Robert Edwards Hears Hollering Several Minutes Before 1:06 pm

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Wills has started a thread on Eddie's Farm asking for time estimates for the Allen photo of Edwards being taken off to the Sheriff's Office. Pat Speer has given the estimate of 12:50. I think that's about right, and the graphic link to below demonstrate why. Tom Alyea's film captures Edwards and others turning to look up at the Hollering Cop. His Sheriff Department escort is by his side. Murray photographed Edwards being questioned with Fischer in the Sheriff's Office, and somebody, I'd guess Trask, has timed this photo at about 1:06. Fischer had to be fetched after Edwards, so it must be several minutes between the Hollering and the Murray photo, 15 seems about right. Whatever, The Great Hollering seems to have occurred well before the Official Story Time of 1:15. https://postimg.cc/PCxNSRxP

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Wills has started a thread on Eddie's Farm asking for time estimates for the Allen photo of Edwards being taken off to the Sheriff's Office. Pat Speer has given the estimate of 12:50. I think that's about right, and the graphic link to below demonstrate why. Tom Alyea's film captures Edwards and others turning to look up at the Hollering Cop. His Sheriff Department escort is by his side. Murray photographed Edwards being questioned with Fischer in the Sheriff's Office, and somebody, I'd guess Trask, has timed this photo at about 1:06. Fischer had to be fetched after Edwards, so it must be several minutes between the Hollering and the Murray photo, 15 seems about right. Whatever, The Great Hollering seems to have occurred well before the Official Story Time of 1:15. https://postimg.cc/PCxNSRxP

I assume that it's Mooney's holler which is in question,. not "Slowmo" Sgt. Hill's...

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Wills has started a thread on Eddie's Farm asking for time estimates for the Allen photo of Edwards being taken off to the Sheriff's Office. Pat Speer has given the estimate of 12:50. I think that's about right, and the graphic link to below demonstrate why. Tom Alyea's film captures Edwards and others turning to look up at the Hollering Cop. His Sheriff Department escort is by his side. Murray photographed Edwards being questioned with Fischer in the Sheriff's Office, and somebody, I'd guess Trask, has timed this photo at about 1:06. Fischer had to be fetched after Edwards, so it must be several minutes between the Hollering and the Murray photo, 15 seems about right. Whatever, The Great Hollering seems to have occurred well before the Official Story Time of 1:15. https://postimg.cc/PCxNSRxP

I assume that it's Mooney's holler which is in question,. not "Slowmo" Sgt. Hill's...

The Alyea film supports the Mooney hollering because it shows Decker down on the street as Mooney said he was. It also shows Harkness going to his motorcycle to call for the crime lab. Hill said he was not sure that anybody heard him. That's why he had started to go outside...to make sure. "At this point, I asked the deputy sheriff to guard the scene, not to let anybody touch anything, and I went over still further west to another window about the middle of the building on the south side and yelled down to the street for them to send us the crime lab. Not knowing or not getting any indication from the street that they heard me, I asked the deputies again to guard the scene and I would go down and make sure that the crime lab was en route." If Hill really was there, then he was oblivious. Mooney saw that he had been heard. Mooney was not oblivious.

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Wills has started a thread on Eddie's Farm asking for time estimates for the Allen photo of Edwards being taken off to the Sheriff's Office. Pat Speer has given the estimate of 12:50. I think that's about right, and the graphic link to below demonstrate why. Tom Alyea's film captures Edwards and others turning to look up at the Hollering Cop. His Sheriff Department escort is by his side. Murray photographed Edwards being questioned with Fischer in the Sheriff's Office, and somebody, I'd guess Trask, has timed this photo at about 1:06. Fischer had to be fetched after Edwards, so it must be several minutes between the Hollering and the Murray photo, 15 seems about right. Whatever, The Great Hollering seems to have occurred well before the Official Story Time of 1:15. https://postimg.cc/PCxNSRxP

I assume that it's Mooney's holler which is in question,. not "Slowmo" Sgt. Hill's...

The Alyea film supports the Mooney hollering because it shows Decker down on the street as Mooney said he was. It also shows Harkness going to his motorcycle to call for the crime lab. Hill said he was not sure that anybody heard him. That's why he had started to go outside...to make sure. "At this point, I asked the deputy sheriff to guard the scene, not to let anybody touch anything, and I went over still further west to another window about the middle of the building on the south side and yelled down to the street for them to send us the crime lab. Not knowing or not getting any indication from the street that they heard me, I asked the deputies again to guard the scene and I would go down and make sure that the crime lab was en route." If Hill really was there, then he was oblivious. Mooney saw that he had been heard. Mooney was not oblivious.

If Hill was there, he recreated the scene to suit his testimony. And the time of the Allen photo has to be about 12:59, right? If, that is, it signals the discovery of the hulls. (But see also below.) Trask timed the photo of Hill at 1:05, but he also wrote that Hill opened the window himself (Trask p523). Hill doesn't testify that he opened the window, however, so all bets are off there. If there was any hollering about 12:50, that has to be a *third* holler, or the first, chronologically. If there was, then that was for the (independent) discovery of the "nest", not the shells, which as I noted, happened about 10 minutes later. That would be pretty significant, I think. Can't have the shells discovered a good 8 minutes after the "nest"! Mooney always said that he found the shells almost immediately after finding the "nest"... And it was Tony Krome who started the thread, not I. (I was, though, the first follow-upper.)

