
Roselli,
a known Mafia/CIA double operative was onboard the plane to Dallas.
Mr.
Plumlee stated that Mr. Roselli departed the plane at Dallas Garland
Airport shortly after 6:30 a.m. on the morning of November 22nd, 1963.
[Mr. Vernon has said recently Mr. Plumlee said at the 1992 filmimg
that
Jonh Rosellie got off at Red Bird Airport.] [At the time of the
filming
Mr. Plumlee stopped the tape corrected his mis-spoken Red Bird Airport
mistake and continued the interview]
BV: This is a lie by Plumlee. The camera crew and also Mr. Barry Adelman
of dick clark productions was present. Mr. Plumlee did NOT stop the taping
session nor did he "missspeak" as he said he did. The session was stopped
by Joe West, a certified legal investigator and former CIA case officer John
Stockwell because Plumlee had previously told both men that he flew Charles
Nicoletti AND John Rosselli into Dallas on nthe morning of 11/22/63 WHICH I
DID NOT KNOW UNTIL 2003 WHEN I FOUND AN OLD TAPE OF A PHONE CALL BETWEEN
WEST AND PLUMLEE in which Plumlee told West that Nicoletti was on the plane
he flew in.
Mr. Plumlee testified that he was informed that the flight was an
abort
mission, and that their assignment was to stop the assassination
attempt
on Kennedy's life.
Mr. Plumlee testified that he was told this by his superior officers,
and
he has identified those officers. Mr. Plumlee testified that he was
present in Dealey Plaza on the South Knoll at the time of the
assassination.
In the spring of 1992, the late George West, the founder of Truth
Truth
Truth received a call from Beaumont, Texas, FBI agent Zack Shelton.
Agent
Shelton requested an off-the-record meeting with Mr. West at a
location
between Houston and Beaumont. Agent Shelton and private investigator
West
also had a second meeting at which a noted Houston criminal attorney,
Don
Irving, was present....".
The complete sworn statement can be found at the following website.
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/arrb/index67.htm
The above should be compared to the following statement made by Mr.
Vernon
a few weeks ago and posted on this forum for all to see:
"....the interview conducted in 1992. Plumlee lied so bad and was
shaking
from the DT's at 9 AM in the morning we stopped the interview to let
the
guy calm down.
We stopped it when we caught him in his first lie of the day.
Plumlee has lied so much since 92 it's not even funny. You have no
clue.
No clue at all....".
BV: This false statement was originally posted by some guy named Carroll
from Chico California and Mr. Carroll has since apologized to me for
misundertanding my statement and here is his apology:
----- Original Message -----
From: Timothy Carroll
To: Bob Vernon
Sent: Friday, December 03, 2004 10:51 AM
Subject: Re: Please stop lying Mr. Carroll PLEASE
Bob Vernon:
You are correct; I missed the "goodbye" part. Thank you. I accept your
correction that you "discovered it in 2003." If I misunderstood your
meaning about having claimed to know that Tosh was lying in 1992, then I
apologize to you.
Goodbye to you,
Tim Carroll
Mr. Vernon has now admitted that the Plumlee story was thought by him,
at
the time of the interview of 1992, to be a fraud from the very
beginning.
This was even before he continued to promoted Plumlee's story for over
ten
years as being truthful. Mr Vernon continued to promoted Plumlee's
story
and sold it, along with the Files story as factual. Mr Vernon
personally
certified the Plumlee story as trueful and sold it, more than once,
for a
large sum of money. Mr. Vernon's motivation was greed and money and
not
truth as he claimed. Mr. Vernon wove Mr. Plumlee's testimoney into the
James Files story and promoted both as fact and now admits that he
thought, at the time, both, Files and Pllumlee were frauds and hoxas.
Mr
Plumlee many times over the years is on the record as NOT supporting
the
Files story.
BV:
Again, here is how Tosh lies:
----- Original Message -----
From: Timothy Carroll
To: Bob Vernon
Sent: Friday, December 03, 2004 10:51 AM
Subject: Re: Please stop lying Mr. Carroll PLEASE
Bob Vernon:
You are correct; I missed the "goodbye" part. Thank you. I accept your
correction that you "discovered it in 2003." If I misunderstood your
meaning about having claimed to know that Tosh was lying in 1992, then I
apologize to you.
Goodbye to you,
Tim Carroll
By Mr. Vernons own admission, from the very beginning he considered
Plumlee to be lying at the time of the interview in 1992. If this is
true,
then every dollar Mr. Vernon has made promoting and selling the
Plumlee/Files story was fraudulently obtained by him. The above are
his
own words, with his admission. Mr. Vernon also sent many emails to
various
researchers with the above statements incorperate therein.
BV: Once again, here is how Tosh lies:
----- Original Message -----
From: Timothy Carroll
To: Bob Vernon
Sent: Friday, December 03, 2004 10:51 AM
Subject: Re: Please stop lying Mr. Carroll PLEASE
Bob Vernon:
You are correct; I missed the "goodbye" part. Thank you. I accept your
correction that you "discovered it in 2003." If I misunderstood your
meaning about having claimed to know that Tosh was lying in 1992, then I
apologize to you.
Goodbye to you,
Tim Carroll
"...
