Discussion:
The Dillard Photo of the TSBD is probably fake
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Saintly Oswald
2012-12-14 21:44:30 UTC
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The Dillard and Powell photos seem to have been taken at nearly the same time, according the photographers' independent accounts and according to some details in the photos. But there are differences in the photos, most importantly, probably, the boxes in the sniper's nest. The difference in the boxes in the two pictures is too great to be explained by camera angle and distance. I think the Powell photo is probably the good one and the Dillard is fake, because the Dillard boxes match the official pictures of the sniper's nest. Since they wouldn't fake it to be different, the Powell is probably genuine. There are other differences involving people, but people can move quickly. Those boxes would need some time. Dillard was an "official" photographer. He was supposed to be there and would have been on the conspiracy's photographer list. Powell just happened to come on his own, and then afterwards, by his account, went around with the police because he has some kind of intelligence credentials. That might make him seem suspicious, but I think that probably is what kept him under the radar of the conspirators. They didn't get to his film in time to change the boxes to the way they wanted them. It might also imply other things, since a couple of people are visible in the Dillard who aren't visible in the Powell.
Saintly Oswald
2012-12-14 21:50:57 UTC
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Also, in his testimony to the WC, Dillard said that somebody with him saw a gun being draw back in the window, though he himself didn't see it. He took his photo immediately after that. In the Powell, you can see what looks like that gun barrel. If this really is the case, then these photographs are so close together that the second man in the Dillard photo should be in the Powell, but he isn't. That could be a camera angle issue, but it looks like he should be visible if he is there. Perhaps somebody wanted this gentleman to be there so that his presence on the 5th floor would be established.
Post by Saintly Oswald
The Dillard and Powell photos seem to have been taken at nearly the same time, according the photographers' independent accounts and according to some details in the photos. But there are differences in the photos, most importantly, probably, the boxes in the sniper's nest. The difference in the boxes in the two pictures is too great to be explained by camera angle and distance. I think the Powell photo is probably the good one and the Dillard is fake, because the Dillard boxes match the official pictures of the sniper's nest. Since they wouldn't fake it to be different, the Powell is probably genuine. There are other differences involving people, but people can move quickly. Those boxes would need some time. Dillard was an "official" photographer. He was supposed to be there and would have been on the conspiracy's photographer list. Powell just happened to come on his own, and then afterwards, by his account, went around with the police because he has some kind of intelligence credentials. That might make him seem suspicious, but I think that probably is what kept him under the radar of the conspirators. They didn't get to his film in time to change the boxes to the way they wanted them. It might also imply other things, since a couple of people are visible in the Dillard who aren't visible in the Powell.
Saintly Oswald
2012-12-14 22:00:34 UTC
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This is a composite I put together. Powell is on the left and Dillard is on the right. I copied the guy from the Powell window and put him next to himself at the Dillard window to illustrate how similarly-positioned they are in each photo. Yet, his friend visible in the Dillard is not in the Powell.
Post by Saintly Oswald
The Dillard and Powell photos seem to have been taken at nearly the same time, according the photographers' independent accounts and according to some details in the photos. But there are differences in the photos, most importantly, probably, the boxes in the sniper's nest. The difference in the boxes in the two pictures is too great to be explained by camera angle and distance. I think the Powell photo is probably the good one and the Dillard is fake, because the Dillard boxes match the official pictures of the sniper's nest. Since they wouldn't fake it to be different, the Powell is probably genuine. There are other differences involving people, but people can move quickly. Those boxes would need some time. Dillard was an "official" photographer. He was supposed to be there and would have been on the conspiracy's photographer list. Powell just happened to come on his own, and then afterwards, by his account, went around with the police because he has some kind of intelligence credentials. That might make him seem suspicious, but I think that probably is what kept him under the radar of the conspirators. They didn't get to his film in time to change the boxes to the way they wanted them. It might also imply other things, since a couple of people are visible in the Dillard who aren't visible in the Powell.
David Von Pein
2012-12-14 22:04:43 UTC
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Good! More stuff that a kook thinks is fake! There's a shocker!
Jason Burke
2012-12-14 22:11:09 UTC
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Post by David Von Pein
Good! More stuff that a kook thinks is fake! There's a shocker!
Come on, David. EVERYTHING is fake. Shoot, JFK is still alive.
Walt
2012-12-15 02:00:04 UTC
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https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-Ph4ptCxt6VA/UMtzipXCNUI/AAAAAAAAAk...
This is a composite I put together. Powell is on the left and Dillard is on the right. I copied the guy from the Powell window and put him next to himself at the Dillard window to illustrate how similarly-positioned they are in each photo. Yet, his friend visible in the Dillard is not in the Powell.
Post by Saintly Oswald
The Dillard and Powell photos seem to have been taken at nearly the same time, according the photographers' independent accounts and according to some details in the photos. But there are differences in the photos, most importantly, probably, the boxes in the sniper's nest. The difference in the boxes in the two pictures is too great to be explained by camera angle and distance. I think the Powell photo is probably the good one and the Dillard is fake, because the Dillard boxes match the official pictures of the sniper's nest. Since they wouldn't fake it to be different, the Powell is probably genuine. There are other differences involving people, but people can move quickly. Those boxes would need some time. Dillard was an "official" photographer. He was supposed to be there and would have been on the conspiracy's photographer list. Powell just happened to come on his own, and then afterwards, by his account, went around with the police because he has some kind of intelligence credentials. That might make him seem suspicious, but I think that probably is what kept him under the radar of the conspirators. They didn't get to his film in time to change the boxes to the way they wanted them. It might also imply other things, since a couple of people are visible in the Dillard who aren't visible in the Powell.
Now you're displaying a glimmer of intelligence. You're absolutely
right... The man in both photos is Bonnie Ray Williams. He was there
at that window BEFORE Shorty Norman or Junior Jarman arrived. James
Powell took his photo when BR Williams was there by himself.... A few
minutes later Tom Dillard snapped a very similar photo BUT at the time
Dillard took his photo Shorty Norman had joined BR Williams behind
that fifth floor window. Incidentally.....There are several other
people behind various windows of the TSBD who are NOT visible in
Powells photo but they are visible in Dillard's photo. When you read
the affidavits of those people you'll find that they aren't seen in
Powells photo because they hadn't got into the position behind the
various windows yet whem Powell too his photo but they had arrived at
their positions behind those windows when Tom Dillard took his photo.

This is exactly what I was trying to tell you!..... The authorities
lied and claimed that Dillard took his photo first and then Powell
took his photo about thirty seconds later. They lied....Poweel took
his photo BEFORE the shooting....and Dillard took his DURING the
shooting.
dcw
2012-12-16 19:33:27 UTC
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Post by Walt
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-Ph4ptCxt6VA/UMtzipXCNUI/AAAAAAAAAk...
This is a composite I put together. Powell is on the left and Dillard is on the right. I copied the guy from the Powell window and put him next to himself at the Dillard window to illustrate how similarly-positioned they are in each photo. Yet, his friend visible in the Dillard is not in the Powell.
Post by Saintly Oswald
The Dillard and Powell photos seem to have been taken at nearly the same time, according the photographers' independent accounts and according to some details in the photos. But there are differences in the photos, most importantly, probably, the boxes in the sniper's nest. The difference in the boxes in the two pictures is too great to be explained by camera angle and distance. I think the Powell photo is probably the good one and the Dillard is fake, because the Dillard boxes match the official pictures of the sniper's nest. Since they wouldn't fake it to be different, the Powell is probably genuine. There are other differences involving people, but people can move quickly. Those boxes would need some time. Dillard was an "official" photographer. He was supposed to be there and would have been on the conspiracy's photographer list. Powell just happened to come on his own, and then afterwards, by his account, went around with the police because he has some kind of intelligence credentials. That might make him seem suspicious, but I think that probably is what kept him under the radar of the conspirators. They didn't get to his film in time to change the boxes to the way they wanted them. It might also imply other things, since a couple of people are visible in the Dillard who aren't visible in the Powell.
Now you're displaying a glimmer of intelligence. You're absolutely
right... The man in both photos is Bonnie Ray Williams. He was there
at that window BEFORE Shorty Norman or Junior Jarman arrived.
Their testimony has Norman & Jarman at their windows first, Williams arriving a bit later after he had heard them talking below.
dcw


James
Post by Walt
Powell took his photo when BR Williams was there by himself.... A few
minutes later Tom Dillard snapped a very similar photo BUT at the time
Dillard took his photo Shorty Norman had joined BR Williams behind
that fifth floor window. Incidentally.....There are several other
people behind various windows of the TSBD who are NOT visible in
Powells photo but they are visible in Dillard's photo. When you read
the affidavits of those people you'll find that they aren't seen in
Powells photo because they hadn't got into the position behind the
various windows yet whem Powell too his photo but they had arrived at
their positions behind those windows when Tom Dillard took his photo.
This is exactly what I was trying to tell you!..... The authorities
lied and claimed that Dillard took his photo first and then Powell
took his photo about thirty seconds later. They lied....Poweel took
his photo BEFORE the shooting....and Dillard took his DURING the
shooting.
Walt
2012-12-16 21:38:04 UTC
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Post by dcw
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-Ph4ptCxt6VA/UMtzipXCNUI/AAAAAAAAAk...
This is a composite I put together. Powell is on the left and Dillard is on the right. I copied the guy from the Powell window and put him next to himself at the Dillard window to illustrate how similarly-positioned they are in each photo. Yet, his friend visible in the Dillard is not in the Powell.
Post by Saintly Oswald
The Dillard and Powell photos seem to have been taken at nearly the same time, according the photographers' independent accounts and according to some details in the photos. But there are differences in the photos, most importantly, probably, the boxes in the sniper's nest. The difference in the boxes in the two pictures is too great to be explained by camera angle and distance. I think the Powell photo is probably the good one and the Dillard is fake, because the Dillard boxes match the official pictures of the sniper's nest. Since they wouldn't fake it to be different, the Powell is probably genuine. There are other differences involving people, but people can move quickly. Those boxes would need some time. Dillard was an "official" photographer. He was supposed to be there and would have been on the conspiracy's photographer list. Powell just happened to come on his own, and then afterwards, by his account, went around with the police because he has some kind of intelligence credentials. That might make him seem suspicious, but I think that probably is what kept him under the radar of the conspirators. They didn't get to his film in time to change the boxes to the way they wanted them. It might also imply other things, since a couple of people are visible in the Dillard who aren't visible in the Powell.
Now you're displaying a glimmer of intelligence.     You're absolutely
right... The man in both photos is Bonnie Ray Williams.  He was there
at that window BEFORE Shorty Norman or Junior Jarman arrived.
Their testimony has Norman & Jarman at their windows first, Williams arriving a bit later after he had heard them talking below.
dcw
Yes, that's right...... However..... Please keep in mind that the
Warren Commission was creating a lie. The three stooges said anything
the slick lawyers wanted them to say. The Powell photo was taken
BEFORE the Dillard photo and BR Williams is the only one of the three
stooges that is "VISIBLE" behind the fifth floor window. Norman and
Jarman are not there.

Recall that Lee Oswald saw them pass by the first floor lunchroom at
about the time that James Powell snapped the shutter and created the
photo which recorded Bonnie Ray Williams behind that window all
alone.
