Discussion:
Evidence Believers Can't Explain...
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Ben Holmes
2024-01-15 17:36:38 UTC
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On Mon, 4 Feb 2013 11:29:15 -0800 (PST), Walt
There were freshly painted yellow markers on the curb of Elm street
which matked the "kill Zone"at the time President Kennedy was
murdered. Those bright yellow markers can be seen in the Z film and
other photos of Dealey Plaza. I believe they were evidence that the
murder was preplanned and a military style operation.
Ben Holmes wrote: "Actually, the yellow painted curbs *is* rather
interesting. They were freshly painted, I understand, and would
provide a common marker for all assassins. Since all were in places
where the view was different, a common marker that could be seen by
all would be handy.
Such paint seems to serve no purpose unless you postulate that those
were sections of curbs slated for replacement or something along those
lines.
We may be straining gnats and swallowing camels here, but the painted
curbs do make for an interesting mystery.
Although the painted curbs have an obvious and credible explanation
for critics - believers have no explanation...
Hank Sienzant
2024-01-16 04:21:30 UTC
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Post by Ben Holmes
On Mon, 4 Feb 2013 11:29:15 -0800 (PST), Walt
There were freshly painted yellow markers on the curb of Elm street
which matked the "kill Zone"at the time President Kennedy was
murdered. Those bright yellow markers can be seen in the Z film and
other photos of Dealey Plaza. I believe they were evidence that the
murder was preplanned and a military style operation.
Ben Holmes wrote: "Actually, the yellow painted curbs *is* rather
interesting. They were freshly painted, I understand, and would
provide a common marker for all assassins. Since all were in places
where the view was different, a common marker that could be seen by
all would be handy.
Such paint seems to serve no purpose unless you postulate that those
were sections of curbs slated for replacement or something along those
lines.
We may be straining gnats and swallowing camels here, but the painted
curbs do make for an interesting mystery.
Although the painted curbs have an obvious and credible explanation
for critics - believers have no explanation...
I thought you claimed Conspiracy Theorists don't speculate. There is nothing except speculation above.

I guess Kennedy was supposed to be shot a multitude of places in Dallas.

Here’s an image of a different part of Dallas on the day of the assassination showing a yellow marking at the curb:

https://www.gettyimages.com/detail/news-photo/ride-into-tragedy-a-car-full-of-secret-servicemen-follows-news-photo/515492394?adppopup=true

Your theory has no evidence in support, it’s merely speculation. And the fact that there are such markings elsewhere in Dallas establishes those markings are not specific to the assassination site.

Why would shooters need such markings in any case? Couldn't they look at a map or walk the area and simply agree to start shooting when the President’s limo turned from Houston into Elm?

And while we're asking simple questions, explain why a conspiracy who plan to shoot JFK from multiple directions and then think it was a good idea to attempt to frame one person, shooting from one location, as the assassin.

Or call me names, delete my points, and change the subject. You do you.
Gil Jesus
2024-01-16 10:26:40 UTC
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Post by Hank Sienzant
I thought you claimed Conspiracy Theorists don't speculate. There is nothing except speculation above.
I guess Kennedy was supposed to be shot a multitude of places in Dallas.
https://www.gettyimages.com/detail/news-photo/ride-into-tragedy-a-car-full-of-secret-servicemen-follows-news-photo/515492394?adppopup=true
Your theory has no evidence in support, it’s merely speculation. And the fact that there are such markings elsewhere in Dallas establishes those markings are not specific to the assassination site.
Why would shooters need such markings in any case? Couldn't they look at a map or walk the area and simply agree to start shooting when the President’s limo turned from Houston into Elm?
And while we're asking simple questions, explain why a conspiracy who plan to shoot JFK from multiple directions and then think it was a good idea to attempt to frame one person, shooting from one location, as the assassin.
Or call me names, delete my points, and change the subject. You do you.
As usual, your reading comprehension is less than admirable. Ben posted a post originally posted by Walt Cakebread and his response to it. It was Cakebread who speculated that the painted curbs were marking for the assassins, Ben just noted that it was an interesting thought worth discussion.

