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The Truth That WCR Believers Run From... #2
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Ben Holmes
2024-01-02 16:06:40 UTC
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My Scenario Part 2

First - a quick review is in order. I've demonstrated that I will do
precisely what I say I will: to wit, I will match in length, detail,
and number of citations any scenario posted by a believer. I've done
so repeatedly, and invariably, believers then run away. I then
demonstrated that the Warren Commission refused to investigate prior
assassination attempts that would have shed light on the conspiracy to
murder the President.

Before the Warren Commission called the first witness, or investigated
ANY evidence, an outline was written up that contained the
"conclusions" of the Warren Commission.

Tentative Outline of the Work of the
President's Commission

Author's note: This "Tentative Outline" was attached to a "Progress
Report" dated January 11, 1964, from Commission Chairman Earl Warren
to the other Commission members, and reveals the extent to which the
Commission's conclusions were formulated prior to its investigation.

I. Assassination of President Kennedy on November 22, 1963 in Dallas

A. Trip to Texas -- Prior to Assassination
1. Initial plans for trip
a. relevent dates [sic]
b. itinerary
c. companions
d. motorcade to luncheon
e. other
2. Events of morning of November 22
a. arrival at airport -- time, etc.
b. motorcade -- crowds, time, etc.

B. Assassination (based on all available statements
of witnesses, films, photographs, etc.)
1. Shots
a. number of shots fired
b. time elapsed during shots
c. direction of shots
d. location of car at time
2. Postures and apparent injuries to President
Kennedy and Governor Connally
a. President Kennedy
b. Governor Connally

C. Events Immediately Following the Shooting
1. Treatment at hospital
2. Activities of Dallas law enforcement
3. Return of entourage to Washington
a. President Johnson's trip to airport
b. trip of Mrs. Kennedy with body of late
President to airport
c. swearing-in
4. Removal of President Kennedy's body to
Bethesda Naval Hospital
5. Removal of car to Washington -- condition
and repairs

D. Nature and Extent of Wounds Received by President
Kennedy (based on examinations in Dallas and
Bethesda)
1. Number of individual wounds received by
President Kennedy
2. Cause of death
3. Time of death
4. Evaluation of medical treatment received in
Dallas
II. Lee Harvey Oswald as the Assassin of President Kennedy
A. Brief Identification of Oswald (Dallas resident,
employee of Texas School Book Depository, etc.)

B. Movements on November 22, 1963 Prior to
Assassination
1. Trip to work
a. time
b. package
c. other significant facts, e.g. any
conversations, etc.
2. Entry into Depository
a. time
b. package
c. other significant facts
3. Activities during morning
a. nature of his work
b. location of his work
c. other significant facts, e.g. any
conversations, etc.
4. Movements immediately prior to 12:29 P.M.

C. Movements after Assassination until Murder of
Tippit
1. Presence within building
a. location
b. time
c. encounter with police
d. other relevant facts
2. Departure from building
a. time
b. direction of movement
c. other relevant facts, e.g. crossing police
line, etc.
3. Boarding of bus
a. time and place of boarding
b. duration of ride
c. other relevant facts, e.g. dress,
appearance, conversations, etc.
4. From bus to taxi
a. time and place
b. distance and route of cab
c. time to destination
d. other relevant facts obtained from cab
driver or other witnesses or sources
5. Arrival at rooming house
a. time
b. actions within rooming house
c. departure and direction
6. Route until encounter with Tippit
a. time
b. distance

D. Murder of Tippit
1. Encounter of Oswald and Tippit
a. time
b. location
2. Evidence demonstrating Oswald's guilt
a. eyewitness reports
b. murder weapon
c. autopsy and ballistics reports
d. paraffin tests
e. other, e.g. statements (if any)

E. Flight and Apprehension in Texas Theater
1. Movement until entry into theater
a. time
b. actions, e.g. reloading weapon
c. other relevant facts, e.g. recovery of
jacket
2. Apprehension in theater
a. movements of Oswald in theater
b. notification and arrival of police
c. arrest of Oswald
d. removal to station

F. Oswald at Dallas Police Station
1. Interrogation
a. time, manner and number of interrogation
sessions
b. persons present
c. persons responsible
d. results
2. Other investigation by Dallas police
a. line-ups and eyewitness identification
b. seizure of Oswald's papers
c. other
3. Denials and other statements by Oswald
4. Removal to County Jail on November 24, 1963
5. Killing of Oswald by Ruby