Post by dcw
 James
Powell took his photo when BR Williams was there by himself....  A few
minutes later Tom Dillard snapped a very similar photo BUT at the time
Dillard took his photo Shorty Norman had joined BR Williams behind
that fifth floor window.  Incidentally.....There are several other
people behind various windows of the TSBD who are NOT visible in
Powells photo but they are visible in Dillard's photo.  When you read
the affidavits of those people you'll find that they aren't seen in
Powells photo because they hadn't got into the position behind the
various windows yet whem Powell too his photo but they had arrived at
their positions behind those windows when Tom Dillard took his photo.
This is exactly what I was trying to tell you!..... The authorities
lied and claimed that Dillard took his photo first and then Powell
took his photo about thirty seconds later.  They lied....Poweel took
his photo BEFORE the shooting....and Dillard took his DURING the
shooting.
Saintly Oswald
2012-12-17 01:38:13 UTC
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Of course what you say is possible, but many things are possible. I don't see how you can prove that by the people visible in the windows. Even in the Dillard wide angle photo, Norman is not visible, although he must be there, since he is in the close-up that Dillard took seconds before...right? You said the Dillard was genuine. And it takes only a couple seconds for somebody to lean back out of view. I think you need some further corroboration to make a credible assertion that Powell's photo had been taken a minute or more before.
Post by Walt
Post by dcw
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-Ph4ptCxt6VA/UMtzipXCNUI/AAAAAAAAAk...
This is a composite I put together. Powell is on the left and Dillard is on the right. I copied the guy from the Powell window and put him next to himself at the Dillard window to illustrate how similarly-positioned they are in each photo. Yet, his friend visible in the Dillard is not in the Powell.
Post by Saintly Oswald
The Dillard and Powell photos seem to have been taken at nearly the same time, according the photographers' independent accounts and according to some details in the photos. But there are differences in the photos, most importantly, probably, the boxes in the sniper's nest. The difference in the boxes in the two pictures is too great to be explained by camera angle and distance. I think the Powell photo is probably the good one and the Dillard is fake, because the Dillard boxes match the official pictures of the sniper's nest. Since they wouldn't fake it to be different, the Powell is probably genuine. There are other differences involving people, but people can move quickly. Those boxes would need some time. Dillard was an "official" photographer. He was supposed to be there and would have been on the conspiracy's photographer list. Powell just happened to come on his own, and then afterwards, by his account, went around with the police because he has some kind of intelligence credentials. That might make him seem suspicious, but I think that probably is what kept him under the radar of the conspirators. They didn't get to his film in time to change the boxes to the way they wanted them. It might also imply other things, since a couple of people are visible in the Dillard who aren't visible in the Powell.
Now you're displaying a glimmer of intelligence.     You're absolutely
right... The man in both photos is Bonnie Ray Williams.  He was there
at that window BEFORE Shorty Norman or Junior Jarman arrived.
Their testimony has Norman & Jarman at their windows first, Williams arriving a bit later after he had heard them talking below.
dcw
Yes, that's right...... However..... Please keep in mind that the
Warren Commission was creating a lie. The three stooges said anything
the slick lawyers wanted them to say. The Powell photo was taken
BEFORE the Dillard photo and BR Williams is the only one of the three
stooges that is "VISIBLE" behind the fifth floor window. Norman and
Jarman are not there.
Recall that Lee Oswald saw them pass by the first floor lunchroom at
about the time that James Powell snapped the shutter and created the
photo which recorded Bonnie Ray Williams behind that window all
alone.
Post by dcw
 James
Powell took his photo when BR Williams was there by himself....  A few
minutes later Tom Dillard snapped a very similar photo BUT at the time
Dillard took his photo Shorty Norman had joined BR Williams behind
that fifth floor window.  Incidentally.....There are several other
people behind various windows of the TSBD who are NOT visible in
Powells photo but they are visible in Dillard's photo.  When you read
the affidavits of those people you'll find that they aren't seen in
Powells photo because they hadn't got into the position behind the
various windows yet whem Powell too his photo but they had arrived at
their positions behind those windows when Tom Dillard took his photo.
This is exactly what I was trying to tell you!..... The authorities
lied and claimed that Dillard took his photo first and then Powell
took his photo about thirty seconds later.  They lied....Poweel took
his photo BEFORE the shooting....and Dillard took his DURING the
shooting.
Saintly Oswald
2012-12-17 01:41:12 UTC
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Those boxes in the sniper's nest are what had me going on this, but now I think that they might actually be consistent in both the Powell and Dillard photos, and look different because of camera angles. With that problem removed, I don't see any compelling argument for a problem with either photo, though Dillard's testimony is still weird. Maybe he was a weirdo.
Post by Saintly Oswald
Of course what you say is possible, but many things are possible. I don't see how you can prove that by the people visible in the windows. Even in the Dillard wide angle photo, Norman is not visible, although he must be there, since he is in the close-up that Dillard took seconds before...right? You said the Dillard was genuine. And it takes only a couple seconds for somebody to lean back out of view. I think you need some further corroboration to make a credible assertion that Powell's photo had been taken a minute or more before.
Post by Walt
Post by dcw
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-Ph4ptCxt6VA/UMtzipXCNUI/AAAAAAAAAk...
This is a composite I put together. Powell is on the left and Dillard is on the right. I copied the guy from the Powell window and put him next to himself at the Dillard window to illustrate how similarly-positioned they are in each photo. Yet, his friend visible in the Dillard is not in the Powell.
Post by Saintly Oswald
The Dillard and Powell photos seem to have been taken at nearly the same time, according the photographers' independent accounts and according to some details in the photos. But there are differences in the photos, most importantly, probably, the boxes in the sniper's nest. The difference in the boxes in the two pictures is too great to be explained by camera angle and distance. I think the Powell photo is probably the good one and the Dillard is fake, because the Dillard boxes match the official pictures of the sniper's nest. Since they wouldn't fake it to be different, the Powell is probably genuine. There are other differences involving people, but people can move quickly. Those boxes would need some time. Dillard was an "official" photographer. He was supposed to be there and would have been on the conspiracy's photographer list. Powell just happened to come on his own, and then afterwards, by his account, went around with the police because he has some kind of intelligence credentials. That might make him seem suspicious, but I think that probably is what kept him under the radar of the conspirators. They didn't get to his film in time to change the boxes to the way they wanted them. It might also imply other things, since a couple of people are visible in the Dillard who aren't visible in the Powell.
Now you're displaying a glimmer of intelligence.     You're absolutely
right... The man in both photos is Bonnie Ray Williams.  He was there
at that window BEFORE Shorty Norman or Junior Jarman arrived.
Their testimony has Norman & Jarman at their windows first, Williams arriving a bit later after he had heard them talking below.
dcw
Yes, that's right...... However..... Please keep in mind that the
Warren Commission was creating a lie. The three stooges said anything
the slick lawyers wanted them to say. The Powell photo was taken
BEFORE the Dillard photo and BR Williams is the only one of the three
stooges that is "VISIBLE" behind the fifth floor window. Norman and
Jarman are not there.
Recall that Lee Oswald saw them pass by the first floor lunchroom at
about the time that James Powell snapped the shutter and created the
photo which recorded Bonnie Ray Williams behind that window all
alone.
Post by dcw
 James
Powell took his photo when BR Williams was there by himself....  A few
minutes later Tom Dillard snapped a very similar photo BUT at the time
Dillard took his photo Shorty Norman had joined BR Williams behind
that fifth floor window.  Incidentally.....There are several other
people behind various windows of the TSBD who are NOT visible in
Powells photo but they are visible in Dillard's photo.  When you read
the affidavits of those people you'll find that they aren't seen in
Powells photo because they hadn't got into the position behind the
various windows yet whem Powell too his photo but they had arrived at
their positions behind those windows when Tom Dillard took his photo.
This is exactly what I was trying to tell you!..... The authorities
lied and claimed that Dillard took his photo first and then Powell
took his photo about thirty seconds later.  They lied....Poweel took
his photo BEFORE the shooting....and Dillard took his DURING the
shooting.
Walt
2012-12-17 02:49:38 UTC
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On Dec 16, 7:38 pm, Saintly Oswald <***@gmail.com> wrote:

Of course what you say is possible, but many things are possible. I
don't see how you can prove that by the people visible in the
windows.

The difference between the people visible behind the various windows
doesn't "PROVE" my case by itself.


Even in the Dillard wide angle photo, Norman is not visible, although
he must be there, since he is in the close-up that Dillard took
seconds before...right?

I believe the reason that Norman can't be seen in Dillard's wide angle
is because his camera and film simply could "SEE" him in the interior
of the building.

You said the Dillard was genuine. And it takes only a couple seconds
for somebody to lean back out of view. I think you need some further
corroboration to make a credible assertion that Powell's photo had
been taken a minute or more before.

I've been trying to show you the corroboration....but you don't want
to focus on the evidence.
Post by dcw
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-Ph4ptCxt6VA/UMtzipXCNUI/AAAAAAAAAk...
This is a composite I put together. Powell is on the left and Dillard is on the right. I copied the guy from the Powell window and put him next to himself at the Dillard window to illustrate how similarly-positioned they are in each photo. Yet, his friend visible in the Dillard is not in the Powell.
Post by Saintly Oswald
The Dillard and Powell photos seem to have been taken at nearly the same time, according the photographers' independent accounts and according to some details in the photos. But there are differences in the photos, most importantly, probably, the boxes in the sniper's nest. The difference in the boxes in the two pictures is too great to be explained by camera angle and distance. I think the Powell photo is probably the good one and the Dillard is fake, because the Dillard boxes match the official pictures of the sniper's nest. Since they wouldn't fake it to be different, the Powell is probably genuine. There are other differences involving people, but people can move quickly. Those boxes would need some time. Dillard was an "official" photographer. He was supposed to be there and would have been on the conspiracy's photographer list. Powell just happened to come on his own, and then afterwards, by his account, went around with the police because he has some kind of intelligence credentials. That might make him seem suspicious, but I think that probably is what kept him under the radar of the conspirators. They didn't get to his film in time to change the boxes to the way they wanted them. It might also imply other things, since a couple of people are visible in the Dillard who aren't visible in the Powell.
Now you're displaying a glimmer of intelligence.     You're absolutely
right... The man in both photos is Bonnie Ray Williams.  He was there
at that window BEFORE Shorty Norman or Junior Jarman arrived.
Their testimony has Norman & Jarman at their windows first, Williams arriving a bit later after he had heard them talking below.
dcw
Yes, that's right......   However..... Please keep in mind that the
Warren Commission was creating a lie.  The three stooges said anything
the slick lawyers wanted them to say.   The Powell photo was taken
BEFORE the Dillard photo and BR Williams is the only one of the three
stooges that is "VISIBLE" behind the fifth floor window.   Norman and
Jarman are not there.
Recall that Lee Oswald saw them pass by the first floor lunchroom at
about the time that James Powell snapped the shutter and created the
photo which recorded Bonnie Ray Williams behind that window all
alone.
Post by dcw
 James
Powell took his photo when BR Williams was there by himself....  A few
minutes later Tom Dillard snapped a very similar photo BUT at the time
Dillard took his photo Shorty Norman had joined BR Williams behind
that fifth floor window.  Incidentally.....There are several other
people behind various windows of the TSBD who are NOT visible in
Powells photo but they are visible in Dillard's photo.  When you read
the affidavits of those people you'll find that they aren't seen in
Powells photo because they hadn't got into the position behind the
various windows yet whem Powell too his photo but they had arrived at
their positions behind those windows when Tom Dillard took his photo.