[B]Plumlee lied so bad and was shaking from the DT's at 9 AM in the
morning we stopped the interview to let the guy calm down.
We stopped it when we caught him in his first lie of the day.
Plumlee has lied so much since 92 it's not even funny. You have no
clue.
No clue [/B] [Yet Mr. Vernon supported Mr. Plumlee's story for over
ten
years and received money for his efforts] ...".
Once again Tosh lies:
----- Original Message -----
From: Timothy Carroll
To: Bob Vernon
Sent: Friday, December 03, 2004 10:51 AM
Subject: Re: Please stop lying Mr. Carroll PLEASE
Bob Vernon:
You are correct; I missed the "goodbye" part. Thank you. I accept your
correction that you "discovered it in 2003." If I misunderstood your
meaning about having claimed to know that Tosh was lying in 1992, then I
apologize to you.
Goodbye to you,
Tim Carroll
It is now evident, by the following document Mr. Vernon perjured
himself
to the Texas authorities in 1994.
BV: I was not under oath nor was anyone else that appeared. I told the
ARRB what we knew as of that date which of course, I now know was not
factual based on the changes Files and Plumlee have both made to their
stories through the years.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Dallas, Texas -- November 18, 1994 Hearing
MR. MARWELL: I understand that Karen Clem is not here today. I would
ask
Mr. Robert Vernon if he would like to give us a statement at this
time.
MR. VERNON: Thank you very much, Mr. Marwell. I appreciate it.
There was one other gentleman who I don't believe has arrived yet,
when
you had mentioned to me on the phone yesterday it may be after lunch,
I
told him to take his time. He is not here, so you will see his name
reflected in this transcription.
I appreciate the opportunity to appear before you. Mr. Chairman and
distinguished members of the Board, my name is Robert G. Vernon. The
gentleman who is supposed to be with me now is John R. Stockwell, he
is
late. I am a television producer, and Mr. Stockwell is a former CIA
case
officer. He is a noted author and screenwriter.
We are here representing, Truth Truth Truth, Incorporated, which is a
nonprofit Texas corporation that was founded in 1989. Since their
formation, Truth Truth Truth had conducted a private unbiased
investigation into the death of John F. Kennedy. Mr. Stockwell and I
were
hired in early 1992 to write a, produce a television program and book
highlighting the findings of Truth Truth Truth. Our findings are
scheduled
to be released in the immediate future in TV broadcast, home video, CD
ROM
and book form.
The first participant in the JFK assassination discovered by Truth
Truth
Truth is a male African-American named Q.D. Urdy. Mr. Urdy received
immunity from the United States Department of Justice in 1992 in
exchange
for his testimony. Mr. Urdy testified that he was ordered by Jack Ruby
to
acquire high-powered rifles with scopes in the early fall of 1963. Mr.
Urdy stated that he then stole three rifles from a ranch in West
Texas.
The theft of these rifles has been verified by the ranch owners.
Retired Dallas Police Officer Tom Tilson testified that he and his
daughter observed Jack Ruby and three men dressed in suits, ties and
hats
taking target practice with rifles at a Dallas-Fort Worth firing range
approximately five to seven days prior to the assassination.
No other part of Mr. Urdy's lengthy testimony has been substantiated,
although he does claim to have further information and knowledge of
the
events surrounding the assassination, both before and after the fact.
The second participant discovered by Truth is male Caucasian Robert
Tosh
Plumlee, a CIA pilot. Mr. Plumlee has piloted and co-piloted
clandestine
CIA flights for over 31 years. He testified before the Church
Committee in
the 1970s and his CIA escapades have been well chronicled in magazine
articles, books and congressional reports.
Mr. Plumlee testified before the Senate Foreign Relations Committee on
August 2nd, 1990, and again in May of 1991. His testimony under oath
has
been classified as Top Secret. Senator John Kerry served as Chairman
of
the Senate Committee, John Wyner, I believe his name is, and Dick
McCall,
staff aides to Senator Kerry, questioned Mr. Plumlee in relation to
the
Contra resupply network behind closed doors.
Mr. Plumlee testified to the U.S. Senate Committee and to Truth Truth
Truth, Incorporated, that on the morning of November 22nd, 1963, he
was a
co-pilot on a top secret flight supported by the CIA. Mr. Plumlee's
flight
left Florida on November 21, 1963, and stopped in New Orleans and
Houston
before heading into Dallas, Texas, during the early morning hours of
November 22nd, 1963.
Mr. Plumlee testified that Philippe or Philippo Socko, alias John
Roselli,
a known Mafia/CIA double operative was onboard the plane to Dallas.
Mr.
Plumlee stated that Mr. Roselli departed the plane at Dallas Garland
Airport shortly after 6:30 a.m. on the morning of November 22nd, 1963.
Mr.
Plumlee testified that he was informed that the flight was an abort
mission, and that their assignment was to stop the assassination
attempt
on Kennedy's life.
NOTE: This information was based on the fact that Plumlee told me AFTER the
interview that Roselli got off at Garland when in fact he said in the
interview Roselli got off at Redbird. Note also that Plumlee still spells
Rosselli as ROSELLIE in many of his posts which is NOT how the man's name
was spelled.
Mr. Plumlee testified that he was told this by his superior officers,
and
he has identified those officers. Mr. Plumlee testified that he was
present in Dealey Plaza on the South Knoll at the time of the
assassination.