G. Evidence Identifying Oswald as the Assassin of
President Kennedy
1. Room of Texas School Book Depository
identified as source of shots
a. eyewitness reports
b. trajectory of shots
c. evidence on scene after assassination
d. other
2. Oswald placed in Depository (and specific
room?)
a. eyewitness reports
b. fingerprints on objects in room
c. facts reviewed above
3. Assassination weapon identified as Oswald's
a. discovery of rifle and shells
b. obtaining and possession of gun by Oswald
c. whereabouts of gun on November 21 and
November 22
d. prints on rifle
e. photographs of Oswald and rifle
f. General Walker ballistic report.
4. Other physical evidence
a. clothing tests
b. paraffin tests
5. Prior similar acts
a. General Walker attack
b. General Eisenhower threat
6. Permissible inferences from Oswald's:
a. flight from Depository
b. statements on bus
c. murder of Tippit

H. Evidence Implicating Others in Assassination or
Suggesting Accomplices
1. Evidence of shots other than from Depository?
2. Feasibility of shots within time span and with
use of telescope
3. Evidence re other persons involved in actual
shooting from Depository
4. Analysis of all movements of Oswald after
assassination for attempt to meet associates
5. Refutation of allegations
III. Lee Harvey Oswald: Background and Possible Motive
A. Birth and Pre-school Days
1. Family structure (death of father; statements
of persons who knew family; interviews of
mother, brother, and members of family)
2. Where family lived (statements as to childhood
character of Oswald from neighbors who recall
family and child)
3. Standard of living of family (document factors
which would have bearing upon development)
B. Education
1. Schools (reports from each school attended
regarding demeanor, grades, development,
attitude to fellow students, activities,
problems, possible aptitude for languages,
sex life, etc.)
2. Reports of fellow students, associates,
friends, enemies at each school attended
3. Reports from various neighbors where Oswald
lived while attending various schools
4. Special report from juvenile authorities in
New York City concerning Oswald.
a. report of case worker on Oswald and family
b. psychiatrist who examined him, treatment
and results, opinion as to future
development
C. Military Service
1. Facts regarding entry into service,
assignments, stations, etc. until discharge
2. Reports of personnel from each station
regarding demeanor, character, competence,
activities, sex life, financial status,
attitude, etc.
3. Report on all activities while in Japan
4. Report and document study of Russian language
a. where and when
b. books used
c. instruction or self-taught
d. any indication of degree of accomplishment

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Gil Jesus
2024-01-02 16:49:31 UTC
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Post by Ben Holmes
Author's note: This "Tentative Outline" was attached to a "Progress
Report" dated January 11, 1964, from Commission Chairman Earl Warren
to the other Commission members, and reveals the extent to which the
Commission's conclusions were formulated prior to its investigation.
By January 11, 1964, the rifle had not yet been tested.
By January 11, 1964, the wounds/ballistics testing had not yet been done.
By January 11, 1964, the Tippit witnesses had not yet all been interviewed.
By January 11, 1964, the Commission hadn't even interviewed its first witness.

And yet, the Commission already had its conclusions.
Can any of the Lone Nut trolls explain this ?
Ben Holmes
2024-01-02 17:07:44 UTC
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On Tue, 2 Jan 2024 08:49:31 -0800 (PST), Gil Jesus
Post by Gil Jesus
Post by Ben Holmes
Author's note: This "Tentative Outline" was attached to a "Progress
Report" dated January 11, 1964, from Commission Chairman Earl Warren
to the other Commission members, and reveals the extent to which the
Commission's conclusions were formulated prior to its investigation.
By January 11, 1964, the rifle had not yet been tested.
By January 11, 1964, the wounds/ballistics testing had not yet been done.
By January 11, 1964, the Tippit witnesses had not yet all been interviewed.
By January 11, 1964, the Commission hadn't even interviewed its first witness.
And yet, the Commission already had its conclusions.
Can any of the Lone Nut trolls explain this ?
Of course not. That's why they ran the last time this was posted.
This is PERFECT evidence supporting that the WCR was a coverup, and
not a true investigation.

What you *DON'T* see is any questions of *who* murdered JFK. Huckster
is, again, silent on this HUGE logical fallacy.

And all believers can do is run...

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