This is exactly what I was trying to tell you!..... The authorities
lied and claimed that Dillard took his photo first and then Powell
took his photo about thirty seconds later.  They lied....Poweel took
his photo BEFORE the shooting....and Dillard took his DURING the
shooting.
Walt
2012-12-17 02:56:18 UTC
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 Of course what you say is possible, but many things are possible. I
don't see how you can prove that by the people visible in the
windows.
The difference between the people visible behind the various windows
doesn't "PROVE" my case by itself.
Even in the Dillard wide angle photo, Norman is not visible, although
he must be there, since he is in the close-up that Dillard took
seconds before...right?
I believe the reason that Norman can't be seen in Dillard's wide angle
is because his camera and film simply could NOT "SEE" him in the interior
of the building.
You said the Dillard was genuine. And it takes only a couple seconds
for somebody to lean back out of view. I think you need some further
corroboration to make a credible assertion that Powell's photo had
been taken a minute or more before.
I've been trying to show you the corroboration....but you don't want
to focus on the evidence.
I asked you if you have Groden's TKOAP..... You need to see Powell's
photo in color.
Post by dcw
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-Ph4ptCxt6VA/UMtzipXCNUI/AAAAAAAAAk...
This is a composite I put together. Powell is on the left and Dillard is on the right. I copied the guy from the Powell window and put him next to himself at the Dillard window to illustrate how similarly-positioned they are in each photo. Yet, his friend visible in the Dillard is not in the Powell.
Post by Saintly Oswald
The Dillard and Powell photos seem to have been taken at nearly the same time, according the photographers' independent accounts and according to some details in the photos. But there are differences in the photos, most importantly, probably, the boxes in the sniper's nest. The difference in the boxes in the two pictures is too great to be explained by camera angle and distance. I think the Powell photo is probably the good one and the Dillard is fake, because the Dillard boxes match the official pictures of the sniper's nest. Since they wouldn't fake it to be different, the Powell is probably genuine. There are other differences involving people, but people can move quickly. Those boxes would need some time. Dillard was an "official" photographer. He was supposed to be there and would have been on the conspiracy's photographer list. Powell just happened to come on his own, and then afterwards, by his account, went around with the police because he has some kind of intelligence credentials. That might make him seem suspicious, but I think that probably is what kept him under the radar of the conspirators. They didn't get to his film in time to change the boxes to the way they wanted them. It might also imply other things, since a couple of people are visible in the Dillard who aren't visible in the Powell.
Now you're displaying a glimmer of intelligence.     You're absolutely
right... The man in both photos is Bonnie Ray Williams.  He was there
at that window BEFORE Shorty Norman or Junior Jarman arrived.
Their testimony has Norman & Jarman at their windows first, Williams arriving a bit later after he had heard them talking below.
dcw
Yes, that's right......   However..... Please keep in mind that the
Warren Commission was creating a lie.  The three stooges said anything
the slick lawyers wanted them to say.   The Powell photo was taken
BEFORE the Dillard photo and BR Williams is the only one of the three
stooges that is "VISIBLE" behind the fifth floor window.   Norman and
Jarman are not there.
Recall that Lee Oswald saw them pass by the first floor lunchroom at
about the time that James Powell snapped the shutter and created the
photo which recorded Bonnie Ray Williams behind that window all
alone.
Post by dcw
 James
Powell took his photo when BR Williams was there by himself....  A few
minutes later Tom Dillard snapped a very similar photo BUT at the time
Dillard took his photo Shorty Norman had joined BR Williams behind
that fifth floor window.  Incidentally.....There are several other
people behind various windows of the TSBD who are NOT visible in
Powells photo but they are visible in Dillard's photo.  When you read
the affidavits of those people you'll find that they aren't seen in
Powells photo because they hadn't got into the position behind the
various windows yet whem Powell too his photo but they had arrived at
their positions behind those windows when Tom Dillard took his photo.
This is exactly what I was trying to tell you!..... The authorities
lied and claimed that Dillard took his photo first and then Powell
took his photo about thirty seconds later.  They lied....Poweel took
his photo BEFORE the shooting....and Dillard took his DURING the
shooting.
Saintly Oswald
2012-12-17 07:29:59 UTC
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Well, Walt, since you wouldn't even tell me what the photo was, I won't bother to ask you what your evidence is. I'd probably just argue about it, anyway.
Post by Saintly Oswald
Of course what you say is possible, but many things are possible. I
don't see how you can prove that by the people visible in the
windows.
The difference between the people visible behind the various windows
doesn't "PROVE" my case by itself.
Even in the Dillard wide angle photo, Norman is not visible, although
he must be there, since he is in the close-up that Dillard took
seconds before...right?
I believe the reason that Norman can't be seen in Dillard's wide angle
is because his camera and film simply could "SEE" him in the interior
of the building.
You said the Dillard was genuine. And it takes only a couple seconds
for somebody to lean back out of view. I think you need some further
corroboration to make a credible assertion that Powell's photo had
been taken a minute or more before.
I've been trying to show you the corroboration....but you don't want
to focus on the evidence.
Post by dcw
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-Ph4ptCxt6VA/UMtzipXCNUI/AAAAAAAAAk...
This is a composite I put together. Powell is on the left and Dillard is on the right. I copied the guy from the Powell window and put him next to himself at the Dillard window to illustrate how similarly-positioned they are in each photo. Yet, his friend visible in the Dillard is not in the Powell.
Post by Saintly Oswald
The Dillard and Powell photos seem to have been taken at nearly the same time, according the photographers' independent accounts and according to some details in the photos. But there are differences in the photos, most importantly, probably, the boxes in the sniper's nest. The difference in the boxes in the two pictures is too great to be explained by camera angle and distance. I think the Powell photo is probably the good one and the Dillard is fake, because the Dillard boxes match the official pictures of the sniper's nest. Since they wouldn't fake it to be different, the Powell is probably genuine. There are other differences involving people, but people can move quickly. Those boxes would need some time. Dillard was an "official" photographer. He was supposed to be there and would have been on the conspiracy's photographer list. Powell just happened to come on his own, and then afterwards, by his account, went around with the police because he has some kind of intelligence credentials. That might make him seem suspicious, but I think that probably is what kept him under the radar of the conspirators. They didn't get to his film in time to change the boxes to the way they wanted them. It might also imply other things, since a couple of people are visible in the Dillard who aren't visible in the Powell.
Now you're displaying a glimmer of intelligence.     You're absolutely
right... The man in both photos is Bonnie Ray Williams.  He was there
at that window BEFORE Shorty Norman or Junior Jarman arrived.
Their testimony has Norman & Jarman at their windows first, Williams arriving a bit later after he had heard them talking below.
dcw
Yes, that's right......   However..... Please keep in mind that the
Warren Commission was creating a lie.  The three stooges said anything
the slick lawyers wanted them to say.   The Powell photo was taken
BEFORE the Dillard photo and BR Williams is the only one of the three
stooges that is "VISIBLE" behind the fifth floor window.   Norman and
Jarman are not there.
Recall that Lee Oswald saw them pass by the first floor lunchroom at
about the time that James Powell snapped the shutter and created the
photo which recorded Bonnie Ray Williams behind that window all
alone.
Post by dcw
 James
Powell took his photo when BR Williams was there by himself....  A few
minutes later Tom Dillard snapped a very similar photo BUT at the time
Dillard took his photo Shorty Norman had joined BR Williams behind
that fifth floor window.  Incidentally.....There are several other
people behind various windows of the TSBD who are NOT visible in
Powells photo but they are visible in Dillard's photo.  When you read
the affidavits of those people you'll find that they aren't seen in
Powells photo because they hadn't got into the position behind the
various windows yet whem Powell too his photo but they had arrived at
their positions behind those windows when Tom Dillard took his photo.
This is exactly what I was trying to tell you!..... The authorities
lied and claimed that Dillard took his photo first and then Powell
took his photo about thirty seconds later.  They lied....Poweel took
his photo BEFORE the shooting....and Dillard took his DURING the
shooting.
Walt
2012-12-17 15:42:56 UTC
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Post by Saintly Oswald
Well, Walt, since you wouldn't even tell me what the photo was, I won't bother to ask you what your evidence is. I'd probably just argue about it, anyway.
You simply don't get it,..... do you ? You've posted the photo that
was taken DURING the shooting which proves that there was NOBODY
behind the SE corner window AT THAT TIME..... And yet you can't
comprehend simple verifiable FACTS. I've told you I'd help you
verify that there was nobody behinf the so called "Sniper's Nest"
window DURING the shooting but you refuse to focus on the evidence.

And you're wrong about DEBATING the evidence............ I welcome
REASONABLE arguments, but I have no time for silly BS.
Post by Saintly Oswald
 Of course what you say is possible, but many things are possible. I
don't see how you can prove that by the people visible in the
windows.
The difference between the people visible behind the various windows
doesn't "PROVE" my case by itself.
Even in the Dillard wide angle photo, Norman is not visible, although
he must be there, since he is in the close-up that Dillard took
seconds before...right?
I believe the reason that Norman can't be seen in Dillard's wide angle
is because his camera and film simply could "SEE" him in the interior
of the building.
You said the Dillard was genuine. And it takes only a couple seconds
for somebody to lean back out of view. I think you need some further
corroboration to make a credible assertion that Powell's photo had
been taken a minute or more before.
I've been trying to show you the corroboration....but you don't want
to focus on the evidence.
Post by dcw
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-Ph4ptCxt6VA/UMtzipXCNUI/AAAAAAAAAk...
This is a composite I put together. Powell is on the left and Dillard is on the right. I copied the guy from the Powell window and put him next to himself at the Dillard window to illustrate how similarly-positioned they are in each photo. Yet, his friend visible in the Dillard is not in the Powell.
Post by Saintly Oswald
The Dillard and Powell photos seem to have been taken at nearly the same time, according the photographers' independent accounts and according to some details in the photos. But there are differences in the photos, most importantly, probably, the boxes in the sniper's nest. The difference in the boxes in the two pictures is too great to be explained by camera angle and distance. I think the Powell photo is probably the good one and the Dillard is fake, because the Dillard boxes match the official pictures of the sniper's nest. Since they wouldn't fake it to be different, the Powell is probably genuine. There are other differences involving people, but people can move quickly. Those boxes would need some time. Dillard was an "official" photographer. He was supposed to be there and would have been on the conspiracy's photographer list. Powell just happened to come on his own, and then afterwards, by his account, went around with the police because he has some kind of intelligence credentials. That might make him seem suspicious, but I think that probably is what kept him under the radar of the conspirators. They didn't get to his film in time to change the boxes to the way they wanted them. It might also imply other things, since a couple of people are visible in the Dillard who aren't visible in the Powell.
Now you're displaying a glimmer of intelligence.     You're absolutely
right... The man in both photos is Bonnie Ray Williams.  He was there
at that window BEFORE Shorty Norman or Junior Jarman arrived.
Their testimony has Norman & Jarman at their windows first, Williams arriving a bit later after he had heard them talking below.
dcw
Yes, that's right......   However..... Please keep in mind that the
Warren Commission was creating a lie.  The three stooges said anything
the slick lawyers wanted them to say.   The Powell photo was taken
BEFORE the Dillard photo and BR Williams is the only one of the three
stooges that is "VISIBLE" behind the fifth floor window.   Norman and
Jarman are not there.