In the spring of 1992, the late George West, the founder of Truth
Truth
Truth received a call from Beaumont, Texas, FBI agent Zack Shelton.
Agent
Shelton requested an off-the-record meeting with Mr. West at a
location
between Houston and Beaumont. Agent Shelton and private investigator
West
also had a second meeting at which a noted Houston criminal attorney,
Don
Irving, was present.
During the course of these meetings, Agent Shelton, a former member of
the
organized crime task force in Chicago, provided Mr. West and attorney
Irving with a lead on James E. Files, alias James E. Sutton, a male
Caucasian from Chicago currently incarcerated in the Stateville
Correctional Center in Joliet, Illinois.
Mr. Files is serving a 50-year term for the attempted murder of two
police
officers. His FBI rap sheet indicates a life filled with violent
crimes.
Agent Shelton informed investigator West and attorney Irving that the
FBI
had previously gathered information from an informant that Mr. Files
has
knowledge of the events that occurred in Dealey Plaza on November
22nd,
1963.
Agent Shelton verified that Mr. Files was an associate and
driver/bodyguard for one Charles Nicoletti, a known Mafia hitman from
Chicago. Agent Shelton further stated that he had long suspected that
Chicago mob members Sam Giancana, Charles Nicoletti and John Roselli
were
involved in the assassination of John F. Kennedy, but that he had no
hard
evidence to support his beliefs.
On August the 16th and 17th, 1992, after an extensive search to locate
the
prisoner, investigator West spent several hours each day questioning
James
E. Files. During the August 17th, 1992, meeting, Mr. Files confessed
that
he was involved in the JFK assassination. Mr. Files confessed that he
was
present in Dealey Plaza and that Charles Nicoletti and John Roselli
were
also present in Dealey Plaza.
Mr. Files further confessed that he had been recruited and worked for
the
CIA in the early 1960s, later becoming a driver for Charles Nicoletti
of
the Chicago Mafia.
Investigator West died from complications following open heart surgery
in
February of 1993 after filing a legal action to exhume the body of
John F.
Kennedy which was filed in the 160th Judicial District in Dallas in
the
fall of 1992.
On May 3rd, 1993, I visited James E. Files for the first time. Present
with me was Mr. Barry Adelman, Vice President in charge of Television
Development for Dick Clark Productions in Burbank, California. During
our
hour visit, James E. Files confessed that he fired the fatal last shot
into the right front temple of John F. Kennedy from a firing position
located behind the wooden stockade fence on the infamous Grassy Knoll.
Mr. Files confessed that he fired a .222 shell at the President and
that
he left the empty casing on top of the fence. Mr. Files said that he
had
bitten down on the casing for that was a trait of his. He always
placed
the spent shells in his mouth after a job, as he called it. Files
testified that his teeth marks were in the casing that he left behind
in
Dealey Plaza.
Upon returning to Texas, we contacted a Mr. John Rodamacher, who I
might
point out is here today, of the Dallas area after we found news
clippings
about him in the files of Truth Truth Truth, Incorporated.
In 1987, Mr. Rodamacher and his stepson were enjoying a father and son
outing when they discovered a .222 casing buried in Dealey Plaza
approximately four to six feet in front of the wooden stockade fence.
The
casing contained dents.
Dr. Paul Stimpson of the University of Texas at Houston, a noted
forensic
odontologist who was recommended to us by the Houston Police
Department
examined the .222 casing in his lab. Dr. Stimpson issued a written
medical
legal opinion which states that the dents in the casing are teeth
marks.
We shared the confession of James E. Files with criminal attorney Don
Irving, who agreed to visit Files in an effort to cross-examine Mr.
Files
to ascertain his validity. In June of 1993, Attorney Irving, a veteran
of
over 25 years of high profile criminal cases, spent almost seven hours
with James E. Files at the Joliet Prison. Mr. Irving reported that he
found no inconsistencies in Mr. Files confession.
Mr. Irving issued a 17-page memo on his cross-examination of James E.
Files and that memo has been included in your information packet for
your
confidential review.
Following his visit with Mr. Files, Attorney Irving negotiated a deal
with
the FBI, the United States Department of Justice, to provide Mr. Files
with immunity in order that his testimony could be heard by a special
grand jury that was to be called following a nonofficial visit with
Mr.
Files at which Attorney Irving and the FBI were to be present.
On August 3rd, 1993, Attorney Irving informed us that he had received
word
that the United States Attorney in Chicago had reviewed and approved
the
immunity agreement for James E. Files. Mr. Irving further stated that
the
government was to fly him and an FBI agent to the prison for the
nonofficial visit with Mr. Files.
On August 9th, 1993, two Chicago FBI agents made an unannounced visit
to
Mr. Files without the knowledge or consent of Attorney Irving or the
prison. Mr. Files informed Attorney Irving that he was asked to agree
that
Lee Harvey Oswald was the lone assassin of John F. Kennedy.
Shortly there after, Beaumont Agent Shelton was threatened with the
loss
of his FBI job and government pension. This fact was verified by both
Attorney Irving and newly elected Texas District Judge Charles Carver
of
Beaumont, Texas. Agent Shelton has failed to respond to our numerous
phone
calls and the FBI has twice refused to allow me to interview Agent
Shelton
on camera.