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Wills has started a thread on Eddie's Farm asking for time estimates for the Allen photo of Edwards being taken off to the Sheriff's Office. Pat Speer has given the estimate of 12:50. I think that's about right, and the graphic link to below demonstrate why. Tom Alyea's film captures Edwards and others turning to look up at the Hollering Cop. His Sheriff Department escort is by his side. Murray photographed Edwards being questioned with Fischer in the Sheriff's Office, and somebody, I'd guess Trask, has timed this photo at about 1:06. Fischer had to be fetched after Edwards, so it must be several minutes between the Hollering and the Murray photo, 15 seems about right. Whatever, The Great Hollering seems to have occurred well before the Official Story Time of 1:15. https://postimg.cc/PCxNSRxP

I assume that it's Mooney's holler which is in question,. not "Slowmo" Sgt. Hill's...

The Alyea film supports the Mooney hollering because it shows Decker down on the street as Mooney said he was. It also shows Harkness going to his motorcycle to call for the crime lab. Hill said he was not sure that anybody heard him. That's why he had started to go outside...to make sure. "At this point, I asked the deputy sheriff to guard the scene, not to let anybody touch anything, and I went over still further west to another window about the middle of the building on the south side and yelled down to the street for them to send us the crime lab. Not knowing or not getting any indication from the street that they heard me, I asked the deputies again to guard the scene and I would go down and make sure that the crime lab was en route." If Hill really was there, then he was oblivious. Mooney saw that he had been heard. Mooney was not oblivious.

If Hill was there, he recreated the scene to suit his testimony. And the time of the Allen photo has to be about 12:59, right? If, that is, it signals the discovery of the hulls. (But see also below.) Trask timed the photo of Hill at 1:05, but he also wrote that Hill opened the window himself (Trask p523). Hill doesn't testify that he opened the window, however, so all bets are off there. If there was any hollering about 12:50, that has to be a *third* holler, or the first, chronologically. If there was, then that was for the (independent) discovery of the "nest", not the shells, which as I noted, happened about 10 minutes later. That would be pretty significant, I think. Can't have the shells discovered a good 8 minutes after the "nest"! Mooney always said that he found the shells almost immediately after finding the "nest"... And it was Tony Krome who started the thread, not I. (I was, though, the first follow-upper.)

Speer based his 12:50 time estimate on a man in a suit yelling out about 3 shells, so that had to be Hill, about 1:13, at the earliest (after Lt. Day arrived). That "12:50" sounded pretty interesting, but... phfft!

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Wills has started a thread on Eddie's Farm asking for time estimates for the Allen photo of Edwards being taken off to the Sheriff's Office. Pat Speer has given the estimate of 12:50. I think that's about right, and the graphic link to below demonstrate why. Tom Alyea's film captures Edwards and others turning to look up at the Hollering Cop. His Sheriff Department escort is by his side. Murray photographed Edwards being questioned with Fischer in the Sheriff's Office, and somebody, I'd guess Trask, has timed this photo at about 1:06. Fischer had to be fetched after Edwards, so it must be several minutes between the Hollering and the Murray photo, 15 seems about right. Whatever, The Great Hollering seems to have occurred well before the Official Story Time of 1:15. https://postimg.cc/PCxNSRxP

I assume that it's Mooney's holler which is in question,. not "Slowmo" Sgt. Hill's...

The Alyea film supports the Mooney hollering because it shows Decker down on the street as Mooney said he was. It also shows Harkness going to his motorcycle to call for the crime lab. Hill said he was not sure that anybody heard him. That's why he had started to go outside...to make sure. "At this point, I asked the deputy sheriff to guard the scene, not to let anybody touch anything, and I went over still further west to another window about the middle of the building on the south side and yelled down to the street for them to send us the crime lab. Not knowing or not getting any indication from the street that they heard me, I asked the deputies again to guard the scene and I would go down and make sure that the crime lab was en route." If Hill really was there, then he was oblivious. Mooney saw that he had been heard. Mooney was not oblivious.

If Hill was there, he recreated the scene to suit his testimony. And the time of the Allen photo has to be about 12:59, right? If, that is, it signals the discovery of the hulls. (But see also below.) Trask timed the photo of Hill at 1:05, but he also wrote that Hill opened the window himself (Trask p523). Hill doesn't testify that he opened the window, however, so all bets are off there. If there was any hollering about 12:50, that has to be a *third* holler, or the first, chronologically. If there was, then that was for the (independent) discovery of the "nest", not the shells, which as I noted, happened about 10 minutes later. That would be pretty significant, I think. Can't have the shells discovered a good 8 minutes after the "nest"! Mooney always said that he found the shells almost immediately after finding the "nest"... And it was Tony Krome who started the thread, not I. (I was, though, the first follow-upper.)

Speer based his 12:50 time estimate on a man in a suit yelling out about 3 shells, so that had to be Hill, about 1:13, at the earliest (after Lt. Day arrived). That "12:50" sounded pretty interesting, but... phfft!

As usual, I don't follow your logic. All is as it should be.