Recall that Lee Oswald saw them pass by the first floor lunchroom at
about the time that James Powell snapped the shutter and created the
photo which recorded Bonnie Ray Williams behind that window all
alone.
Post by dcw
 James
Powell took his photo when BR Williams was there by himself....  A few
minutes later Tom Dillard snapped a very similar photo BUT at the time
Dillard took his photo Shorty Norman had joined BR Williams behind
that fifth floor window.  Incidentally.....There are several other
people behind various windows of the TSBD who are NOT visible in
Powells photo but they are visible in Dillard's photo.  When you read
the affidavits of those people you'll find that they aren't seen in
Powells photo because they hadn't got into the position behind the
various windows yet whem Powell too his photo but they had arrived at
their positions behind those windows when Tom Dillard took his photo.
This is exactly what I was trying to tell you!..... The authorities
lied and claimed that Dillard took his photo first and then Powell
took his photo about thirty seconds later.  They lied....Poweel took
his photo BEFORE the shooting....and Dillard took his DURING the
shooting.
Walt
2012-12-18 20:34:16 UTC
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https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-Ph4ptCxt6VA/UMtzipXCNUI/AAAAAAAAAk...
This is a composite I put together. Powell is on the left and Dillard is on the right. I copied the guy from the Powell window and put him next to himself at the Dillard window to illustrate how similarly-positioned they are in each photo. Yet, his friend visible in the Dillard is not in the Powell.
Post by Saintly Oswald
The Dillard and Powell photos seem to have been taken at nearly the same time, according the photographers' independent accounts and according to some details in the photos. But there are differences in the photos, most importantly, probably, the boxes in the sniper's nest. The difference in the boxes in the two pictures is too great to be explained by camera angle and distance. I think the Powell photo is probably the good one and the Dillard is fake, because the Dillard boxes match the official pictures of the sniper's nest. Since they wouldn't fake it to be different, the Powell is probably genuine. There are other differences involving people, but people can move quickly. Those boxes would need some time. Dillard was an "official" photographer. He was supposed to be there and would have been on the conspiracy's photographer list. Powell just happened to come on his own, and then afterwards, by his account, went around with the police because he has some kind of intelligence credentials. That might make him seem suspicious, but I think that probably is what kept him under the radar of the conspirators. They didn't get to his film in time to change the boxes to the way they wanted them. It might also imply other things, since a couple of people are visible in the Dillard who aren't visible in the Powell.
Now you're displaying a glimmer of intelligence.     You're absolutely
right... The man in both photos is Bonnie Ray Williams.  He was there
at that window BEFORE Shorty Norman or Junior Jarman arrived. James
Powell took his photo when BR Williams was there by himself....  A few
minutes later Tom Dillard snapped a very similar photo BUT at the time
Dillard took his photo Shorty Norman had joined BR Williams behind
that fifth floor window.  Incidentally.....There are several other
people behind various windows of the TSBD who are NOT visible in
Powells photo but they are visible in Dillard's photo.  When you read
the affidavits of those people you'll find that they aren't seen in
Powells photo because they hadn't got into the position behind the
various windows yet whem Powell too his photo but they had arrived at
their positions behind those windows when Tom Dillard took his photo.
I had hoped that you could stay focused on a subject long enough to
learn some facts......

One person who isn't seen in James Powell's photo is Stephen Wilson.
Wilson said that he did go to his office window
in the southeast corner of the 2nd floor of the TSBD until he heard
the motorcade on the street beneath his window. He had just had heart
surgery a couple of weeks earlier and didn't want to put any strain on
his heart, so he remained seated at his desk away from the window
until the motorcade arrived. Then he got up from behind his desk and
went to the window just as JFK's lincoln was turning onto Elm Street
from Houston Street. I few seconds later he heard the first shot.
Wilson said that he remained there behind his second floor office
window for a long time ( about an hour?) after the shooting.
The two photos (Powell & Dillard) of the TSBD corroborate Wilson.
He's NOT visible in James Powell's photo because he was still seated
behind his desk when Powell snapped the shutter of his camera. He IS
visible in Tom Dillard's photo because he had just got up from his
desk and went to the window moments before Dillard snapped the shutter
of his camera. If Powell had snapped the camera shutter 30 seconds
after Dillard snapped his camera's shutter Powell's photo would show
Stephen Wilson in his office window. This is just one person who
appears in Dillards photo but not Powell's photo who had a similar
story to tell. In addition to their stories there is scienticically
verifiable evidence that Intelligence agent James Powell took his
photo BEFORE the motorcade arrived and Tom Dillard took his photo
DURING the shooting.
This is exactly what I was trying to tell you!..... The authorities
lied and claimed that Dillard took his photo first and then Powell
took his photo about thirty seconds later.  They lied....Poweel took
his photo BEFORE the shooting....and Dillard took his DURING the
shooting.
Saintly Oswald
2012-12-18 20:49:20 UTC
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Wilson is in the Powell. You can see his hands at the window. At least, I can. In fact, simply by the position of his hands, I can tell that he is looking west down Elm, where the president had just been shot.
Post by Walt
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-Ph4ptCxt6VA/UMtzipXCNUI/AAAAAAAAAk...
This is a composite I put together. Powell is on the left and Dillard is on the right. I copied the guy from the Powell window and put him next to himself at the Dillard window to illustrate how similarly-positioned they are in each photo. Yet, his friend visible in the Dillard is not in the Powell.
Post by Saintly Oswald
The Dillard and Powell photos seem to have been taken at nearly the same time, according the photographers' independent accounts and according to some details in the photos. But there are differences in the photos, most importantly, probably, the boxes in the sniper's nest. The difference in the boxes in the two pictures is too great to be explained by camera angle and distance. I think the Powell photo is probably the good one and the Dillard is fake, because the Dillard boxes match the official pictures of the sniper's nest. Since they wouldn't fake it to be different, the Powell is probably genuine. There are other differences involving people, but people can move quickly. Those boxes would need some time. Dillard was an "official" photographer. He was supposed to be there and would have been on the conspiracy's photographer list. Powell just happened to come on his own, and then afterwards, by his account, went around with the police because he has some kind of intelligence credentials. That might make him seem suspicious, but I think that probably is what kept him under the radar of the conspirators. They didn't get to his film in time to change the boxes to the way they wanted them. It might also imply other things, since a couple of people are visible in the Dillard who aren't visible in the Powell.
Now you're displaying a glimmer of intelligence.     You're absolutely
right... The man in both photos is Bonnie Ray Williams.  He was there
at that window BEFORE Shorty Norman or Junior Jarman arrived. James
Powell took his photo when BR Williams was there by himself....  A few
minutes later Tom Dillard snapped a very similar photo BUT at the time
Dillard took his photo Shorty Norman had joined BR Williams behind
that fifth floor window.  Incidentally.....There are several other
people behind various windows of the TSBD who are NOT visible in
Powells photo but they are visible in Dillard's photo.  When you read
the affidavits of those people you'll find that they aren't seen in
Powells photo because they hadn't got into the position behind the
various windows yet whem Powell too his photo but they had arrived at
their positions behind those windows when Tom Dillard took his photo.
I had hoped that you could stay focused on a subject long enough to
learn some facts......
One person who isn't seen in James Powell's photo is Stephen Wilson.
Wilson said that he did go to his office window
in the southeast corner of the 2nd floor of the TSBD until he heard
the motorcade on the street beneath his window. He had just had heart
surgery a couple of weeks earlier and didn't want to put any strain on
his heart, so he remained seated at his desk away from the window
until the motorcade arrived. Then he got up from behind his desk and
went to the window just as JFK's lincoln was turning onto Elm Street
from Houston Street. I few seconds later he heard the first shot.
Wilson said that he remained there behind his second floor office
window for a long time ( about an hour?) after the shooting.
The two photos (Powell & Dillard) of the TSBD corroborate Wilson.
He's NOT visible in James Powell's photo because he was still seated
behind his desk when Powell snapped the shutter of his camera. He IS
visible in Tom Dillard's photo because he had just got up from his
desk and went to the window moments before Dillard snapped the shutter
of his camera. If Powell had snapped the camera shutter 30 seconds
after Dillard snapped his camera's shutter Powell's photo would show
Stephen Wilson in his office window. This is just one person who
appears in Dillards photo but not Powell's photo who had a similar
story to tell. In addition to their stories there is scienticically
verifiable evidence that Intelligence agent James Powell took his
photo BEFORE the motorcade arrived and Tom Dillard took his photo
DURING the shooting.
This is exactly what I was trying to tell you!..... The authorities
lied and claimed that Dillard took his photo first and then Powell
took his photo about thirty seconds later.  They lied....Poweel took
his photo BEFORE the shooting....and Dillard took his DURING the
shooting.
Walt
2012-12-19 00:33:54 UTC
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Post by Saintly Oswald
Wilson is in the Powell. You can see his hands at the window. At least, I can. In fact, simply by the position of his hands, I can tell that he is looking west down Elm, where the president had just been shot.
Wilson is in the Powell. You can see his hands at the window. At
least, I can.

Would you mind posting a link to the photo in ehich you can see
Wilsons hands?
Post by Saintly Oswald
Post by Walt
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-Ph4ptCxt6VA/UMtzipXCNUI/AAAAAAAAAk...
This is a composite I put together. Powell is on the left and Dillard is on the right. I copied the guy from the Powell window and put him next to himself at the Dillard window to illustrate how similarly-positioned they are in each photo. Yet, his friend visible in the Dillard is not in the Powell.
Post by Saintly Oswald
The Dillard and Powell photos seem to have been taken at nearly the same time, according the photographers' independent accounts and according to some details in the photos. But there are differences in the photos, most importantly, probably, the boxes in the sniper's nest. The difference in the boxes in the two pictures is too great to be explained by camera angle and distance. I think the Powell photo is probably the good one and the Dillard is fake, because the Dillard boxes match the official pictures of the sniper's nest. Since they wouldn't fake it to be different, the Powell is probably genuine. There are other differences involving people, but people can move quickly. Those boxes would need some time. Dillard was an "official" photographer. He was supposed to be there and would have been on the conspiracy's photographer list. Powell just happened to come on his own, and then afterwards, by his account, went around with the police because he has some kind of intelligence credentials. That might make him seem suspicious, but I think that probably is what kept him under the radar of the conspirators. They didn't get to his film in time to change the boxes to the way they wanted them. It might also imply other things, since a couple of people are visible in the Dillard who aren't visible in the Powell.
Now you're displaying a glimmer of intelligence.     You're absolutely
right... The man in both photos is Bonnie Ray Williams.  He was there
at that window BEFORE Shorty Norman or Junior Jarman arrived. James
Powell took his photo when BR Williams was there by himself....  A few
minutes later Tom Dillard snapped a very similar photo BUT at the time
Dillard took his photo Shorty Norman had joined BR Williams behind
that fifth floor window.  Incidentally.....There are several other
people behind various windows of the TSBD who are NOT visible in
Powells photo but they are visible in Dillard's photo.  When you read
the affidavits of those people you'll find that they aren't seen in
Powells photo because they hadn't got into the position behind the
various windows yet whem Powell too his photo but they had arrived at
their positions behind those windows when Tom Dillard took his photo.