Although the painted curbs may not have been painted SPECIFICALLY to mark where the assassination was to take place, there's no reason why they couldn't have been used as landmarks.
Yellow painted curbs usually indicate no parking zones.

As far as your silly question goes, it was originally publicly stated that the President had been killed, "as part of an International Communist Conspiracy", not a lone gunman.
It wasn't until LBJ's people and then LBJ himself, called Dallas to tell them to stop saying that and to end the investigation, that the narrative changed to a lone gunman.

You fail to understand that whoever controls the evidence can present any case they want to, real or not.
And you also fail to understand that Dallas DA Henry Wade had no problem presenting such fake cases, fake cases that were given to him by police.
The proof of that is that Wade presented 19 fake cases that were overturned on DNA evidence.
https://www.nbcnews.com/id/wbna25917791
Bud
2024-01-16 12:15:01 UTC
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Post by Gil Jesus
Post by Hank Sienzant
I thought you claimed Conspiracy Theorists don't speculate. There is nothing except speculation above.
I guess Kennedy was supposed to be shot a multitude of places in Dallas.
https://www.gettyimages.com/detail/news-photo/ride-into-tragedy-a-car-full-of-secret-servicemen-follows-news-photo/515492394?adppopup=true
Your theory has no evidence in support, it’s merely speculation. And the fact that there are such markings elsewhere in Dallas establishes those markings are not specific to the assassination site.
Why would shooters need such markings in any case? Couldn't they look at a map or walk the area and simply agree to start shooting when the President’s limo turned from Houston into Elm?
And while we're asking simple questions, explain why a conspiracy who plan to shoot JFK from multiple directions and then think it was a good idea to attempt to frame one person, shooting from one location, as the assassin.
Or call me names, delete my points, and change the subject. You do you.
As usual, your reading comprehension is less than admirable.
Boy, that`s ironic. Hank wrote...

"I thought you claimed Conspiracy Theorists don't speculate. There is nothing except speculation above."

He didn`t say it was Ben`s speculation, Walt is a conspiracy theorist.

Your reading comprehension is as bad as your thinking in general.
Post by Gil Jesus
Ben posted a post originally posted by Walt Cakebread and his response to it. It was Cakebread who speculated that the painted curbs were marking for the assassins, Ben just noted that it was an interesting thought worth discussion.
See above.
Post by Gil Jesus
Although the painted curbs may not have been painted SPECIFICALLY to mark where the assassination was to take place,
There is no ideas too stupid for a conspiracy theorist to entertain. Someone opening an umbrella is a signal. A horn blowing in the basement of the DPD is a signal for Ruby that Oswald was being brought out. Everything is always from the outside looking in, always "it looks that way to me". Well, you`re an idiot, so it is immaterial how things look to you.
Post by Gil Jesus
there's no reason why they couldn't have been used as landmarks.
Yellow painted curbs usually indicate no parking zones.
As far as your silly question goes, it was originally publicly stated that the President had been killed, "as part of an International Communist Conspiracy", not a lone gunman.
There was speculation to that effect, but no direct evidence tying the murderer they had in their custody to the cold war adversary he de facto defected to.
Post by Gil Jesus
It wasn't until LBJ's people and then LBJ himself, called Dallas to tell them to stop saying that and to end the investigation, that the narrative changed to a lone gunman.
It wasn`t until Oswald killed Kennedy by himself that investigations showed he killed Kennedy without help.
Post by Gil Jesus
You fail to understand that whoever controls the evidence can present any case they want to, real or not.
You fail to understand that all you are doing is playing childish games with the deaths of these men.

You claim this...

"The wounds ballistics testing proved that Commission Exhibit 399 could not have hit both victims."