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Wills has started a thread on Eddie's Farm asking for time estimates for the Allen photo of Edwards being taken off to the Sheriff's Office. Pat Speer has given the estimate of 12:50. I think that's about right, and the graphic link to below demonstrate why. Tom Alyea's film captures Edwards and others turning to look up at the Hollering Cop. His Sheriff Department escort is by his side. Murray photographed Edwards being questioned with Fischer in the Sheriff's Office, and somebody, I'd guess Trask, has timed this photo at about 1:06. Fischer had to be fetched after Edwards, so it must be several minutes between the Hollering and the Murray photo, 15 seems about right. Whatever, The Great Hollering seems to have occurred well before the Official Story Time of 1:15. https://postimg.cc/PCxNSRxP

I assume that it's Mooney's holler which is in question,. not "Slowmo" Sgt. Hill's...

The Alyea film supports the Mooney hollering because it shows Decker down on the street as Mooney said he was. It also shows Harkness going to his motorcycle to call for the crime lab. Hill said he was not sure that anybody heard him. That's why he had started to go outside...to make sure. "At this point, I asked the deputy sheriff to guard the scene, not to let anybody touch anything, and I went over still further west to another window about the middle of the building on the south side and yelled down to the street for them to send us the crime lab. Not knowing or not getting any indication from the street that they heard me, I asked the deputies again to guard the scene and I would go down and make sure that the crime lab was en route." If Hill really was there, then he was oblivious. Mooney saw that he had been heard. Mooney was not oblivious.

If Hill was there, he recreated the scene to suit his testimony. And the time of the Allen photo has to be about 12:59, right? If, that is, it signals the discovery of the hulls. (But see also below.) Trask timed the photo of Hill at 1:05, but he also wrote that Hill opened the window himself (Trask p523). Hill doesn't testify that he opened the window, however, so all bets are off there. If there was any hollering about 12:50, that has to be a *third* holler, or the first, chronologically. If there was, then that was for the (independent) discovery of the "nest", not the shells, which as I noted, happened about 10 minutes later. That would be pretty significant, I think. Can't have the shells discovered a good 8 minutes after the "nest"! Mooney always said that he found the shells almost immediately after finding the "nest"... And it was Tony Krome who started the thread, not I. (I was, though, the first follow-upper.)

Speer based his 12:50 time estimate on a man in a suit yelling out about 3 shells, so that had to be Hill, about 1:13, at the earliest (after Lt. Day arrived). That "12:50" sounded pretty interesting, but... phfft!

As usual, I don't follow your logic. All is as it should be.

I have to scratch the above anyway. Mooney was also in a suit speaking of shells. So: 12:59.

dcw

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Wills has started a thread on Eddie's Farm asking for time estimates for the Allen photo of Edwards being taken off to the Sheriff's Office. Pat Speer has given the estimate of 12:50. I think that's about right, and the graphic link to below demonstrate why. Tom Alyea's film captures Edwards and others turning to look up at the Hollering Cop. His Sheriff Department escort is by his side. Murray photographed Edwards being questioned with Fischer in the Sheriff's Office, and somebody, I'd guess Trask, has timed this photo at about 1:06. Fischer had to be fetched after Edwards, so it must be several minutes between the Hollering and the Murray photo, 15 seems about right. Whatever, The Great Hollering seems to have occurred well before the Official Story Time of 1:15. https://postimg.cc/PCxNSRxP

I assume that it's Mooney's holler which is in question,. not "Slowmo" Sgt. Hill's...

The Alyea film supports the Mooney hollering because it shows Decker down on the street as Mooney said he was. It also shows Harkness going to his motorcycle to call for the crime lab. Hill said he was not sure that anybody heard him. That's why he had started to go outside...to make sure. "At this point, I asked the deputy sheriff to guard the scene, not to let anybody touch anything, and I went over still further west to another window about the middle of the building on the south side and yelled down to the street for them to send us the crime lab. Not knowing or not getting any indication from the street that they heard me, I asked the deputies again to guard the scene and I would go down and make sure that the crime lab was en route." If Hill really was there, then he was oblivious. Mooney saw that he had been heard. Mooney was not oblivious.

If Hill was there, he recreated the scene to suit his testimony. And the time of the Allen photo has to be about 12:59, right? If, that is, it signals the discovery of the hulls. (But see also below.) Trask timed the photo of Hill at 1:05, but he also wrote that Hill opened the window himself (Trask p523). Hill doesn't testify that he opened the window, however, so all bets are off there. If there was any hollering about 12:50, that has to be a *third* holler, or the first, chronologically. If there was, then that was for the (independent) discovery of the "nest", not the shells, which as I noted, happened about 10 minutes later. That would be pretty significant, I think. Can't have the shells discovered a good 8 minutes after the "nest"! Mooney always said that he found the shells almost immediately after finding the "nest"... And it was Tony Krome who started the thread, not I. (I was, though, the first follow-upper.)

Speer based his 12:50 time estimate on a man in a suit yelling out about 3 shells, so that had to be Hill, about 1:13, at the earliest (after Lt. Day arrived). That "12:50" sounded pretty interesting, but... phfft!

As usual, I don't follow your logic. All is as it should be.

I have to scratch the above anyway. Mooney was also in a suit speaking of shells. So: 12:59.
dcw

No, scratch that last post. Todd said "next to the top floor", so it was in fact Hill, circa 1:14.