I had hoped that you could stay focused on a subject long enough to
learn some facts......
One person who isn't seen in James Powell's photo is Stephen Wilson.
Wilson said that he did go to his office window
in the southeast corner of the 2nd floor of the TSBD until he heard
the motorcade on the street beneath his window. He had just had heart
surgery a couple of weeks earlier and didn't want to put any strain on
his heart, so he remained seated at his desk away from the window
until the motorcade arrived. Then he got up from behind his desk and
went to the window just as JFK's lincoln was turning onto Elm Street
from Houston Street.  I few seconds later he heard the first shot.
Wilson said that he remained there behind his second floor office
window for a long time ( about an hour?) after the shooting.
The two photos (Powell & Dillard) of the TSBD corroborate Wilson.
He's NOT visible in James Powell's photo because he was still seated
behind his desk when Powell snapped the shutter of his camera.  He IS
visible in Tom Dillard's photo because he had just got up from his
desk and went to the window moments before Dillard snapped the shutter
of his camera.  If Powell had snapped the camera shutter 30 seconds
after Dillard snapped his camera's shutter Powell's photo would show
Stephen Wilson in his office window.   This is just one person who
appears in Dillards photo but not Powell's photo who had a similar
story to tell.  In addition to their stories there is scienticically
verifiable evidence that Intelligence agent James Powell took his
photo BEFORE the motorcade arrived and  Tom Dillard took his photo
DURING the shooting.
This is exactly what I was trying to tell you!..... The authorities
lied and claimed that Dillard took his photo first and then Powell
took his photo about thirty seconds later.  They lied....Poweel took
his photo BEFORE the shooting....and Dillard took his DURING the
shooting.
Walt
2012-12-19 02:32:23 UTC
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Post by Saintly Oswald
Post by Saintly Oswald
Wilson is in the Powell. You can see his hands at the window. At least, I can. In fact, simply by the position of his hands, I can tell that he is looking west down Elm, where the president had just been shot.
Wilson is in the Powell. You can see his hands at the window. At
least, I can.
Would you mind posting a link to the photo in ehich you can see
Wilsons hands?
Post by Saintly Oswald
Post by Walt
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-Ph4ptCxt6VA/UMtzipXCNUI/AAAAAAAAAk...
This is a composite I put together. Powell is on the left and Dillard is on the right. I copied the guy from the Powell window and put him next to himself at the Dillard window to illustrate how similarly-positioned they are in each photo. Yet, his friend visible in the Dillard is not in the Powell.
Post by Saintly Oswald
The Dillard and Powell photos seem to have been taken at nearly the same time, according the photographers' independent accounts and according to some details in the photos. But there are differences in the photos, most importantly, probably, the boxes in the sniper's nest. The difference in the boxes in the two pictures is too great to be explained by camera angle and distance. I think the Powell photo is probably the good one and the Dillard is fake, because the Dillard boxes match the official pictures of the sniper's nest. Since they wouldn't fake it to be different, the Powell is probably genuine. There are other differences involving people, but people can move quickly. Those boxes would need some time. Dillard was an "official" photographer. He was supposed to be there and would have been on the conspiracy's photographer list. Powell just happened to come on his own, and then afterwards, by his account, went around with the police because he has some kind of intelligence credentials. That might make him seem suspicious, but I think that probably is what kept him under the radar of the conspirators. They didn't get to his film in time to change the boxes to the way they wanted them. It might also imply other things, since a couple of people are visible in the Dillard who aren't visible in the Powell.
Now you're displaying a glimmer of intelligence.     You're absolutely
right... The man in both photos is Bonnie Ray Williams.  He was there
at that window BEFORE Shorty Norman or Junior Jarman arrived. James
Powell took his photo when BR Williams was there by himself....  A few
minutes later Tom Dillard snapped a very similar photo BUT at the time
Dillard took his photo Shorty Norman had joined BR Williams behind
that fifth floor window.  Incidentally.....There are several other
people behind various windows of the TSBD who are NOT visible in
Powells photo but they are visible in Dillard's photo.  When you read
the affidavits of those people you'll find that they aren't seen in
Powells photo because they hadn't got into the position behind the
various windows yet whem Powell too his photo but they had arrived at
their positions behind those windows when Tom Dillard took his photo.
I had hoped that you could stay focused on a subject long enough to
learn some facts......
One person who isn't seen in James Powell's photo is Stephen Wilson.
Wilson said that he did go to his office window
in the southeast corner of the 2nd floor of the TSBD until he heard
the motorcade on the street beneath his window. He had just had heart
surgery a couple of weeks earlier and didn't want to put any strain on
his heart, so he remained seated at his desk away from the window
until the motorcade arrived. Then he got up from behind his desk and
went to the window just as JFK's lincoln was turning onto Elm Street
from Houston Street.  I few seconds later he heard the first shot.
Wilson said that he remained there behind his second floor office
window for a long time ( about an hour?) after the shooting.
The two photos (Powell & Dillard) of the TSBD corroborate Wilson.
He's NOT visible in James Powell's photo because he was still seated
behind his desk when Powell snapped the shutter of his camera.  He IS
visible in Tom Dillard's photo because he had just got up from his
desk and went to the window moments before Dillard snapped the shutter
of his camera.  If Powell had snapped the camera shutter 30 seconds
after Dillard snapped his camera's shutter Powell's photo would show
Stephen Wilson in his office window.   This is just one person who
appears in Dillards photo but not Powell's photo who had a similar
story to tell.  In addition to their stories there is scienticically
verifiable evidence that Intelligence agent James Powell took his
photo BEFORE the motorcade arrived and  Tom Dillard took his photo
DURING the shooting.
This is exactly what I was trying to tell you!..... The authorities
lied and claimed that Dillard took his photo first and then Powell
took his photo about thirty seconds later.  They lied....Poweel took
his photo BEFORE the shooting....and Dillard took his DURING the
shooting.
Pictures of the Facade
by
Walt Cakebread

The James Powell photo has been an enigma for many researchers
since it first
appeared in Gary Shaw's book Cover up in 1976. According to Warren
Commission
Document CD 354 FBI agent George T. Binney interviewed Army
Intelligence agent
James W. Powell, just a little over a month after the murder of
President
Kennedy. During that interview, on 1 /3 / 64 they discussed a photo
of the
TSBD that Powell had snapped on the afternoon of the killing. Powell
said
that, he was about a half a block east of the intersection of Houston
and Elm
when he heard the shots. He ran to the corner and noticed people
pointing
toward the TSBD, so he raised his camera to his eye and snapped a
picture that
turned out to be quite similar to a photo taken by Tom Dillard of the
Dallas
Morning News.
The date of the interview establishes that the FBI knew about
the photo very
early in the "investigation", but they kept the photo suppressed for
thirteen
years. It wasn't until Gary Shaw obtained a copy of it through the
Freedom Of
Information Act that the photo was finally made public. The fact that
the FBI
had suppressed the photo for so long lead me to suspect that it must
hold some
very valuable information.
Powell claimed that he happened to be on the scene because he
merely wanted to
see the President and get some pictures. In examining the
circumstances
surrounding the photo, I found it very odd that an Army intelligence
agent who
purportedly was a mere spectator, near the scene of the coup d'etat,
would be
on the south side of Elm street, a half a block east of the
intersection of
Houston and Elm, at a location that placed him on the north side of
the County
Records Building, and in an extremely poor position to take a picture
of the
President. From that location he could not have seen the approaching
Motorcade
and would only have caught a fleeting glimpse of the back of the
President, as
President's car made the sharp left turn onto Elm from Houston.
In examining the photo I found evidence that demonstrated that
it had been
taken before the motorcade arrived. But that didn't seem to make any
sense, I
could not understand why a photo that had been snapped shortly before
the
Motorcade arrived would be suppressed for thirteen years, and then
displayed as
a photo that had been taken about thirty seconds after the Dillard
photo.
One of the first differences I found was; there was a Jet
aircraft vapor trail
across the sky in the Dillard Photo but there isn't one in the Powell
photo. (
The contrail is clearly visible in Dillard exhibit "B" in Volume XIX,
but it
does not appear in any of the reprints of Dillard's wide angle shot.
The
contrail across the sky is one of the reasons that the someone on the
HSCA
ruined the Dillard negatives. )
If the Powell photo was taken only thirty seconds after Dillard's
photo, the
con-trail should still be visible, because con-trails don't dissipate
in thirty
seconds.
The next discrepancy I found was in the difference in the
width of the
vertical sunlit strip on the west edge of the sixth floor window. It
appears
wider in the Powell photo than in the Dillard photo. It should appear
narrower,
because the angle from the TSBD to Powell's camera is about 32 less
than the
angle to Dillard's camera. ( The Powell angle is more acute ) If both
photos
were shot with only a 30 second interval between them the sunlit strip
should
be slightly narrower in the Powell photo, though thirty seconds in
time would
not create a noticeable difference in the width, but the difference in
camera
angles should make the strip appear narrower to Powell's camera, and
yet the
strip is wider. The only explanation for the wider sunlit strip is;
the
picture was taken several minutes earlier than the Dillard photo.
I had studied and measured the shadows being cast on the face
of the
TSBD, and knew that the Powell photo was taken before the Dillard
photo. Though
I was convinced that the Powell photo was taken earlier than the
Dillard photo,
I could not understand why he would take a picture of a nondescript
old
building, when there was so much other interesting activity in the
area. Less
than 200 feet away an ambulance was picking up a man who had had an
epileptic
seizure and there were many other things that would capture the
interest of a
spectator with a camera.
Harry Livingstone, and Robert Groden, provided the answer in
their book High
Treason. In the photo section of High Treason, they printed a blurry
blow up of
a portion of the Powell photo. The portion focuses on the S.E. corner
window of
the sixth floor of the TSBD. The blow up shows a rifle barrel
protruding from
the open window. This bit of information provided the answer for the
question;
why an Army Intelligence officer would take a picture of an old
building, just
minutes before the arrival of the President's motorcade.


An ambulance was picking up a epileptic seizure victim, and
the Motorcycle
Vanguard of the Motorcade was approaching the intersection of Houston
and Main,
the air was filled with the excitement of the moment. Most of the
spectators
attentions were focused on the ambulance with it's flashing red
lights, but a
few spectators noticed the rifle protruding from the TSBD window.
Arnold and
Barbara Rowland, Howard Brennan, Amos Euins and Mrs Walthers saw the
rifle
protruding from the window, but in the confusion of the kaleidoscope
of events
they never really had time to digest the information and establish a
time of
event sequence. Howard Brennan said he saw the rifle protruding from
the window
at the time he heard the shots, and he dived to his right off the wall
to
shield himself from the gunman. He and Euins may have even originally
said
that they saw the rifle before the arrival of the motorcade, but in
reporting
what he saw there was a subtle but significant change made to make it
appear
that they said they saw the rifle at the time of the shooting. They
could not
change the words that had been put in their mouths, and the
authorities said
that they knew that Oswald fired from the sixth floor window, so what
difference did it make if their observations were mis-quoted.
The "experts" have told us that the Powell photo was taken
about 30 seconds
after the Dillard photo, which also shows a similar view of the front
of the
Texas School Book Depository. While studying, and comparing the
shadows being
cast on the face of the building in both photos,I became convinced
that the
Powell photo was snapped several minutes before the Dillard photo, and
not 30
seconds afterwards. I knew it would be difficult to present my
finding
because, when comparing the shadows of the two photos, the difference
is
difficult to discern, ( The shadows are difficult to examine and
measure, the
width of the vertical Sun lit strip, beside the window provides an
easier to
see indicator) and many researchers simply will not accept anything
that
clashes with something that the "experts " have decreed.
