Believers Lie About The Evidence...

[Ben Holmes]

How Oswald learned Russian is a subject that lone-nutters scrupulously
avoid; they just shrug. And CTs have dropped the ball about this important
issue.
You can't exaggerate how difficult it is for an English speaker to learn
Russian. It's at least 10X harder than Spanish. Maybe 20X harder. Oswald
was a high school drop-out. By that I mean he finished the last year of
junior high school, the 9th grade, and did a couple months of high school
and that's it.
Oswald did not learn Russian on his own; it was impossible.
Oswald did not undergo any instruction at a private language school
because records would exist.
Oswald must have been taught Russian by the US military.
Yet, there is no chance that he underwent such training stateside because
there are people associated with him who have testified that he underwent
no such training. Plus, it would be part of his military record if he was
put through such training.
What about in Japan? Could he secretly and without official documentation
been put through an intensive Russian program as part of espionage? That
seems the most likely possibility. However, so far, there have been no
Marines or other personnel who have come forward to report any such thing
about Oswald studying Russian, learning Russian, speaking Russian. There
is simply no observer of any of that who has come forward.
Here is a link to a page from another forum which discusses the subject
quite thoroughly. It's worth reading.
http://jfkhistory.com/forum/index.php?topic=1953.0
I think we have to seriously consider the possibility that a bait and
switch was pulled off, that the guy we are calling Lee Harvey Oswald was
someone else.
Keep in mind that it has no bearing our work because the Man in the
Doorway was definitely the Lee Harvey Oswald who was arrested in the Texas
Theater, held for two days, and then summarily executed by Jack Ruby.
Still, it would be nice to know who he was. And it all centers on one
thing: How did Oswald learn to speak Russian?

Oswald was married to a Russian.
The very best way to learn any language is to have a Significant Other
whose primary language it is.
Cinque strikes (out) again.

What the kook doesn't explain, and *cannot* explain, is how Oswald
spoke it so well when he *MET* his wife to be, that she thought he was
simply from another area of Russia...

From Marina's testimony concerning when she first met Oswald:

Mr. McDONALD. At this time you were speaking in Russian together?
Mrs. PORTER. Yes. He spoke with accent so I assumed he was maybe from
another state, which is customary in Russia. People from other states
do speak with accents because they do not speak Russian. They speak
different languages.
Mr. McDONALD. So when you say another state, you mean another Russian
state?
Mrs. PORTER. Yes, like Estonia, Lithuania, something like that.

Now, either this kook "Sandy McCroskey" is simply ignorant of the
evidence in this case (which is amazingly common among Warren
Commission defenders) - or "Sandy McCroskey" is a liar.

I put my money on the latter...

Why do so many LNT'ers lie about the evidence?

[Hank Sienzant]

Post by Ben Holmes

How Oswald learned Russian is a subject that lone-nutters scrupulously
avoid; they just shrug. And CTs have dropped the ball about this important
issue.
You can't exaggerate how difficult it is for an English speaker to learn
Russian. It's at least 10X harder than Spanish. Maybe 20X harder. Oswald
was a high school drop-out. By that I mean he finished the last year of
junior high school, the 9th grade, and did a couple months of high school
and that's it.
Oswald did not learn Russian on his own; it was impossible.
Oswald did not undergo any instruction at a private language school
because records would exist.
Oswald must have been taught Russian by the US military.
Yet, there is no chance that he underwent such training stateside because
there are people associated with him who have testified that he underwent
no such training. Plus, it would be part of his military record if he was
put through such training.
What about in Japan? Could he secretly and without official documentation
been put through an intensive Russian program as part of espionage? That
seems the most likely possibility. However, so far, there have been no
Marines or other personnel who have come forward to report any such thing
about Oswald studying Russian, learning Russian, speaking Russian. There
is simply no observer of any of that who has come forward.
Here is a link to a page from another forum which discusses the subject
quite thoroughly. It's worth reading.
http://jfkhistory.com/forum/index.php?topic=1953.0
I think we have to seriously consider the possibility that a bait and
switch was pulled off, that the guy we are calling Lee Harvey Oswald was
someone else.
Keep in mind that it has no bearing our work because the Man in the
Doorway was definitely the Lee Harvey Oswald who was arrested in the Texas
Theater, held for two days, and then summarily executed by Jack Ruby.
Still, it would be nice to know who he was. And it all centers on one
thing: How did Oswald learn to speak Russian?