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Wills has started a thread on Eddie's Farm asking for time estimates for the Allen photo of Edwards being taken off to the Sheriff's Office. Pat Speer has given the estimate of 12:50. I think that's about right, and the graphic link to below demonstrate why. Tom Alyea's film captures Edwards and others turning to look up at the Hollering Cop. His Sheriff Department escort is by his side. Murray photographed Edwards being questioned with Fischer in the Sheriff's Office, and somebody, I'd guess Trask, has timed this photo at about 1:06. Fischer had to be fetched after Edwards, so it must be several minutes between the Hollering and the Murray photo, 15 seems about right. Whatever, The Great Hollering seems to have occurred well before the Official Story Time of 1:15. https://postimg.cc/PCxNSRxP

I assume that it's Mooney's holler which is in question,. not "Slowmo" Sgt. Hill's...

The Alyea film supports the Mooney hollering because it shows Decker down on the street as Mooney said he was. It also shows Harkness going to his motorcycle to call for the crime lab. Hill said he was not sure that anybody heard him. That's why he had started to go outside...to make sure. "At this point, I asked the deputy sheriff to guard the scene, not to let anybody touch anything, and I went over still further west to another window about the middle of the building on the south side and yelled down to the street for them to send us the crime lab. Not knowing or not getting any indication from the street that they heard me, I asked the deputies again to guard the scene and I would go down and make sure that the crime lab was en route." If Hill really was there, then he was oblivious. Mooney saw that he had been heard. Mooney was not oblivious.

If Hill was there, he recreated the scene to suit his testimony. And the time of the Allen photo has to be about 12:59, right? If, that is, it signals the discovery of the hulls. (But see also below.) Trask timed the photo of Hill at 1:05, but he also wrote that Hill opened the window himself (Trask p523). Hill doesn't testify that he opened the window, however, so all bets are off there. If there was any hollering about 12:50, that has to be a *third* holler, or the first, chronologically. If there was, then that was for the (independent) discovery of the "nest", not the shells, which as I noted, happened about 10 minutes later. That would be pretty significant, I think. Can't have the shells discovered a good 8 minutes after the "nest"! Mooney always said that he found the shells almost immediately after finding the "nest"... And it was Tony Krome who started the thread, not I. (I was, though, the first follow-upper.)

Speer based his 12:50 time estimate on a man in a suit yelling out about 3 shells, so that had to be Hill, about 1:13, at the earliest (after Lt. Day arrived). That "12:50" sounded pretty interesting, but... phfft!

As usual, I don't follow your logic. All is as it should be.

I have to scratch the above anyway. Mooney was also in a suit speaking of shells. So: 12:59.
dcw

No, scratch that last post. Todd said "next to the top floor", so it was in fact Hill, circa 1:14.

Keep scratching them fleas! The 12:59 Harkness call on channel one is a fake. Harkness called earlier, on channel two, the channel he really was using, and that would probably be around 12:50, perhaps even earlier. I don't know who "Todd" saw, or if it even was Todd who escorted Edwards. I don't think that Speer has even claimed to have proven that; it's just a probability. In my view, nobody could have seen Hill hollering at 1:14, though perhaps Hill was there before Mooney hollered, just to set up his 1:15 alibi.

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Wills has started a thread on Eddie's Farm asking for time estimates for the Allen photo of Edwards being taken off to the Sheriff's Office. Pat Speer has given the estimate of 12:50. I think that's about right, and the graphic link to below demonstrate why. Tom Alyea's film captures Edwards and others turning to look up at the Hollering Cop. His Sheriff Department escort is by his side. Murray photographed Edwards being questioned with Fischer in the Sheriff's Office, and somebody, I'd guess Trask, has timed this photo at about 1:06. Fischer had to be fetched after Edwards, so it must be several minutes between the Hollering and the Murray photo, 15 seems about right. Whatever, The Great Hollering seems to have occurred well before the Official Story Time of 1:15. https://postimg.cc/PCxNSRxP

I assume that it's Mooney's holler which is in question,. not "Slowmo" Sgt. Hill's...

The Alyea film supports the Mooney hollering because it shows Decker down on the street as Mooney said he was. It also shows Harkness going to his motorcycle to call for the crime lab. Hill said he was not sure that anybody heard him. That's why he had started to go outside...to make sure. "At this point, I asked the deputy sheriff to guard the scene, not to let anybody touch anything, and I went over still further west to another window about the middle of the building on the south side and yelled down to the street for them to send us the crime lab. Not knowing or not getting any indication from the street that they heard me, I asked the deputies again to guard the scene and I would go down and make sure that the crime lab was en route." If Hill really was there, then he was oblivious. Mooney saw that he had been heard. Mooney was not oblivious.

If Hill was there, he recreated the scene to suit his testimony. And the time of the Allen photo has to be about 12:59, right? If, that is, it signals the discovery of the hulls. (But see also below.) Trask timed the photo of Hill at 1:05, but he also wrote that Hill opened the window himself (Trask p523). Hill doesn't testify that he opened the window, however, so all bets are off there. If there was any hollering about 12:50, that has to be a *third* holler, or the first, chronologically. If there was, then that was for the (independent) discovery of the "nest", not the shells, which as I noted, happened about 10 minutes later. That would be pretty significant, I think. Can't have the shells discovered a good 8 minutes after the "nest"! Mooney always said that he found the shells almost immediately after finding the "nest"... And it was Tony Krome who started the thread, not I. (I was, though, the first follow-upper.)