The picture in High Treason made it clear that the photo was
supposed to
provide proof that Oswald had fired his rifle from the window during
the coup
d'etat. Since it was taken just minutes before the Motorcade arrived,
if it had
been the only picture of the TSBD at the time of the shooting, it
would have
been nearly impossible for anyone other than an "expert" to discern
that it was
taken at about 12:25. The conspirators failed to take into account
that
another Photographer might snap a nearly identical picture during the
shooting
which refuted the rifle protruding from the window. When the Dillard
photo was
published they knew they could not publish the Powell photo, because
the many
differences between the two photos would raise too many difficult
questions and
cause unwanted attention to be focused on the facade, so they
attempted to hide
it.
In point of fact, the Powell photo has raised many questions,
and caused
conflict among researchers since it's release. The sunlight on the
boxes in
the window and the difference in camera angles make it appear that the
boxes
are arranged differently in the two photos. Indeed it is entirely
possible that
the "gunman"changed the configuration shown in the Powell picture when
he
bumped the stack of three Rolling Readers boxes when he was pulling
the rifle
back into cramped quarters of the"Sniper's Nest"after Powell took his
picture.
(An accidental bump could have been easily moved the boxes, they
weighed less
than ten pounds)
Thanks to the recorded testimony of Miss Doris Burns on pages
398-399 in
Volume VI of Hearings we now have additional proof that the James
Powell's
photo was taken several minutes before Tom Dillard 's wide angle
photo, (
labeled Dillard Exhibit "B" in Hearings Volume XIX) and not 30 seconds
after
the shots as the "experts" have lead us to believe. Doris Burns said
that she
was in the third floor office of Macmillan Co., where she worked, when
she
heard on the radio, that the President's Motorcade was turning onto
Houston
from Main, since the windows in her office faced west she would not be
able to
see the parade from her office. She decided to walk down the hall to
the Office
of Allyn & Bacon to see the President pass by.
She testified: I listened to the radio, and by that time they
said that he was
on Main and turning at Houston or main by the courthouse, so since he
was that
close, thought , well, I guess I will go look out the window. I
didn't care
enough to go downstairs, but I thought I will go look out the
window. So I
thought I would have plenty of time, if he was just coming around Main
Street,
that I could still get around there, so I went around to American Book
Co.,
which is the office closest to us that had a window ...
Saintly Oswald
2012-12-19 08:29:47 UTC
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I need to study this more. Is this your own loaf, or is Cakebread somebody else? I did not know that this was a late-surfacing photo. If this is accurate, it might explain Mr. Ball's cryptic questioning of Dillard.
Post by Walt
Post by Saintly Oswald
Post by Saintly Oswald
Wilson is in the Powell. You can see his hands at the window. At least, I can. In fact, simply by the position of his hands, I can tell that he is looking west down Elm, where the president had just been shot.
Wilson is in the Powell. You can see his hands at the window. At
least, I can.
Would you mind posting a link to the photo in ehich you can see
Wilsons hands?
Post by Saintly Oswald
Post by Walt
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-Ph4ptCxt6VA/UMtzipXCNUI/AAAAAAAAAk...
This is a composite I put together. Powell is on the left and Dillard is on the right. I copied the guy from the Powell window and put him next to himself at the Dillard window to illustrate how similarly-positioned they are in each photo. Yet, his friend visible in the Dillard is not in the Powell.
Post by Saintly Oswald
The Dillard and Powell photos seem to have been taken at nearly the same time, according the photographers' independent accounts and according to some details in the photos. But there are differences in the photos, most importantly, probably, the boxes in the sniper's nest. The difference in the boxes in the two pictures is too great to be explained by camera angle and distance. I think the Powell photo is probably the good one and the Dillard is fake, because the Dillard boxes match the official pictures of the sniper's nest. Since they wouldn't fake it to be different, the Powell is probably genuine. There are other differences involving people, but people can move quickly. Those boxes would need some time. Dillard was an "official" photographer. He was supposed to be there and would have been on the conspiracy's photographer list. Powell just happened to come on his own, and then afterwards, by his account, went around with the police because he has some kind of intelligence credentials. That might make him seem suspicious, but I think that probably is what kept him under the radar of the conspirators. They didn't get to his film in time to change the boxes to the way they wanted them. It might also imply other things, since a couple of people are visible in the Dillard who aren't visible in the Powell.
Now you're displaying a glimmer of intelligence.     You're absolutely
right... The man in both photos is Bonnie Ray Williams.  He was there
at that window BEFORE Shorty Norman or Junior Jarman arrived. James
Powell took his photo when BR Williams was there by himself....  A few
minutes later Tom Dillard snapped a very similar photo BUT at the time
Dillard took his photo Shorty Norman had joined BR Williams behind
that fifth floor window.  Incidentally.....There are several other
people behind various windows of the TSBD who are NOT visible in
Powells photo but they are visible in Dillard's photo.  When you read
the affidavits of those people you'll find that they aren't seen in
Powells photo because they hadn't got into the position behind the
various windows yet whem Powell too his photo but they had arrived at
their positions behind those windows when Tom Dillard took his photo.
I had hoped that you could stay focused on a subject long enough to
learn some facts......
One person who isn't seen in James Powell's photo is Stephen Wilson.
Wilson said that he did go to his office window
in the southeast corner of the 2nd floor of the TSBD until he heard
the motorcade on the street beneath his window. He had just had heart
surgery a couple of weeks earlier and didn't want to put any strain on
his heart, so he remained seated at his desk away from the window
until the motorcade arrived. Then he got up from behind his desk and
went to the window just as JFK's lincoln was turning onto Elm Street
from Houston Street.  I few seconds later he heard the first shot.
Wilson said that he remained there behind his second floor office
window for a long time ( about an hour?) after the shooting.
The two photos (Powell & Dillard) of the TSBD corroborate Wilson.
He's NOT visible in James Powell's photo because he was still seated
behind his desk when Powell snapped the shutter of his camera.  He IS
visible in Tom Dillard's photo because he had just got up from his
desk and went to the window moments before Dillard snapped the shutter
of his camera.  If Powell had snapped the camera shutter 30 seconds
after Dillard snapped his camera's shutter Powell's photo would show
Stephen Wilson in his office window.   This is just one person who
appears in Dillards photo but not Powell's photo who had a similar
story to tell.  In addition to their stories there is scienticically
verifiable evidence that Intelligence agent James Powell took his
photo BEFORE the motorcade arrived and  Tom Dillard took his photo
DURING the shooting.
This is exactly what I was trying to tell you!..... The authorities
lied and claimed that Dillard took his photo first and then Powell
took his photo about thirty seconds later.  They lied....Poweel took
his photo BEFORE the shooting....and Dillard took his DURING the
shooting.
Pictures of the Facade
by
Walt Cakebread
The James Powell photo has been an enigma for many researchers
since it first
appeared in Gary Shaw's book Cover up in 1976. According to Warren
Commission
Document CD 354 FBI agent George T. Binney interviewed Army
Intelligence agent
James W. Powell, just a little over a month after the murder of
President
Kennedy. During that interview, on 1 /3 / 64 they discussed a photo
of the
TSBD that Powell had snapped on the afternoon of the killing. Powell
said
that, he was about a half a block east of the intersection of Houston
and Elm
when he heard the shots. He ran to the corner and noticed people
pointing
toward the TSBD, so he raised his camera to his eye and snapped a
picture that
turned out to be quite similar to a photo taken by Tom Dillard of the
Dallas
Morning News.
The date of the interview establishes that the FBI knew about
the photo very
early in the "investigation", but they kept the photo suppressed for
thirteen
years. It wasn't until Gary Shaw obtained a copy of it through the
Freedom Of
Information Act that the photo was finally made public. The fact that
the FBI
had suppressed the photo for so long lead me to suspect that it must
hold some
very valuable information.
Powell claimed that he happened to be on the scene because he
merely wanted to
see the President and get some pictures. In examining the
circumstances
surrounding the photo, I found it very odd that an Army intelligence
agent who
purportedly was a mere spectator, near the scene of the coup d'etat,
would be
on the south side of Elm street, a half a block east of the
intersection of
Houston and Elm, at a location that placed him on the north side of
the County
Records Building, and in an extremely poor position to take a picture
of the
President. From that location he could not have seen the approaching
Motorcade
and would only have caught a fleeting glimpse of the back of the
President, as
President's car made the sharp left turn onto Elm from Houston.
In examining the photo I found evidence that demonstrated that
it had been
taken before the motorcade arrived. But that didn't seem to make any
sense, I
could not understand why a photo that had been snapped shortly before
the
Motorcade arrived would be suppressed for thirteen years, and then
displayed as
a photo that had been taken about thirty seconds after the Dillard
photo.
One of the first differences I found was; there was a Jet
aircraft vapor trail
across the sky in the Dillard Photo but there isn't one in the Powell
photo. (
The contrail is clearly visible in Dillard exhibit "B" in Volume XIX,
but it
does not appear in any of the reprints of Dillard's wide angle shot.
The
contrail across the sky is one of the reasons that the someone on the
HSCA
ruined the Dillard negatives. )
If the Powell photo was taken only thirty seconds after Dillard's
photo, the
con-trail should still be visible, because con-trails don't dissipate
in thirty
seconds.
The next discrepancy I found was in the difference in the
width of the
vertical sunlit strip on the west edge of the sixth floor window. It
appears
wider in the Powell photo than in the Dillard photo. It should appear
narrower,
because the angle from the TSBD to Powell's camera is about 32 less
than the
angle to Dillard's camera. ( The Powell angle is more acute ) If both
photos
were shot with only a 30 second interval between them the sunlit strip
should
be slightly narrower in the Powell photo, though thirty seconds in
time would
not create a noticeable difference in the width, but the difference in
camera
angles should make the strip appear narrower to Powell's camera, and
yet the
strip is wider. The only explanation for the wider sunlit strip is;
the
picture was taken several minutes earlier than the Dillard photo.
I had studied and measured the shadows being cast on the face
of the
TSBD, and knew that the Powell photo was taken before the Dillard
photo. Though
I was convinced that the Powell photo was taken earlier than the
Dillard photo,
I could not understand why he would take a picture of a nondescript
old
building, when there was so much other interesting activity in the
area. Less
than 200 feet away an ambulance was picking up a man who had had an
epileptic
seizure and there were many other things that would capture the
interest of a
spectator with a camera.
Harry Livingstone, and Robert Groden, provided the answer in
their book High
Treason. In the photo section of High Treason, they printed a blurry
blow up of
a portion of the Powell photo. The portion focuses on the S.E. corner
window of
the sixth floor of the TSBD. The blow up shows a rifle barrel
protruding from
the open window. This bit of information provided the answer for the
question;
why an Army Intelligence officer would take a picture of an old
building, just
minutes before the arrival of the President's motorcade.
An ambulance was picking up a epileptic seizure victim, and
the Motorcycle
Vanguard of the Motorcade was approaching the intersection of Houston
and Main,
the air was filled with the excitement of the moment. Most of the
spectators
attentions were focused on the ambulance with it's flashing red
lights, but a
few spectators noticed the rifle protruding from the TSBD window.