So they conducted tests, and none of the astute, accomplished men involved in the investigation picked up on this "proof", and then published this "proof" for everyone to see so the biggest stump on the planet could come along and catch this "proof". Or you are just a self-deluded idiot. Tough call.
Post by Gil Jesus
And you also fail to understand that Dallas DA Henry Wade had no problem presenting such fake cases, fake cases that were given to him by police.
You can`t show that they ever did what you are alleging they did in the assassination. You aren`t even showing it was possible for them to do the things you allege they did in the assassination.
Post by Gil Jesus
The proof of that is that Wade presented 19 fake cases that were overturned on DNA evidence.
Which is a different thing than establishing they did not commit the crimes they were charged with.
Post by Gil Jesus
https://www.nbcnews.com/id/wbna25917791
Ben Holmes
2024-01-16 14:44:32 UTC
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On Tue, 16 Jan 2024 04:15:01 -0800 (PST), Bud <***@fast.net>
wrote:

So, according to Bugliosi, it was this "oval" shape that was
"virtually conclusive evidence" of an SBT?

Chickenshit is TERRIFIED of this simple honest question. He knows
that Bugliosi was a moron if he truly thought this... yet you can't
get Chickenshit to publicly acknowledge that Bugliosi said this.

It's a simple "Yes" or "No" question, and Chickenshit cannot cite
where he has EVER answered it. (Without immediately denying it.)

So it's going to keep getting asked until Chickenshit answers it.
Ben Holmes
2024-01-16 14:43:20 UTC
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On Tue, 16 Jan 2024 02:26:40 -0800 (PST), Gil Jesus
Post by Gil Jesus
As usual, your reading comprehension is less than admirable. Ben posted a post originally posted by Walt Cakebread and his response to it. It was Cakebread who speculated that the painted curbs were marking for the assassins, Ben just noted that it was an interesting thought worth discussion.
Although the painted curbs may not have been painted SPECIFICALLY to mark where the assassination was to take place, there's no reason why they couldn't have been used as landmarks.
Yellow painted curbs usually indicate no parking zones.
As far as your silly question goes, it was originally publicly stated that the President had been killed, "as part of an International Communist Conspiracy", not a lone gunman.
It wasn't until LBJ's people and then LBJ himself, called Dallas to tell them to stop saying that and to end the investigation, that the narrative changed to a lone gunman.
You fail to understand that whoever controls the evidence can present any case they want to, real or not.
And you also fail to understand that Dallas DA Henry Wade had no problem presenting such fake cases, fake cases that were given to him by police.
The proof of that is that Wade presented 19 fake cases that were overturned on DNA evidence.
https://www.nbcnews.com/id/wbna25917791
Huckster's simply a coward who can't deal with the evidence. Feb 22
can't come soon enough.
Hank Sienzant
2024-01-17 13:04:32 UTC
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Post by Gil Jesus
Post by Hank Sienzant
I thought you claimed Conspiracy Theorists don't speculate. There is nothing except speculation above.
I guess Kennedy was supposed to be shot a multitude of places in Dallas.
https://www.gettyimages.com/detail/news-photo/ride-into-tragedy-a-car-full-of-secret-servicemen-follows-news-photo/515492394?adppopup=true
Your theory has no evidence in support, it’s merely speculation. And the fact that there are such markings elsewhere in Dallas establishes those markings are not specific to the assassination site.
Why would shooters need such markings in any case? Couldn't they look at a map or walk the area and simply agree to start shooting when the President’s limo turned from Houston into Elm?
And while we're asking simple questions, explain why a conspiracy who plan to shoot JFK from multiple directions and then think it was a good idea to attempt to frame one person, shooting from one location, as the assassin.
Or call me names, delete my points, and change the subject. You do you.
As usual, your reading comprehension is less than admirable. Ben posted a post originally posted by Walt Cakebread and his response to it. It was Cakebread who speculated that the painted curbs were marking for the assassins, Ben just noted that it was an interesting thought worth discussion.
First, thank you for admitting Cakebread’s post is speculation. Ben claims critics deal with the evidence, and don't do speculation. You admit above Ben is wrong about that.