Speer based his 12:50 time estimate on a man in a suit yelling out about 3 shells, so that had to be Hill, about 1:13, at the earliest (after Lt. Day arrived). That "12:50" sounded pretty interesting, but... phfft!

As usual, I don't follow your logic. All is as it should be.

I have to scratch the above anyway. Mooney was also in a suit speaking of shells. So: 12:59.
dcw

No, scratch that last post. Todd said "next to the top floor", so it was in fact Hill, circa 1:14.

Keep scratching them fleas! The 12:59 Harkness call on channel one is a fake. Harkness called earlier, on channel two, the channel he really was using, and that would probably be around 12:50, perhaps even earlier. I don't know who "Todd" saw, or if it even was Todd who escorted Edwards. I don't think that Speer has even claimed to have proven that; it's just a probability. In my view, nobody could have seen Hill hollering at 1:14, though perhaps Hill was there before Mooney hollered, just to set up his 1:15 alibi.

And Crime Lab Lt. Day went along with Harkness' fake 12:59 call? Even though that might get him in trouble with l:15 Homicide? And Mooney testified "approaching 1 o'clock". Well, I guess 12:50 is approaching 1 o'clock, from a little distance...

dcw

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Wills has started a thread on Eddie's Farm asking for time estimates for the Allen photo of Edwards being taken off to the Sheriff's Office. Pat Speer has given the estimate of 12:50. I think that's about right, and the graphic link to below demonstrate why. Tom Alyea's film captures Edwards and others turning to look up at the Hollering Cop. His Sheriff Department escort is by his side. Murray photographed Edwards being questioned with Fischer in the Sheriff's Office, and somebody, I'd guess Trask, has timed this photo at about 1:06. Fischer had to be fetched after Edwards, so it must be several minutes between the Hollering and the Murray photo, 15 seems about right. Whatever, The Great Hollering seems to have occurred well before the Official Story Time of 1:15. https://postimg.cc/PCxNSRxP

I assume that it's Mooney's holler which is in question,. not "Slowmo" Sgt. Hill's...

The Alyea film supports the Mooney hollering because it shows Decker down on the street as Mooney said he was. It also shows Harkness going to his motorcycle to call for the crime lab. Hill said he was not sure that anybody heard him. That's why he had started to go outside...to make sure. "At this point, I asked the deputy sheriff to guard the scene, not to let anybody touch anything, and I went over still further west to another window about the middle of the building on the south side and yelled down to the street for them to send us the crime lab. Not knowing or not getting any indication from the street that they heard me, I asked the deputies again to guard the scene and I would go down and make sure that the crime lab was en route." If Hill really was there, then he was oblivious. Mooney saw that he had been heard. Mooney was not oblivious.

If Hill was there, he recreated the scene to suit his testimony. And the time of the Allen photo has to be about 12:59, right? If, that is, it signals the discovery of the hulls. (But see also below.) Trask timed the photo of Hill at 1:05, but he also wrote that Hill opened the window himself (Trask p523). Hill doesn't testify that he opened the window, however, so all bets are off there. If there was any hollering about 12:50, that has to be a *third* holler, or the first, chronologically. If there was, then that was for the (independent) discovery of the "nest", not the shells, which as I noted, happened about 10 minutes later. That would be pretty significant, I think. Can't have the shells discovered a good 8 minutes after the "nest"! Mooney always said that he found the shells almost immediately after finding the "nest"... And it was Tony Krome who started the thread, not I. (I was, though, the first follow-upper.)

Speer based his 12:50 time estimate on a man in a suit yelling out about 3 shells, so that had to be Hill, about 1:13, at the earliest (after Lt. Day arrived). That "12:50" sounded pretty interesting, but... phfft!

As usual, I don't follow your logic. All is as it should be.

I have to scratch the above anyway. Mooney was also in a suit speaking of shells. So: 12:59.
dcw

No, scratch that last post. Todd said "next to the top floor", so it was in fact Hill, circa 1:14.

Keep scratching them fleas! The 12:59 Harkness call on channel one is a fake. Harkness called earlier, on channel two, the channel he really was using, and that would probably be around 12:50, perhaps even earlier. I don't know who "Todd" saw, or if it even was Todd who escorted Edwards. I don't think that Speer has even claimed to have proven that; it's just a probability. In my view, nobody could have seen Hill hollering at 1:14, though perhaps Hill was there before Mooney hollered, just to set up his 1:15 alibi.

And Crime Lab Lt. Day went along with Harkness' fake 12:59 call? Even though that might get him in trouble with l:15 Homicide? And Mooney testified "approaching 1 o'clock". Well, I guess 12:50 is approaching 1 o'clock, from a little distance...
dcw

When did Day corroborate the 12:59 call?