Arnold and
Barbara Rowland, Howard Brennan, Amos Euins and Mrs Walthers saw the
rifle
protruding from the window, but in the confusion of the kaleidoscope
of events
they never really had time to digest the information and establish a
time of
event sequence. Howard Brennan said he saw the rifle protruding from
the window
at the time he heard the shots, and he dived to his right off the wall
to
shield himself from the gunman. He and Euins may have even originally
said
that they saw the rifle before the arrival of the motorcade, but in
reporting
what he saw there was a subtle but significant change made to make it
appear
that they said they saw the rifle at the time of the shooting. They
could not
change the words that had been put in their mouths, and the
authorities said
that they knew that Oswald fired from the sixth floor window, so what
difference did it make if their observations were mis-quoted.
The "experts" have told us that the Powell photo was taken
about 30 seconds
after the Dillard photo, which also shows a similar view of the front
of the
Texas School Book Depository. While studying, and comparing the
shadows being
cast on the face of the building in both photos,I became convinced
that the
Powell photo was snapped several minutes before the Dillard photo, and
not 30
seconds afterwards. I knew it would be difficult to present my
finding
because, when comparing the shadows of the two photos, the difference
is
difficult to discern, ( The shadows are difficult to examine and
measure, the
width of the vertical Sun lit strip, beside the window provides an
easier to
see indicator) and many researchers simply will not accept anything
that
clashes with something that the "experts " have decreed.
The picture in High Treason made it clear that the photo was
supposed to
provide proof that Oswald had fired his rifle from the window during
the coup
d'etat. Since it was taken just minutes before the Motorcade arrived,
if it had
been the only picture of the TSBD at the time of the shooting, it
would have
been nearly impossible for anyone other than an "expert" to discern
that it was
taken at about 12:25. The conspirators failed to take into account
that
another Photographer might snap a nearly identical picture during the
shooting
which refuted the rifle protruding from the window. When the Dillard
photo was
published they knew they could not publish the Powell photo, because
the many
differences between the two photos would raise too many difficult
questions and
cause unwanted attention to be focused on the facade, so they
attempted to hide
it.
In point of fact, the Powell photo has raised many questions,
and caused
conflict among researchers since it's release. The sunlight on the
boxes in
the window and the difference in camera angles make it appear that the
boxes
are arranged differently in the two photos. Indeed it is entirely
possible that
the "gunman"changed the configuration shown in the Powell picture when
he
bumped the stack of three Rolling Readers boxes when he was pulling
the rifle
back into cramped quarters of the"Sniper's Nest"after Powell took his
picture.
(An accidental bump could have been easily moved the boxes, they
weighed less
than ten pounds)
Thanks to the recorded testimony of Miss Doris Burns on pages
398-399 in
Volume VI of Hearings we now have additional proof that the James
Powell's
photo was taken several minutes before Tom Dillard 's wide angle
photo, (
labeled Dillard Exhibit "B" in Hearings Volume XIX) and not 30 seconds
after
the shots as the "experts" have lead us to believe. Doris Burns said
that she
was in the third floor office of Macmillan Co., where she worked, when
she
heard on the radio, that the President's Motorcade was turning onto
Houston
from Main, since the windows in her office faced west she would not be
able to
see the parade from her office. She decided to walk down the hall to
the Office
of Allyn & Bacon to see the President pass by.
She testified: I listened to the radio, and by that time they
said that he was
on Main and turning at Houston or main by the courthouse, so since he
was that
close, thought , well, I guess I will go look out the window. I
didn't care
enough to go downstairs, but I thought I will go look out the
window. So I
thought I would have plenty of time, if he was just coming around Main
Street,
that I could still get around there, so I went around to American Book
Co.,
which is the office closest to us that had a window ...
Saintly Oswald
2012-12-19 09:09:25 UTC
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I think to judge the shadow lengths accurately that you would need greater resolution in the Powell. I don't see it the way you do. Also, on the jet vapor trail issue, the exhibit version I can find isn't even good enough to see Bonnie Ray Wiliams, so I can't be sure anything is a vapor trail. I do see lines above the building, but I'm not sure whether they are part of the photo or some kind of distortion. I need a better version of that.
Post by Walt
Post by Saintly Oswald
Post by Saintly Oswald
Wilson is in the Powell. You can see his hands at the window. At least, I can. In fact, simply by the position of his hands, I can tell that he is looking west down Elm, where the president had just been shot.
Wilson is in the Powell. You can see his hands at the window. At
least, I can.
Would you mind posting a link to the photo in ehich you can see
Wilsons hands?
Post by Saintly Oswald
Post by Walt
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-Ph4ptCxt6VA/UMtzipXCNUI/AAAAAAAAAk...
This is a composite I put together. Powell is on the left and Dillard is on the right. I copied the guy from the Powell window and put him next to himself at the Dillard window to illustrate how similarly-positioned they are in each photo. Yet, his friend visible in the Dillard is not in the Powell.
Post by Saintly Oswald
The Dillard and Powell photos seem to have been taken at nearly the same time, according the photographers' independent accounts and according to some details in the photos. But there are differences in the photos, most importantly, probably, the boxes in the sniper's nest. The difference in the boxes in the two pictures is too great to be explained by camera angle and distance. I think the Powell photo is probably the good one and the Dillard is fake, because the Dillard boxes match the official pictures of the sniper's nest. Since they wouldn't fake it to be different, the Powell is probably genuine. There are other differences involving people, but people can move quickly. Those boxes would need some time. Dillard was an "official" photographer. He was supposed to be there and would have been on the conspiracy's photographer list. Powell just happened to come on his own, and then afterwards, by his account, went around with the police because he has some kind of intelligence credentials. That might make him seem suspicious, but I think that probably is what kept him under the radar of the conspirators. They didn't get to his film in time to change the boxes to the way they wanted them. It might also imply other things, since a couple of people are visible in the Dillard who aren't visible in the Powell.
Now you're displaying a glimmer of intelligence.     You're absolutely
right... The man in both photos is Bonnie Ray Williams.  He was there
at that window BEFORE Shorty Norman or Junior Jarman arrived. James
Powell took his photo when BR Williams was there by himself....  A few
minutes later Tom Dillard snapped a very similar photo BUT at the time
Dillard took his photo Shorty Norman had joined BR Williams behind
that fifth floor window.  Incidentally.....There are several other
people behind various windows of the TSBD who are NOT visible in
Powells photo but they are visible in Dillard's photo.  When you read
the affidavits of those people you'll find that they aren't seen in
Powells photo because they hadn't got into the position behind the
various windows yet whem Powell too his photo but they had arrived at
their positions behind those windows when Tom Dillard took his photo.
I had hoped that you could stay focused on a subject long enough to
learn some facts......
One person who isn't seen in James Powell's photo is Stephen Wilson.
Wilson said that he did go to his office window
in the southeast corner of the 2nd floor of the TSBD until he heard
the motorcade on the street beneath his window. He had just had heart
surgery a couple of weeks earlier and didn't want to put any strain on
his heart, so he remained seated at his desk away from the window
until the motorcade arrived. Then he got up from behind his desk and
went to the window just as JFK's lincoln was turning onto Elm Street
from Houston Street.  I few seconds later he heard the first shot.
Wilson said that he remained there behind his second floor office
window for a long time ( about an hour?) after the shooting.
The two photos (Powell & Dillard) of the TSBD corroborate Wilson.
He's NOT visible in James Powell's photo because he was still seated
behind his desk when Powell snapped the shutter of his camera.  He IS
visible in Tom Dillard's photo because he had just got up from his
desk and went to the window moments before Dillard snapped the shutter
of his camera.  If Powell had snapped the camera shutter 30 seconds
after Dillard snapped his camera's shutter Powell's photo would show
Stephen Wilson in his office window.   This is just one person who
appears in Dillards photo but not Powell's photo who had a similar
story to tell.  In addition to their stories there is scienticically
verifiable evidence that Intelligence agent James Powell took his
photo BEFORE the motorcade arrived and  Tom Dillard took his photo
DURING the shooting.
This is exactly what I was trying to tell you!..... The authorities
lied and claimed that Dillard took his photo first and then Powell
took his photo about thirty seconds later.  They lied....Poweel took
his photo BEFORE the shooting....and Dillard took his DURING the
shooting.
Pictures of the Facade
by
Walt Cakebread
The James Powell photo has been an enigma for many researchers
since it first
appeared in Gary Shaw's book Cover up in 1976. According to Warren
Commission
Document CD 354 FBI agent George T. Binney interviewed Army
Intelligence agent
James W. Powell, just a little over a month after the murder of
President
Kennedy. During that interview, on 1 /3 / 64 they discussed a photo
of the
TSBD that Powell had snapped on the afternoon of the killing. Powell
said
that, he was about a half a block east of the intersection of Houston
and Elm
when he heard the shots. He ran to the corner and noticed people
pointing
toward the TSBD, so he raised his camera to his eye and snapped a
picture that
turned out to be quite similar to a photo taken by Tom Dillard of the
Dallas
Morning News.
The date of the interview establishes that the FBI knew about
the photo very
early in the "investigation", but they kept the photo suppressed for
thirteen
years. It wasn't until Gary Shaw obtained a copy of it through the
Freedom Of
Information Act that the photo was finally made public. The fact that
the FBI
had suppressed the photo for so long lead me to suspect that it must
hold some
very valuable information.
Powell claimed that he happened to be on the scene because he
merely wanted to
see the President and get some pictures. In examining the
circumstances
surrounding the photo, I found it very odd that an Army intelligence
agent who
purportedly was a mere spectator, near the scene of the coup d'etat,
would be
on the south side of Elm street, a half a block east of the
intersection of
Houston and Elm, at a location that placed him on the north side of
the County
Records Building, and in an extremely poor position to take a picture
of the
President. From that location he could not have seen the approaching
Motorcade
and would only have caught a fleeting glimpse of the back of the
President, as
President's car made the sharp left turn onto Elm from Houston.
In examining the photo I found evidence that demonstrated that
it had been
taken before the motorcade arrived. But that didn't seem to make any
sense, I
could not understand why a photo that had been snapped shortly before
the
Motorcade arrived would be suppressed for thirteen years, and then
displayed as
a photo that had been taken about thirty seconds after the Dillard
photo.
One of the first differences I found was; there was a Jet
aircraft vapor trail
across the sky in the Dillard Photo but there isn't one in the Powell
photo. (
The contrail is clearly visible in Dillard exhibit "B" in Volume XIX,
but it
does not appear in any of the reprints of Dillard's wide angle shot.
The
contrail across the sky is one of the reasons that the someone on the
HSCA
ruined the Dillard negatives. )
If the Powell photo was taken only thirty seconds after Dillard's
photo, the
con-trail should still be visible, because con-trails don't dissipate
in thirty
seconds.
The next discrepancy I found was in the difference in the
width of the
vertical sunlit strip on the west edge of the sixth floor window. It
appears
wider in the Powell photo than in the Dillard photo. It should appear
narrower,
because the angle from the TSBD to Powell's camera is about 32 less
than the
angle to Dillard's camera. ( The Powell angle is more acute ) If both
photos
were shot with only a 30 second interval between them the sunlit strip
should
be slightly narrower in the Powell photo, though thirty seconds in
time would
not create a noticeable difference in the width, but the difference in
camera
angles should make the strip appear narrower to Powell's camera, and
yet the
strip is wider. The only explanation for the wider sunlit strip is;
the
picture was taken several minutes earlier than the Dillard photo.