Oswald was married to a Russian.
The very best way to learn any language is to have a Significant Other
whose primary language it is.
Cinque strikes (out) again.

What the kook doesn't explain, and *cannot* explain, is how Oswald
spoke it so well when he *MET* his wife to be, that she thought he was
simply from another area of Russia...

It will surprise most Lithuanians to learn they are from “another area of Russia” and speak Russian.
They speak Lithuanian. They were part of the Soviet Union, but never part of Russia.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lithuania

Post by Ben Holmes
Mr. McDONALD. At this time you were speaking in Russian together?
Mrs. PORTER. Yes. He spoke with accent so I assumed he was maybe from
another state, which is customary in Russia. People from other states
do speak with accents because they do not speak Russian. They speak
different languages.
Mr. McDONALD. So when you say another state, you mean another Russian
state?
Mrs. PORTER. Yes, like Estonia, Lithuania, something like that.
Now, either this kook "Sandy McCroskey" is simply ignorant of the
evidence in this case (which is amazingly common among Warren
Commission defenders) - or "Sandy McCroskey" is a liar.

What part of Marina saying “ People from other states do speak with accents because they do not speak Russian. They speak different languages” caused you to think Marina was saying Lithiuanians speak Russian and Oswald spoke Russian well, but with an accent?

He spoke it like someone who was not a native Russian speaker. Like someone to whom Russian was a second language. Like someone from Lithuania, whose official language is Lithuanian. She said exactly that:


“… they do not speak Russian. They speak different languages”

No amount of your spin will change that.

Post by Ben Holmes
I put my money on the latter...
Why do so many LNT'ers lie about the evidence?

Begged question. The only one misrepresenting the evidence in this thread is you.

[Ben Holmes]

On Mon, 15 Jan 2024 19:47:04 -0800 (PST), Hank Sienzant
<***@aol.com> wrote:

To honor Huckster's absolute non-sequiturs, I present this:

You've claimed that the "A.B.C.D." in the Autopsy Report is the
description of the *location* of the large head wound.

Yet you refuse time and time again from QUOTING the preceding
paragraph that describes what this ACTUALLY is. Why is that?

You've also claimed that the prosectors dissected the throat wound.

Why do you continue to refuse to cite any evidence for this?

Why have you CONSISTENTLY run away each time I raise this issue?

Now you've quite stupidly insisted that the bullet entered JFK's back,
and exited the back of his head.

More cowardice, more stupidity, more dishonesty.

Are you proud of yourself?

[Hank Sienzant]

Post by Hank Sienzant

Post by Ben Holmes

How Oswald learned Russian is a subject that lone-nutters scrupulously
avoid; they just shrug. And CTs have dropped the ball about this important
issue.
You can't exaggerate how difficult it is for an English speaker to learn
Russian. It's at least 10X harder than Spanish. Maybe 20X harder. Oswald
was a high school drop-out. By that I mean he finished the last year of
junior high school, the 9th grade, and did a couple months of high school
and that's it.
Oswald did not learn Russian on his own; it was impossible.
Oswald did not undergo any instruction at a private language school
because records would exist.
Oswald must have been taught Russian by the US military.
Yet, there is no chance that he underwent such training stateside because
there are people associated with him who have testified that he underwent
no such training. Plus, it would be part of his military record if he was
put through such training.
What about in Japan? Could he secretly and without official documentation
been put through an intensive Russian program as part of espionage? That
seems the most likely possibility. However, so far, there have been no
Marines or other personnel who have come forward to report any such thing
about Oswald studying Russian, learning Russian, speaking Russian. There
is simply no observer of any of that who has come forward.
Here is a link to a page from another forum which discusses the subject
quite thoroughly. It's worth reading.
http://jfkhistory.com/forum/index.php?topic=1953.0
I think we have to seriously consider the possibility that a bait and
switch was pulled off, that the guy we are calling Lee Harvey Oswald was
someone else.
Keep in mind that it has no bearing our work because the Man in the
Doorway was definitely the Lee Harvey Oswald who was arrested in the Texas
Theater, held for two days, and then summarily executed by Jack Ruby.
Still, it would be nice to know who he was. And it all centers on one
thing: How did Oswald learn to speak Russian?