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Wills has started a thread on Eddie's Farm asking for time estimates for the Allen photo of Edwards being taken off to the Sheriff's Office. Pat Speer has given the estimate of 12:50. I think that's about right, and the graphic link to below demonstrate why. Tom Alyea's film captures Edwards and others turning to look up at the Hollering Cop. His Sheriff Department escort is by his side. Murray photographed Edwards being questioned with Fischer in the Sheriff's Office, and somebody, I'd guess Trask, has timed this photo at about 1:06. Fischer had to be fetched after Edwards, so it must be several minutes between the Hollering and the Murray photo, 15 seems about right. Whatever, The Great Hollering seems to have occurred well before the Official Story Time of 1:15. https://postimg.cc/PCxNSRxP

I assume that it's Mooney's holler which is in question,. not "Slowmo" Sgt. Hill's...

The Alyea film supports the Mooney hollering because it shows Decker down on the street as Mooney said he was. It also shows Harkness going to his motorcycle to call for the crime lab. Hill said he was not sure that anybody heard him. That's why he had started to go outside...to make sure. "At this point, I asked the deputy sheriff to guard the scene, not to let anybody touch anything, and I went over still further west to another window about the middle of the building on the south side and yelled down to the street for them to send us the crime lab. Not knowing or not getting any indication from the street that they heard me, I asked the deputies again to guard the scene and I would go down and make sure that the crime lab was en route." If Hill really was there, then he was oblivious. Mooney saw that he had been heard. Mooney was not oblivious.

If Hill was there, he recreated the scene to suit his testimony. And the time of the Allen photo has to be about 12:59, right? If, that is, it signals the discovery of the hulls. (But see also below.) Trask timed the photo of Hill at 1:05, but he also wrote that Hill opened the window himself (Trask p523). Hill doesn't testify that he opened the window, however, so all bets are off there. If there was any hollering about 12:50, that has to be a *third* holler, or the first, chronologically. If there was, then that was for the (independent) discovery of the "nest", not the shells, which as I noted, happened about 10 minutes later. That would be pretty significant, I think. Can't have the shells discovered a good 8 minutes after the "nest"! Mooney always said that he found the shells almost immediately after finding the "nest"... And it was Tony Krome who started the thread, not I. (I was, though, the first follow-upper.)

Speer based his 12:50 time estimate on a man in a suit yelling out about 3 shells, so that had to be Hill, about 1:13, at the earliest (after Lt. Day arrived). That "12:50" sounded pretty interesting, but... phfft!

As usual, I don't follow your logic. All is as it should be.

I have to scratch the above anyway. Mooney was also in a suit speaking of shells. So: 12:59.
dcw

No, scratch that last post. Todd said "next to the top floor", so it was in fact Hill, circa 1:14.

Keep scratching them fleas! The 12:59 Harkness call on channel one is a fake. Harkness called earlier, on channel two, the channel he really was using, and that would probably be around 12:50, perhaps even earlier. I don't know who "Todd" saw, or if it even was Todd who escorted Edwards. I don't think that Speer has even claimed to have proven that; it's just a probability. In my view, nobody could have seen Hill hollering at 1:14, though perhaps Hill was there before Mooney hollered, just to set up his 1:15 alibi.

And Crime Lab Lt. Day went along with Harkness' fake 12:59 call? Even though that might get him in trouble with l:15 Homicide? And Mooney testified "approaching 1 o'clock". Well, I guess 12:50 is approaching 1 o'clock, from a little distance...
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When did Day corroborate the 12:59 call?

In his official Warren Commission testimony.

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Wills has started a thread on Eddie's Farm asking for time estimates for the Allen photo of Edwards being taken off to the Sheriff's Office. Pat Speer has given the estimate of 12:50. I think that's about right, and the graphic link to below demonstrate why. Tom Alyea's film captures Edwards and others turning to look up at the Hollering Cop. His Sheriff Department escort is by his side. Murray photographed Edwards being questioned with Fischer in the Sheriff's Office, and somebody, I'd guess Trask, has timed this photo at about 1:06. Fischer had to be fetched after Edwards, so it must be several minutes between the Hollering and the Murray photo, 15 seems about right. Whatever, The Great Hollering seems to have occurred well before the Official Story Time of 1:15. https://postimg.cc/PCxNSRxP

I assume that it's Mooney's holler which is in question,. not "Slowmo" Sgt. Hill's...

The Alyea film supports the Mooney hollering because it shows Decker down on the street as Mooney said he was. It also shows Harkness going to his motorcycle to call for the crime lab. Hill said he was not sure that anybody heard him. That's why he had started to go outside...to make sure. "At this point, I asked the deputy sheriff to guard the scene, not to let anybody touch anything, and I went over still further west to another window about the middle of the building on the south side and yelled down to the street for them to send us the crime lab. Not knowing or not getting any indication from the street that they heard me, I asked the deputies again to guard the scene and I would go down and make sure that the crime lab was en route." If Hill really was there, then he was oblivious. Mooney saw that he had been heard. Mooney was not oblivious.

If Hill was there, he recreated the scene to suit his testimony. And the time of the Allen photo has to be about 12:59, right? If, that is, it signals the discovery of the hulls. (But see also below.) Trask timed the photo of Hill at 1:05, but he also wrote that Hill opened the window himself (Trask p523). Hill doesn't testify that he opened the window, however, so all bets are off there. If there was any hollering about 12:50, that has to be a *third* holler, or the first, chronologically. If there was, then that was for the (independent) discovery of the "nest", not the shells, which as I noted, happened about 10 minutes later. That would be pretty significant, I think. Can't have the shells discovered a good 8 minutes after the "nest"! Mooney always said that he found the shells almost immediately after finding the "nest"... And it was Tony Krome who started the thread, not I. (I was, though, the first follow-upper.)