Following the discovery of James E. Files, Truth Truth Truth,
Incorporated, and Dick Clark Productions entered into a production
agreement for a special two-hour television program. Our program was
sold
to a major USA television network and was scheduled to be broadcast on
May
18th, 1994. Approximately three weeks before the broadcast, a
conservative
conspiracy researcher author who has made a full career out of denying
any
CIA involvement in the JFK assassination and who blames the
assassination
fully on the KGB and Oswald vigorously challenged the project, and the
program was placed on hold by the network.
It is the intent of Truth Truth Truth, Incorporated, to provide the
Assassination Records Review Board with a complete and accurate
accounting
of the entire investigation. The accounting will include all evidence
we
have gathered. We would like to call your special attention to the
medical
legal report issued by Dr. Randolph Robertson a noted radiologist from
Nashville, Tennessee, it is included in your packet in full with Dr.
Robertson's permission.
Dr. Robertson was granted rare access to the autopsy X-rays and photos
of
JFK which are in the National Archives in Washington, D.C. During his
examination of the skull pictures and X-rays of the President, Dr.
Robertson discovered a second bullet wound in the skull. Dr.
Robertson's
medical legal opinion states that at least one more assassin of
President
Kennedy remains to be identified.
Dr. Robertson further states that the second wound in the skull is
consistent with a shot fired from the right front Grassy Knoll area.
We ask that the Board review our evidence and Dr. Robertson's report,
investigate our findings and release your official opinion of our
findings
in your final report to the President of the United States and the
American public at the end of your term as is designated in your
mandate
through which your Board was formed.
In closing, we ask that you consider recommending to the President and
to
the American people [B]that a special grand jury be called to hear the
testimony of Q.D. Urdy and Robert Tosh Plumlee and most certainly
James E.
Files. This was the original plan as per the understanding between
Truth
Truth Truth, Incorporated, Attorney Don Irving, and the United States
Department of Justice according to Attorney Irving. [/B] [This is an
interesting statement to make in view Mr. Vernon thought at the time
of
the 1992 interview that Mr. Plumlee was a liar]
I thank you, and I would be happy to answer any questions that you
might
have.
CHAIRMAN TUNHEIM: Thank you, Mr. Vernon.
Questions?
[No response.]
CHAIRMAN TUNHEIM: We appreciate all the materials that you have
provided.
MR. VERNON: It is rather lengthy and there is quite a bit more, and
anything else you would like to see, have Mr. Marwell contact me.
There is
also quite a bit of video that I think you would be extremely
interested
in.
DR. HALL: Mr. Vernon, in the course of carrying out production and
investigation here have you come across or has your attention been
brought
to any records created by any public officials that are held in the
hands
of those officials that would otherwise be considered to the public
documents?
MR. VERNON: There are quite a few records that we would be happy to
give
you, our copies. Some of ours are copies, some of ours are originals.
I
was glad to see the gentleman from the -- I believe it was Texas Tech
earlier with the Waggoner Carr stuff. We had access to some of that
earlier Waggoner Carr stuff, and that was very interesting. We would
be
glad to give you what we have there, and there are lots of
transcriptions
and there are several other documents. I don't know which you are
aware
of, but we will be glad to give you them, sir.
DR. HALL: Thank you.
MR. VERNON: Thank you, sir.
CHAIRMAN TUNHEIM: Thank you, Mr. Vernon, we appreciate your being here
today.
END OF MR VERNON'S STATEMENT TO COMMITTEE
This post has been edited by William Plumlee: Today, 02:13 AM
Tosh once again tries to say that it was not him who lied. He has lied so
much he doesn't even know he lied anymore.
Once again review the four 4 different stories he has told since 1990 and
judge for yourself:
Here: http://www.bobvernon.com/Tosh.htm
ta ta
children was booted off of the JFKResearch forum, a highly credible forum,
and he now has his cronies, Wim Dankbaar, a known fabricator of the truth
(www.bobvernon.com/lie.htm), Judyth Baker (The infamous PONTCHARTAIN
POONTANG), Ozzies' self professed "chickie on the side", Tosh Plumlee (the
man who has changed his story a MINIMUM of 4 times in 24 years), Nancy
Eldreth (the lady who said that Arlen Spector paid to have her daughter
raped) and others have now launched an attack against me. So that you can
clearly understand what a fabricator Plumlee is, my responses to his lastest
assinine allegations are behind my initials BV:
Posted by Tosh Plumlee:
REPLY TO JOHN SIMKIN"S POST "BOB VERNON"
Reference to Bob Vernon and his previous statements:
I think the following should be considered as to how his story changes
over time. He was under oath at the time of this Texas Testimony:
BV: I appeared before the ARRB on November 18, 1994 in Dallas, Texas. I
was invited to appear by Dr. Kermit Hall, a distinguished memeber of ARRB.
I was not sworn in nor was anyone else that appeared. The main purpose of
ARRB was to seek DOCUMENTS that have never been uncovered:
To following is taken from sworn testimony of Robert G Vernon to a
special
committee in Dallas, Texas, 1994. This was sworn to by Mr. Vernon
under
the penalty of perjury.