Oswald was married to a Russian.
The very best way to learn any language is to have a Significant Other
whose primary language it is.
Cinque strikes (out) again.

What the kook doesn't explain, and *cannot* explain, is how Oswald
spoke it so well when he *MET* his wife to be, that she thought he was
simply from another area of Russia...

It will surprise most Lithuanians to learn they are from “another area of Russia” and speak Russian.
They speak Lithuanian. They were part of the Soviet Union, but never part of Russia.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lithuania

It’s clear Ben thought Lithuanians spoke Russian with an accent. They don't. The native language of Lithuania is Lithuanian.

Post by Hank Sienzant

Post by Ben Holmes
Mr. McDONALD. At this time you were speaking in Russian together?
Mrs. PORTER. Yes. He spoke with accent so I assumed he was maybe from
another state, which is customary in Russia. People from other states
do speak with accents because they do not speak Russian. They speak
different languages.
Mr. McDONALD. So when you say another state, you mean another Russian
state?
Mrs. PORTER. Yes, like Estonia, Lithuania, something like that.
Now, either this kook "Sandy McCroskey" is simply ignorant of the
evidence in this case (which is amazingly common among Warren
Commission defenders) - or "Sandy McCroskey" is a liar.

What part of Marina saying “ People from other states do speak with accents because they do not speak Russian. They speak different languages” caused you to think Marina was saying Lithiuanians speak Russian and Oswald spoke Russian well, but with an accent?
“… they do not speak Russian. They speak different languages”
No amount of your spin will change that.

“They speak different languages”.

Like Oswald, whose first language was English. He too spoke like a non-native Russian language speaker.

Post by Hank Sienzant

Post by Ben Holmes
I put my money on the latter...
Why do so many LNT'ers lie about the evidence?

Begged question. The only one misrepresenting the evidence in this thread is you.

No surprise. Ben ran from the points made because it's clear that he was misrepresenting the evidence.

[Ben Holmes]

On Tue, 16 Jan 2024 09:58:55 -0800 (PST), Hank Sienzant
<***@aol.com> wrote:

It's clear that Huckster is simply molesting his own mother now...

But he runs from this:

You've claimed that the "A.B.C.D." in the Autopsy Report is the
description of the *location* of the large head wound.

Yet you refuse time and time again from QUOTING the preceding
paragraph that describes what this ACTUALLY is. Why is that?

You've also claimed that the prosectors dissected the throat wound.

Why do you continue to refuse to cite any evidence for this?

Why have you CONSISTENTLY run away each time I raise this issue?

Now you've quite stupidly insisted that the bullet entered JFK's back,
and exited the back of his head.

More cowardice, more stupidity, more dishonesty.

Are you proud of yourself?

[Bud]

Post by Ben Holmes
On Tue, 16 Jan 2024 09:58:55 -0800 (PST), Hank Sienzant
It's clear that Huckster is simply molesting his own mother now...

Wow, Ben is really frustrated how easily Hank takes apart his claims.

His reaction is to throw a tantrum like a child.

Post by Ben Holmes
You've claimed that the "A.B.C.D." in the Autopsy Report is the
description of the *location* of the large head wound.
Yet you refuse time and time again from QUOTING the preceding
paragraph that describes what this ACTUALLY is. Why is that?
You've also claimed that the prosectors dissected the throat wound.
Why do you continue to refuse to cite any evidence for this?
Why have you CONSISTENTLY run away each time I raise this issue?
Now you've quite stupidly insisted that the bullet entered JFK's back,
and exited the back of his head.
More cowardice, more stupidity, more dishonesty.
Are you proud of yourself?

[Ben Holmes]

On Tue, 16 Jan 2024 15:55:36 -0800 (PST), Bud <***@fast.net>
wrote:

So, according to Bugliosi, it was this "oval" shape that was
"virtually conclusive evidence" of an SBT?

Chickenshit is TERRIFIED of this simple honest question. He knows
that Bugliosi was a moron if he truly thought this... yet you can't
get Chickenshit to publicly acknowledge that Bugliosi said this.

It's a simple "Yes" or "No" question, and Chickenshit cannot cite
where he has EVER answered it. (Without immediately denying it.)

So it's going to keep getting asked until Chickenshit answers it.