Speer based his 12:50 time estimate on a man in a suit yelling out about 3 shells, so that had to be Hill, about 1:13, at the earliest (after Lt. Day arrived). That "12:50" sounded pretty interesting, but... phfft!

As usual, I don't follow your logic. All is as it should be.

I have to scratch the above anyway. Mooney was also in a suit speaking of shells. So: 12:59.
dcw

No, scratch that last post. Todd said "next to the top floor", so it was in fact Hill, circa 1:14.

Keep scratching them fleas! The 12:59 Harkness call on channel one is a fake. Harkness called earlier, on channel two, the channel he really was using, and that would probably be around 12:50, perhaps even earlier. I don't know who "Todd" saw, or if it even was Todd who escorted Edwards. I don't think that Speer has even claimed to have proven that; it's just a probability. In my view, nobody could have seen Hill hollering at 1:14, though perhaps Hill was there before Mooney hollered, just to set up his 1:15 alibi.

And Crime Lab Lt. Day went along with Harkness' fake 12:59 call? Even though that might get him in trouble with l:15 Homicide? And Mooney testified "approaching 1 o'clock". Well, I guess 12:50 is approaching 1 o'clock, from a little distance...
dcw

When did Day corroborate the 12:59 call?

In his official Warren Commission testimony.

Did he say the call came in at 12:59? I don't think so.

"Shortly before 1 o'clock I received a call from the police dispatcher to go to 411 Elm Street, Dallas...I went out of my office almost straight up 1 o'clock."

It sounds like shortly before 1:00, which could be 12:50.

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Wills has started a thread on Eddie's Farm asking for time estimates for the Allen photo of Edwards being taken off to the Sheriff's Office. Pat Speer has given the estimate of 12:50. I think that's about right, and the graphic link to below demonstrate why. Tom Alyea's film captures Edwards and others turning to look up at the Hollering Cop. His Sheriff Department escort is by his side. Murray photographed Edwards being questioned with Fischer in the Sheriff's Office, and somebody, I'd guess Trask, has timed this photo at about 1:06. Fischer had to be fetched after Edwards, so it must be several minutes between the Hollering and the Murray photo, 15 seems about right. Whatever, The Great Hollering seems to have occurred well before the Official Story Time of 1:15. https://postimg.cc/PCxNSRxP

I assume that it's Mooney's holler which is in question,. not "Slowmo" Sgt. Hill's...

The Alyea film supports the Mooney hollering because it shows Decker down on the street as Mooney said he was. It also shows Harkness going to his motorcycle to call for the crime lab. Hill said he was not sure that anybody heard him. That's why he had started to go outside...to make sure. "At this point, I asked the deputy sheriff to guard the scene, not to let anybody touch anything, and I went over still further west to another window about the middle of the building on the south side and yelled down to the street for them to send us the crime lab. Not knowing or not getting any indication from the street that they heard me, I asked the deputies again to guard the scene and I would go down and make sure that the crime lab was en route." If Hill really was there, then he was oblivious. Mooney saw that he had been heard. Mooney was not oblivious.

If Hill was there, he recreated the scene to suit his testimony. And the time of the Allen photo has to be about 12:59, right? If, that is, it signals the discovery of the hulls. (But see also below.) Trask timed the photo of Hill at 1:05, but he also wrote that Hill opened the window himself (Trask p523). Hill doesn't testify that he opened the window, however, so all bets are off there. If there was any hollering about 12:50, that has to be a *third* holler, or the first, chronologically. If there was, then that was for the (independent) discovery of the "nest", not the shells, which as I noted, happened about 10 minutes later. That would be pretty significant, I think. Can't have the shells discovered a good 8 minutes after the "nest"! Mooney always said that he found the shells almost immediately after finding the "nest"... And it was Tony Krome who started the thread, not I. (I was, though, the first follow-upper.)

Speer based his 12:50 time estimate on a man in a suit yelling out about 3 shells, so that had to be Hill, about 1:13, at the earliest (after Lt. Day arrived). That "12:50" sounded pretty interesting, but... phfft!

As usual, I don't follow your logic. All is as it should be.

I have to scratch the above anyway. Mooney was also in a suit speaking of shells. So: 12:59.
dcw

No, scratch that last post. Todd said "next to the top floor", so it was in fact Hill, circa 1:14.

Keep scratching them fleas! The 12:59 Harkness call on channel one is a fake. Harkness called earlier, on channel two, the channel he really was using, and that would probably be around 12:50, perhaps even earlier. I don't know who "Todd" saw, or if it even was Todd who escorted Edwards. I don't think that Speer has even claimed to have proven that; it's just a probability. In my view, nobody could have seen Hill hollering at 1:14, though perhaps Hill was there before Mooney hollered, just to set up his 1:15 alibi.

And Crime Lab Lt. Day went along with Harkness' fake 12:59 call? Even though that might get him in trouble with l:15 Homicide? And Mooney testified "approaching 1 o'clock". Well, I guess 12:50 is approaching 1 o'clock, from a little distance...
dcw

When did Day corroborate the 12:59 call?

In his official Warren Commission testimony.