BV: My testimony was because I was invited, I was not under oath nor was
anyone else who Tesified. Anyone that says we were is a liar.
"....The second participant discovered by Truth is male Caucasian
Robert
Tosh Plumlee, a CIA pilot. Mr. Plumlee has piloted and co-piloted
clandestine CIA flights for over 31 years. He testified before the
Church
Committee in the 1970s and his CIA escapades have been well chronicled
in
magazine articles, books and congressional reports.
Mr. Plumlee testified before the Senate Foreign Relations Committee on
August 2nd, 1990, and again in May of 1991. His testimony under oath
has
been classified as Top Secret. Senator John Kerry served as Chairman
of
the Senate Committee, John Wyner, I believe his name is, and Dick
McCall,
staff aides to Senator Kerry, questioned Mr. Plumlee in relation to
the
Contra resupply network behind closed doors.
BV: I have sent Sen. Kerry a letter for him to verify this. He has not
responded as of this post.
Mr. Plumlee testified to the U.S. Senate Committee and to Truth Truth
Truth, Incorporated, that on the morning of November 22nd, 1963, he
was a
co-pilot on a top secret flight supported by the CIA. Mr. Plumlee's
flight
left Florida on November 21, 1963, and stopped in New Orleans and
Houston
before heading into Dallas, Texas, during the early morning hours of
November 22nd, 1963.
Mr. Plumlee testified that Philippe or Philippo Socko, alias John
Roselli,
a known Mafia/CIA double operative was onboard the plane to Dallas.
Mr.
Plumlee stated that Mr. Roselli departed the plane at Dallas Garland
Airport shortly after 6:30 a.m. on the morning of November 22nd, 1963.
[Mr. Vernon has said recently Mr. Plumlee said at the 1992 filmimg
that
Jonh Rosellie got off at Red Bird Airport.] [At the time of the
filming
Mr. Plumlee stopped the tape corrected his mis-spoken Red Bird Airport
mistake and continued the interview]
BV: This is a lie by Plumlee. The camera crew and also Mr. Barry Adelman
of dick clark productions was present. Mr. Plumlee did NOT stop the taping
session nor did he "missspeak" as he said he did. The session was stopped
by Joe West, a certified legal investigator and former CIA case officer John
Stockwell because Plumlee had previously told both men that he flew Charles
Nicoletti AND John Rosselli into Dallas on nthe morning of 11/22/63 WHICH I
DID NOT KNOW UNTIL 2003 WHEN I FOUND AN OLD TAPE OF A PHONE CALL BETWEEN
WEST AND PLUMLEE in which Plumlee told West that Nicoletti was on the plane
he flew in.
Mr. Plumlee testified that he was informed that the flight was an
abort
mission, and that their assignment was to stop the assassination
attempt
on Kennedy's life.
Mr. Plumlee testified that he was told this by his superior officers,
and
he has identified those officers. Mr. Plumlee testified that he was
present in Dealey Plaza on the South Knoll at the time of the
assassination.
In the spring of 1992, the late George West, the founder of Truth
Truth
Truth received a call from Beaumont, Texas, FBI agent Zack Shelton.
Agent
Shelton requested an off-the-record meeting with Mr. West at a
location
between Houston and Beaumont. Agent Shelton and private investigator
West
also had a second meeting at which a noted Houston criminal attorney,
Don
Irving, was present....".
The complete sworn statement can be found at the following website.
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/arrb/index67.htm
The above should be compared to the following statement made by Mr.
Vernon
a few weeks ago and posted on this forum for all to see:
"....the interview conducted in 1992. Plumlee lied so bad and was
shaking
from the DT's at 9 AM in the morning we stopped the interview to let
the
guy calm down.
We stopped it when we caught him in his first lie of the day.
Plumlee has lied so much since 92 it's not even funny. You have no
clue.
No clue at all....".
BV: This false statement was originally posted by some guy named Carroll
from Chico California and Mr. Carroll has since apologized to me for
misundertanding my statement and here is his apology:
----- Original Message -----
From: Timothy Carroll
To: Bob Vernon
Sent: Friday, December 03, 2004 10:51 AM
Subject: Re: Please stop lying Mr. Carroll PLEASE
Bob Vernon:
You are correct; I missed the "goodbye" part. Thank you. I accept your
correction that you "discovered it in 2003." If I misunderstood your
meaning about having claimed to know that Tosh was lying in 1992, then I
apologize to you.
Goodbye to you,
Tim Carroll
Mr. Vernon has now admitted that the Plumlee story was thought by him,
at
the time of the interview of 1992, to be a fraud from the very
beginning.
This was even before he continued to promoted Plumlee's story for over
ten
years as being truthful. Mr Vernon continued to promoted Plumlee's
story
and sold it, along with the Files story as factual. Mr Vernon
personally
certified the Plumlee story as trueful and sold it, more than once,
for a
large sum of money. Mr. Vernon's motivation was greed and money and
not
truth as he claimed. Mr. Vernon wove Mr. Plumlee's testimoney into the
James Files story and promoted both as fact and now admits that he
thought, at the time, both, Files and Pllumlee were frauds and hoxas.
Mr
Plumlee many times over the years is on the record as NOT supporting
the
Files story.