Second, what part of Ben’s remark isn't speculation? He speculates the lines were freshly painted, he speculates they would provide a “common marker for all assassins”, and he speculates there were multiple assassins.
Post by Gil Jesus
Although the painted curbs may not have been painted SPECIFICALLY to mark where the assassination was to take place, there's no reason why they couldn't have been used as landmarks.
Why was there any *need* for landmarks? Just “shoot the President on Elm” is all the instruction the assassins you speculate existed would need, isn't it? How stupid exactly do you speculate these supposed assassins were?
Post by Gil Jesus
Yellow painted curbs usually indicate no parking zones.
Yes, like in the photo I provided. Or on a highway entrance ramp, which is all that portion of Elm Street essentially is.
Post by Gil Jesus
As far as your silly question goes, it was originally publicly stated that the President had been killed, "as part of an International Communist Conspiracy", not a lone gunman.
No, that’s untrue. Nobody knew who killed the President initially, and there wasn't any mention of an international communist conspiracy. It was only after Oswald was arrested for the murder of Tippit and it was learned that (a) Oswald worked in the TSBD and (b) he had defected to Russia that speculation arose that this was part of a larger Soviet conspiracy. In fact, LBJ was being advised to get AF1 in the air, because it would be safer than on the ground.
Post by Gil Jesus
It wasn't until LBJ's people and then LBJ himself, called Dallas to tell them to stop saying that and to end the investigation, that the narrative changed to a lone gunman.
You’ll never be able to document that LBJ or anyone advised the Dallas police to “end the investigation”. You just made that up.
Post by Gil Jesus
You fail to understand that whoever controls the evidence can present any case they want to, real or not.
So all cases are fake? Don't the investigators control the evidence in *every* case, including this one?
You haven't shown how this one is any different, you are just speculating they framed Oswald.
Post by Gil Jesus
And you also fail to understand that Dallas DA Henry Wade had no problem presenting such fake cases, fake cases that were given to him by police.
You haven't shown that either. You've speculated that's the case based on the number of cases overturned by better (DNA) evidence that wasn't available when the cases were tried, but youv3 presented no evidence Wade’s overturned case rate is exceptional.
Post by Gil Jesus
The proof of that is that Wade presented 19 fake cases that were overturned on DNA evidence.
https://www.nbcnews.com/id/wbna25917791
No, you speculate these were fake cases. But years later, better evidence became available and justice was served. DNA was not available when those men were convicted, was it?
Ben Holmes
2024-01-17 15:57:36 UTC
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On Wed, 17 Jan 2024 05:04:32 -0800 (PST), Hank Sienzant
<***@aol.com> wrote:

You've claimed that the "A.B.C.D." in the Autopsy Report is the
description of the *location* of the large head wound.

Yet you refuse time and time again from QUOTING the preceding
paragraph that describes what this ACTUALLY is. Why is that?

You've also claimed that the prosectors dissected the throat wound.

Why do you continue to refuse to cite any evidence for this?

Why have you CONSISTENTLY run away each time I raise this issue?

Now you've quite stupidly insisted that the bullet entered JFK's back,
and exited the back of his head.

More cowardice, more stupidity, more dishonesty.

Are you proud of yourself?

Ben Holmes
2024-01-16 14:40:46 UTC
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On Mon, 15 Jan 2024 20:21:30 -0800 (PST), Hank Sienzant
<***@aol.com> wrote:

You've claimed that the "A.B.C.D." in the Autopsy Report is the
description of the *location* of the large head wound.

Yet you refuse time and time again from QUOTING the preceding
paragraph that describes what this ACTUALLY is. Why is that?

You've also claimed that the prosectors dissected the throat wound.

Why do you continue to refuse to cite any evidence for this?

Why have you CONSISTENTLY run away each time I raise this issue?

Now you've quite stupidly insisted that the bullet entered JFK's back,
and exited the back of his head.

More cowardice, more stupidity, more dishonesty.

Are you proud of yourself?
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