Did he say the call came in at 12:59? I don't think so.
"Shortly before 1 o'clock I received a call from the police dispatcher to go to 411 Elm Street, Dallas...I went out of my office almost straight up 1 o'clock."
It sounds like shortly before 1:00, which could be 12:50.

Harkness called the dispatcher at 12:59. Not that I don't wish that, say, the "nest" was broadcast as discovered at 12:50, and the shells at 1:00. That would make such a nice clear case for conspiracy--two obviously separate discoveries. Although the Warren Report, in effect, managed almost that very feat--admitting that Mooney found the "nest" just before one, but then going on to say that he didn't manage to locate the shells inside it (it was such a byzantine labyrinth in there!) until 1:11 (the time of Sawyer's transmission). They reconciled the irreconcilable. Not! Okay, maybe Mooney had to, first, go find a metal detector...

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Wills has started a thread on Eddie's Farm asking for time estimates for the Allen photo of Edwards being taken off to the Sheriff's Office. Pat Speer has given the estimate of 12:50. I think that's about right, and the graphic link to below demonstrate why. Tom Alyea's film captures Edwards and others turning to look up at the Hollering Cop. His Sheriff Department escort is by his side. Murray photographed Edwards being questioned with Fischer in the Sheriff's Office, and somebody, I'd guess Trask, has timed this photo at about 1:06. Fischer had to be fetched after Edwards, so it must be several minutes between the Hollering and the Murray photo, 15 seems about right. Whatever, The Great Hollering seems to have occurred well before the Official Story Time of 1:15. https://postimg.cc/PCxNSRxP

I assume that it's Mooney's holler which is in question,. not "Slowmo" Sgt. Hill's...

The Alyea film supports the Mooney hollering because it shows Decker down on the street as Mooney said he was. It also shows Harkness going to his motorcycle to call for the crime lab. Hill said he was not sure that anybody heard him. That's why he had started to go outside...to make sure. "At this point, I asked the deputy sheriff to guard the scene, not to let anybody touch anything, and I went over still further west to another window about the middle of the building on the south side and yelled down to the street for them to send us the crime lab. Not knowing or not getting any indication from the street that they heard me, I asked the deputies again to guard the scene and I would go down and make sure that the crime lab was en route." If Hill really was there, then he was oblivious. Mooney saw that he had been heard. Mooney was not oblivious.

If Hill was there, he recreated the scene to suit his testimony. And the time of the Allen photo has to be about 12:59, right? If, that is, it signals the discovery of the hulls. (But see also below.) Trask timed the photo of Hill at 1:05, but he also wrote that Hill opened the window himself (Trask p523). Hill doesn't testify that he opened the window, however, so all bets are off there. If there was any hollering about 12:50, that has to be a *third* holler, or the first, chronologically. If there was, then that was for the (independent) discovery of the "nest", not the shells, which as I noted, happened about 10 minutes later. That would be pretty significant, I think. Can't have the shells discovered a good 8 minutes after the "nest"! Mooney always said that he found the shells almost immediately after finding the "nest"... And it was Tony Krome who started the thread, not I. (I was, though, the first follow-upper.)

Speer based his 12:50 time estimate on a man in a suit yelling out about 3 shells, so that had to be Hill, about 1:13, at the earliest (after Lt. Day arrived). That "12:50" sounded pretty interesting, but... phfft!

As usual, I don't follow your logic. All is as it should be.

I have to scratch the above anyway. Mooney was also in a suit speaking of shells. So: 12:59.
dcw

No, scratch that last post. Todd said "next to the top floor", so it was in fact Hill, circa 1:14.

Keep scratching them fleas! The 12:59 Harkness call on channel one is a fake. Harkness called earlier, on channel two, the channel he really was using, and that would probably be around 12:50, perhaps even earlier. I don't know who "Todd" saw, or if it even was Todd who escorted Edwards. I don't think that Speer has even claimed to have proven that; it's just a probability. In my view, nobody could have seen Hill hollering at 1:14, though perhaps Hill was there before Mooney hollered, just to set up his 1:15 alibi.

And Crime Lab Lt. Day went along with Harkness' fake 12:59 call? Even though that might get him in trouble with l:15 Homicide? And Mooney testified "approaching 1 o'clock". Well, I guess 12:50 is approaching 1 o'clock, from a little distance...
dcw

When did Day corroborate the 12:59 call?

In his official Warren Commission testimony.

Did he say the call came in at 12:59? I don't think so.
"Shortly before 1 o'clock I received a call from the police dispatcher to go to 411 Elm Street, Dallas...I went out of my office almost straight up 1 o'clock."
It sounds like shortly before 1:00, which could be 12:50.

Harkness called the dispatcher at 12:59. Not that I don't wish that, say, the "nest" was broadcast as discovered at 12:50, and the shells at 1:00. That would make such a nice clear case for conspiracy--two obviously separate discoveries. Although the Warren Report, in effect, managed almost that very feat--admitting that Mooney found the "nest" just before one, but then going on to say that he didn't manage to locate the shells inside it (it was such a byzantine labyrinth in there!) until 1:11 (the time of Sawyer's transmission). They reconciled the irreconcilable. Not! Okay, maybe Mooney had to, first, go find a metal detector...
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Day did not say that the dispatcher called him at 12:59. He said, "shortly before 1:00."