BV:
Again, here is how Tosh lies:
----- Original Message -----
From: Timothy Carroll
To: Bob Vernon
Sent: Friday, December 03, 2004 10:51 AM
Subject: Re: Please stop lying Mr. Carroll PLEASE
Bob Vernon:
You are correct; I missed the "goodbye" part. Thank you. I accept your
correction that you "discovered it in 2003." If I misunderstood your
meaning about having claimed to know that Tosh was lying in 1992, then I
apologize to you.
Goodbye to you,
Tim Carroll
By Mr. Vernons own admission, from the very beginning he considered
Plumlee to be lying at the time of the interview in 1992. If this is
true,
then every dollar Mr. Vernon has made promoting and selling the
Plumlee/Files story was fraudulently obtained by him. The above are
his
own words, with his admission. Mr. Vernon also sent many emails to
various
researchers with the above statements incorperate therein.
BV: Once again, here is how Tosh lies:
----- Original Message -----
From: Timothy Carroll
To: Bob Vernon
Sent: Friday, December 03, 2004 10:51 AM
Subject: Re: Please stop lying Mr. Carroll PLEASE
Bob Vernon:
You are correct; I missed the "goodbye" part. Thank you. I accept your
correction that you "discovered it in 2003." If I misunderstood your
meaning about having claimed to know that Tosh was lying in 1992, then I
apologize to you.
Goodbye to you,
Tim Carroll
"...
[B]Plumlee lied so bad and was shaking from the DT's at 9 AM in the
morning we stopped the interview to let the guy calm down.
We stopped it when we caught him in his first lie of the day.
Plumlee has lied so much since 92 it's not even funny. You have no
clue.
No clue [/B] [Yet Mr. Vernon supported Mr. Plumlee's story for over
ten
years and received money for his efforts] ...".
Once again Tosh lies:
----- Original Message -----
From: Timothy Carroll
To: Bob Vernon
Sent: Friday, December 03, 2004 10:51 AM
Subject: Re: Please stop lying Mr. Carroll PLEASE
Bob Vernon:
You are correct; I missed the "goodbye" part. Thank you. I accept your
correction that you "discovered it in 2003." If I misunderstood your
meaning about having claimed to know that Tosh was lying in 1992, then I
apologize to you.
Goodbye to you,
Tim Carroll
It is now evident, by the following document Mr. Vernon perjured
himself
to the Texas authorities in 1994.
BV: I was not under oath nor was anyone else that appeared. I told the
ARRB what we knew as of that date which of course, I now know was not
factual based on the changes Files and Plumlee have both made to their
stories through the years.
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Dallas, Texas -- November 18, 1994 Hearing
MR. MARWELL: I understand that Karen Clem is not here today. I would
ask
Mr. Robert Vernon if he would like to give us a statement at this
time.
MR. VERNON: Thank you very much, Mr. Marwell. I appreciate it.
There was one other gentleman who I don't believe has arrived yet,
when
you had mentioned to me on the phone yesterday it may be after lunch,
I
told him to take his time. He is not here, so you will see his name
reflected in this transcription.
I appreciate the opportunity to appear before you. Mr. Chairman and
distinguished members of the Board, my name is Robert G. Vernon. The
gentleman who is supposed to be with me now is John R. Stockwell, he
is
late. I am a television producer, and Mr. Stockwell is a former CIA
case
officer. He is a noted author and screenwriter.
We are here representing, Truth Truth Truth, Incorporated, which is a
nonprofit Texas corporation that was founded in 1989. Since their
formation, Truth Truth Truth had conducted a private unbiased
investigation into the death of John F. Kennedy. Mr. Stockwell and I
were
hired in early 1992 to write a, produce a television program and book
highlighting the findings of Truth Truth Truth. Our findings are
scheduled
to be released in the immediate future in TV broadcast, home video, CD
ROM
and book form.
The first participant in the JFK assassination discovered by Truth
Truth
Truth is a male African-American named Q.D. Urdy. Mr. Urdy received
immunity from the United States Department of Justice in 1992 in
exchange
for his testimony. Mr. Urdy testified that he was ordered by Jack Ruby
to
acquire high-powered rifles with scopes in the early fall of 1963. Mr.
Urdy stated that he then stole three rifles from a ranch in West
Texas.
The theft of these rifles has been verified by the ranch owners.
Retired Dallas Police Officer Tom Tilson testified that he and his
daughter observed Jack Ruby and three men dressed in suits, ties and
hats
taking target practice with rifles at a Dallas-Fort Worth firing range
approximately five to seven days prior to the assassination.
No other part of Mr. Urdy's lengthy testimony has been substantiated,
although he does claim to have further information and knowledge of
the
events surrounding the assassination, both before and after the fact.
The second participant discovered by Truth is male Caucasian Robert
Tosh
Plumlee, a CIA pilot. Mr. Plumlee has piloted and co-piloted
clandestine
CIA flights for over 31 years. He testified before the Church
Committee in
the 1970s and his CIA escapades have been well chronicled in magazine
articles, books and congressional reports.
Mr. Plumlee testified before the Senate Foreign Relations Committee on
August 2nd, 1990, and again in May of 1991. His testimony under oath
has
been classified as Top Secret. Senator John Kerry served as Chairman
of
the Senate Committee, John Wyner, I believe his name is, and Dick
McCall,
staff aides to Senator Kerry, questioned Mr. Plumlee in relation to
the
Contra resupply network behind closed doors.
Mr. Plumlee testified to the U.S. Senate Committee and to Truth Truth
Truth, Incorporated, that on the morning of November 22nd, 1963, he
was a
co-pilot on a top secret flight supported by the CIA. Mr. Plumlee's
flight
left Florida on November 21, 1963, and stopped in New Orleans and
Houston
before heading into Dallas, Texas, during the early morning hours of
November 22nd, 1963.
Mr. Plumlee testified that Philippe or Philippo Socko, alias John
Roselli,
a known Mafia/CIA double operative was onboard the plane to Dallas.
Mr.
Plumlee stated that Mr. Roselli departed the plane at Dallas Garland
Airport shortly after 6:30 a.m. on the morning of November 22nd, 1963.
Mr.
Plumlee testified that he was informed that the flight was an abort
mission, and that their assignment was to stop the assassination
attempt
on Kennedy's life.
NOTE: This information was based on the fact that Plumlee told me AFTER the
interview that Roselli got off at Garland when in fact he said in the
interview Roselli got off at Redbird. Note also that Plumlee still spells
Rosselli as ROSELLIE in many of his posts which is NOT how the man's name
was spelled.
Mr. Plumlee testified that he was told this by his superior officers,
and
he has identified those officers. Mr. Plumlee testified that he was
present in Dealey Plaza on the South Knoll at the time of the
assassination.
In the spring of 1992, the late George West, the founder of Truth
Truth
Truth received a call from Beaumont, Texas, FBI agent Zack Shelton.
Agent
Shelton requested an off-the-record meeting with Mr. West at a
location
between Houston and Beaumont. Agent Shelton and private investigator
West
also had a second meeting at which a noted Houston criminal attorney,
Don
Irving, was present.
During the course of these meetings, Agent Shelton, a former member of
the
organized crime task force in Chicago, provided Mr. West and attorney
Irving with a lead on James E. Files, alias James E. Sutton, a male
Caucasian from Chicago currently incarcerated in the Stateville
Correctional Center in Joliet, Illinois.
Mr. Files is serving a 50-year term for the attempted murder of two
police
officers. His FBI rap sheet indicates a life filled with violent
crimes.
Agent Shelton informed investigator West and attorney Irving that the
FBI
had previously gathered information from an informant that Mr. Files
has
knowledge of the events that occurred in Dealey Plaza on November
22nd,
1963.
Agent Shelton verified that Mr. Files was an associate and
driver/bodyguard for one Charles Nicoletti, a known Mafia hitman from
Chicago. Agent Shelton further stated that he had long suspected that
Chicago mob members Sam Giancana, Charles Nicoletti and John Roselli
were
involved in the assassination of John F. Kennedy, but that he had no
hard
evidence to support his beliefs.
On August the 16th and 17th, 1992, after an extensive search to locate
the
prisoner, investigator West spent several hours each day questioning
James
E. Files. During the August 17th, 1992, meeting, Mr. Files confessed
that
he was involved in the JFK assassination. Mr. Files confessed that he
was
present in Dealey Plaza and that Charles Nicoletti and John Roselli
were
also present in Dealey Plaza.
Mr. Files further confessed that he had been recruited and worked for
the
CIA in the early 1960s, later becoming a driver for Charles Nicoletti
of
the Chicago Mafia.
Investigator West died from complications following open heart surgery
in
February of 1993 after filing a legal action to exhume the body of
John F.
Kennedy which was filed in the 160th Judicial District in Dallas in
the
fall of 1992.
On May 3rd, 1993, I visited James E. Files for the first time. Present
with me was Mr. Barry Adelman, Vice President in charge of Television
Development for Dick Clark Productions in Burbank, California. During
our
hour visit, James E. Files confessed that he fired the fatal last shot
into the right front temple of John F. Kennedy from a firing position
located behind the wooden stockade fence on the infamous Grassy Knoll.
Mr. Files confessed that he fired a .222 shell at the President and
that
he left the empty casing on top of the fence. Mr. Files said that he
had
bitten down on the casing for that was a trait of his. He always
placed
the spent shells in his mouth after a job, as he called it. Files
testified that his teeth marks were in the casing that he left behind
in
Dealey Plaza.
Upon returning to Texas, we contacted a Mr. John Rodamacher, who I
might
point out is here today, of the Dallas area after we found news
clippings
about him in the files of Truth Truth Truth, Incorporated.
In 1987, Mr. Rodamacher and his stepson were enjoying a father and son
outing when they discovered a .222 casing buried in Dealey Plaza
approximately four to six feet in front of the wooden stockade fence.
The
casing contained dents.
Dr. Paul Stimpson of the University of Texas at Houston, a noted
forensic
odontologist who was recommended to us by the Houston Police
Department
examined the .222 casing in his lab. Dr. Stimpson issued a written
medical
legal opinion which states that the dents in the casing are teeth
marks.
We shared the confession of James E. Files with criminal attorney Don
Irving, who agreed to visit Files in an effort to cross-examine Mr.
Files
to ascertain his validity. In June of 1993, Attorney Irving, a veteran
of
over 25 years of high profile criminal cases, spent almost seven hours
with James E. Files at the Joliet Prison. Mr. Irving reported that he
found no inconsistencies in Mr. Files confession.
Mr. Irving issued a 17-page memo on his cross-examination of James E.
Files and that memo has been included in your information packet for
your
confidential review.
Following his visit with Mr. Files, Attorney Irving negotiated a deal
with
the FBI, the United States Department of Justice, to provide Mr. Files
with immunity in order that his testimony could be heard by a special
grand jury that was to be called following a nonofficial visit with
Mr.
Files at which Attorney Irving and the FBI were to be present.
On August 3rd, 1993, Attorney Irving informed us that he had received
word
that the United States Attorney in Chicago had reviewed and approved
the
immunity agreement for James E. Files. Mr. Irving further stated that
the
government was to fly him and an FBI agent to the prison for the
nonofficial visit with Mr. Files.
On August 9th, 1993, two Chicago FBI agents made an unannounced visit
to
Mr. Files without the knowledge or consent of Attorney Irving or the
prison. Mr. Files informed Attorney Irving that he was asked to agree
that
Lee Harvey Oswald was the lone assassin of John F. Kennedy.
Shortly there after, Beaumont Agent Shelton was threatened with the
loss
of his FBI job and government pension. This fact was verified by both
Attorney Irving and newly elected Texas District Judge Charles Carver
of
Beaumont, Texas. Agent Shelton has failed to respond to our numerous
phone
calls and the FBI has twice refused to allow me to interview Agent
Shelton
on camera.
Following the discovery of James E. Files, Truth Truth Truth,
Incorporated, and Dick Clark Productions entered into a production
agreement for a special two-hour television program. Our program was
sold
to a major USA television network and was scheduled to be broadcast on
May
18th, 1994. Approximately three weeks before the broadcast, a
conservative
conspiracy researcher author who has made a full career out of denying
any
CIA involvement in the JFK assassination and who blames the
assassination
fully on the KGB and Oswald vigorously challenged the project, and the
program was placed on hold by the network.
It is the intent of Truth Truth Truth, Incorporated, to provide the
Assassination Records Review Board with a complete and accurate
accounting
of the entire investigation. The accounting will include all evidence
we
have gathered. We would like to call your special attention to the
medical
legal report issued by Dr. Randolph Robertson a noted radiologist from
Nashville, Tennessee, it is included in your packet in full with Dr.
Robertson's permission.
Dr. Robertson was granted rare access to the autopsy X-rays and photos
of
JFK which are in the National Archives in Washington, D.C. During his
examination of the skull pictures and X-rays of the President, Dr.
Robertson discovered a second bullet wound in the skull. Dr.
Robertson's
medical legal opinion states that at least one more assassin of
President
Kennedy remains to be identified.
Dr. Robertson further states that the second wound in the skull is
consistent with a shot fired from the right front Grassy Knoll area.
We ask that the Board review our evidence and Dr. Robertson's report,
investigate our findings and release your official opinion of our
findings
in your final report to the President of the United States and the
American public at the end of your term as is designated in your
mandate
through which your Board was formed.
In closing, we ask that you consider recommending to the President and
to
the American people [B]that a special grand jury be called to hear the
testimony of Q.D. Urdy and Robert Tosh Plumlee and most certainly
James E.
Files. This was the original plan as per the understanding between
Truth
Truth Truth, Incorporated, Attorney Don Irving, and the United States
Department of Justice according to Attorney Irving. [/B] [This is an
interesting statement to make in view Mr. Vernon thought at the time
of
the 1992 interview that Mr. Plumlee was a liar]
I thank you, and I would be happy to answer any questions that you
might
have.
CHAIRMAN TUNHEIM: Thank you, Mr. Vernon.
Questions?
[No response.]
CHAIRMAN TUNHEIM: We appreciate all the materials that you have
provided.
MR. VERNON: It is rather lengthy and there is quite a bit more, and
anything else you would like to see, have Mr. Marwell contact me.
There is
also quite a bit of video that I think you would be extremely
interested
in.
DR. HALL: Mr. Vernon, in the course of carrying out production and
investigation here have you come across or has your attention been
brought
to any records created by any public officials that are held in the
hands
of those officials that would otherwise be considered to the public
documents?
MR. VERNON: There are quite a few records that we would be happy to
give
you, our copies. Some of ours are copies, some of ours are originals.
I
was glad to see the gentleman from the -- I believe it was Texas Tech
earlier with the Waggoner Carr stuff. We had access to some of that
earlier Waggoner Carr stuff, and that was very interesting. We would
be
glad to give you what we have there, and there are lots of
transcriptions
and there are several other documents. I don't know which you are
aware
of, but we will be glad to give you them, sir.
DR. HALL: Thank you.
MR. VERNON: Thank you, sir.
CHAIRMAN TUNHEIM: Thank you, Mr. Vernon, we appreciate your being here
today.
END OF MR VERNON'S STATEMENT TO COMMITTEE
This post has been edited by William Plumlee: Today, 02:13 AM
Tosh once again tries to say that it was not him who lied. He has lied so
much he doesn't even know he lied anymore.
Once again review the four 4 different stories he has told since 1990 and
judge for yourself:
Here: http://www.bobvernon.com/Tosh.htm
ta ta