I had studied and measured the shadows being cast on the face
of the
TSBD, and knew that the Powell photo was taken before the Dillard
photo. Though
I was convinced that the Powell photo was taken earlier than the
Dillard photo,
I could not understand why he would take a picture of a nondescript
old
building, when there was so much other interesting activity in the
area. Less
than 200 feet away an ambulance was picking up a man who had had an
epileptic
seizure and there were many other things that would capture the
interest of a
spectator with a camera.
Harry Livingstone, and Robert Groden, provided the answer in
their book High
Treason. In the photo section of High Treason, they printed a blurry
blow up of
a portion of the Powell photo. The portion focuses on the S.E. corner
window of
the sixth floor of the TSBD. The blow up shows a rifle barrel
protruding from
the open window. This bit of information provided the answer for the
question;
why an Army Intelligence officer would take a picture of an old
building, just
minutes before the arrival of the President's motorcade.
An ambulance was picking up a epileptic seizure victim, and
the Motorcycle
Vanguard of the Motorcade was approaching the intersection of Houston
and Main,
the air was filled with the excitement of the moment. Most of the
spectators
attentions were focused on the ambulance with it's flashing red
lights, but a
few spectators noticed the rifle protruding from the TSBD window.
Arnold and
Barbara Rowland, Howard Brennan, Amos Euins and Mrs Walthers saw the
rifle
protruding from the window, but in the confusion of the kaleidoscope
of events
they never really had time to digest the information and establish a
time of
event sequence. Howard Brennan said he saw the rifle protruding from
the window
at the time he heard the shots, and he dived to his right off the wall
to
shield himself from the gunman. He and Euins may have even originally
said
that they saw the rifle before the arrival of the motorcade, but in
reporting
what he saw there was a subtle but significant change made to make it
appear
that they said they saw the rifle at the time of the shooting. They
could not
change the words that had been put in their mouths, and the
authorities said
that they knew that Oswald fired from the sixth floor window, so what
difference did it make if their observations were mis-quoted.
The "experts" have told us that the Powell photo was taken
about 30 seconds
after the Dillard photo, which also shows a similar view of the front
of the
Texas School Book Depository. While studying, and comparing the
shadows being
cast on the face of the building in both photos,I became convinced
that the
Powell photo was snapped several minutes before the Dillard photo, and
not 30
seconds afterwards. I knew it would be difficult to present my
finding
because, when comparing the shadows of the two photos, the difference
is
difficult to discern, ( The shadows are difficult to examine and
measure, the
width of the vertical Sun lit strip, beside the window provides an
easier to
see indicator) and many researchers simply will not accept anything
that
clashes with something that the "experts " have decreed.
The picture in High Treason made it clear that the photo was
supposed to
provide proof that Oswald had fired his rifle from the window during
the coup
d'etat. Since it was taken just minutes before the Motorcade arrived,
if it had
been the only picture of the TSBD at the time of the shooting, it
would have
been nearly impossible for anyone other than an "expert" to discern
that it was
taken at about 12:25. The conspirators failed to take into account
that
another Photographer might snap a nearly identical picture during the
shooting
which refuted the rifle protruding from the window. When the Dillard
photo was
published they knew they could not publish the Powell photo, because
the many
differences between the two photos would raise too many difficult
questions and
cause unwanted attention to be focused on the facade, so they
attempted to hide
it.
In point of fact, the Powell photo has raised many questions,
and caused
conflict among researchers since it's release. The sunlight on the
boxes in
the window and the difference in camera angles make it appear that the
boxes
are arranged differently in the two photos. Indeed it is entirely
possible that
the "gunman"changed the configuration shown in the Powell picture when
he
bumped the stack of three Rolling Readers boxes when he was pulling
the rifle
back into cramped quarters of the"Sniper's Nest"after Powell took his
picture.
(An accidental bump could have been easily moved the boxes, they
weighed less
than ten pounds)
Thanks to the recorded testimony of Miss Doris Burns on pages
398-399 in
Volume VI of Hearings we now have additional proof that the James
Powell's
photo was taken several minutes before Tom Dillard 's wide angle
photo, (
labeled Dillard Exhibit "B" in Hearings Volume XIX) and not 30 seconds
after
the shots as the "experts" have lead us to believe. Doris Burns said
that she
was in the third floor office of Macmillan Co., where she worked, when
she
heard on the radio, that the President's Motorcade was turning onto
Houston
from Main, since the windows in her office faced west she would not be
able to
see the parade from her office. She decided to walk down the hall to
the Office
of Allyn & Bacon to see the President pass by.
She testified: I listened to the radio, and by that time they
said that he was
on Main and turning at Houston or main by the courthouse, so since he
was that
close, thought , well, I guess I will go look out the window. I
didn't care
enough to go downstairs, but I thought I will go look out the
window. So I
thought I would have plenty of time, if he was just coming around Main
Street,
that I could still get around there, so I went around to American Book
Co.,
which is the office closest to us that had a window ...
Walt
2012-12-19 14:23:23 UTC
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I think to judge the shadow lengths accurately that you would need greater resolution in the Powell. I don't see it the way you do. Also, on the jet vapor trail issue, the exhibit version I can find isn't even good enough to see Bonnie Ray Wiliams, so I can't be sure anything is a vapor trail. I do see lines above the building, but I'm not sure whether they are part of the photo or some kind of distortion. I need a better version of that.
In a color print the white contrail across the blue sky is very clear.
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Wilson is in the Powell. You can see his hands at the window. At least, I can. In fact, simply by the position of his hands, I can tell that he is looking west down Elm, where the president had just been shot.
Wilson is in the Powell. You can see his hands at the window. At
least, I can.
Would you mind posting a link to the photo in ehich you can see
Wilsons hands?
Post by Saintly Oswald
Post by Walt
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-Ph4ptCxt6VA/UMtzipXCNUI/AAAAAAAAAk...
This is a composite I put together. Powell is on the left and Dillard is on the right. I copied the guy from the Powell window and put him next to himself at the Dillard window to illustrate how similarly-positioned they are in each photo. Yet, his friend visible in the Dillard is not in the Powell.
Post by Saintly Oswald
The Dillard and Powell photos seem to have been taken at nearly the same time, according the photographers' independent accounts and according to some details in the photos. But there are differences in the photos, most importantly, probably, the boxes in the sniper's nest. The difference in the boxes in the two pictures is too great to be explained by camera angle and distance. I think the Powell photo is probably the good one and the Dillard is fake, because the Dillard boxes match the official pictures of the sniper's nest. Since they wouldn't fake it to be different, the Powell is probably genuine. There are other differences involving people, but people can move quickly. Those boxes would need some time. Dillard was an "official" photographer. He was supposed to be there and would have been on the conspiracy's photographer list. Powell just happened to come on his own, and then afterwards, by his account, went around with the police because he has some kind of intelligence credentials. That might make him seem suspicious, but I think that probably is what kept him under the radar of the conspirators. They didn't get to his film in time to change the boxes to the way they wanted them. It might also imply other things, since a couple of people are visible in the Dillard who aren't visible in the Powell.
Now you're displaying a glimmer of intelligence.     You're absolutely
right... The man in both photos is Bonnie Ray Williams.  He was there
at that window BEFORE Shorty Norman or Junior Jarman arrived. James
Powell took his photo when BR Williams was there by himself....  A few
minutes later Tom Dillard snapped a very similar photo BUT at the time
Dillard took his photo Shorty Norman had joined BR Williams behind
that fifth floor window.  Incidentally.....There are several other
people behind various windows of the TSBD who are NOT visible in
Powells photo but they are visible in Dillard's photo.  When you read
the affidavits of those people you'll find that they aren't seen in
Powells photo because they hadn't got into the position behind the
various windows yet whem Powell too his photo but they had arrived at
their positions behind those windows when Tom Dillard took his photo.
I had hoped that you could stay focused on a subject long enough to
learn some facts......
One person who isn't seen in James Powell's photo is Stephen Wilson.
Wilson said that he did go to his office window
in the southeast corner of the 2nd floor of the TSBD until he heard
the motorcade on the street beneath his window. He had just had heart
surgery a couple of weeks earlier and didn't want to put any strain on
his heart, so he remained seated at his desk away from the window
until the motorcade arrived. Then he got up from behind his desk and
went to the window just as JFK's lincoln was turning onto Elm Street
from Houston Street.  I few seconds later he heard the first shot.
Wilson said that he remained there behind his second floor office
window for a long time ( about an hour?) after the shooting.
The two photos (Powell & Dillard) of the TSBD corroborate Wilson.
He's NOT visible in James Powell's photo because he was still seated
behind his desk when Powell snapped the shutter of his camera.  He IS
visible in Tom Dillard's photo because he had just got up from his
desk and went to the window moments before Dillard snapped the shutter
of his camera.  If Powell had snapped the camera shutter 30 seconds
after Dillard snapped his camera's shutter Powell's photo would show
Stephen Wilson in his office window.   This is just one person who
appears in Dillards photo but not Powell's photo who had a similar
story to tell.  In addition to their stories there is scienticically
verifiable evidence that Intelligence agent James Powell took his
photo BEFORE the motorcade arrived and  Tom Dillard took his photo
DURING the shooting.
This is exactly what I was trying to tell you!..... The authorities
lied and claimed that Dillard took his photo first and then Powell
took his photo about thirty seconds later.  They lied....Poweel took
his photo BEFORE the shooting....and Dillard took his DURING the
shooting.
  Pictures of the Facade
                                                by
                                           Walt  Cakebread
        The James Powell photo has been an enigma for many researchers
since it first
appeared in Gary Shaw's book Cover up in 1976.   According to Warren
Commission
Document CD 354 FBI agent George T. Binney interviewed Army
Intelligence agent
James W. Powell, just a little over a month after the murder of
President
Kennedy.  During that interview, on 1 /3 / 64 they discussed a photo
of the
TSBD that Powell had snapped on the afternoon of the killing.  Powell
said
that, he was about a half a block east of the intersection of Houston
and Elm
when he heard the shots.  He ran to the corner and noticed people
pointing
toward the TSBD, so he raised his camera to his eye and snapped a
picture that
turned out to be quite similar to a photo taken by Tom Dillard of the
Dallas
Morning  News.
        The date of the interview establishes that the FBI knew about
the photo very
early in the "investigation", but they kept the photo suppressed for
thirteen
years.  It wasn't until Gary Shaw obtained a copy of it through the
Freedom Of
Information Act  that the photo was finally made public. The fact that
the FBI
had suppressed the photo for so long lead me to suspect that it must
hold some
very valuable information.
        Powell claimed that he happened to be on the scene because he
merely wanted to
see the President and get some pictures. In examining the
circumstances
surrounding the photo, I found it very odd that an Army intelligence
agent who
purportedly was a mere spectator, near the scene of the coup d'etat,
would be
on the south side of Elm street, a half a block east of the
intersection of
Houston and Elm, at a  location that placed him on the north side of
the County
Records Building, and in an extremely poor position to take a picture
of the
President.  From that location he could not have seen the approaching
Motorcade
and would only have caught a fleeting glimpse of the back of the
President, as
President's car made the sharp left turn onto Elm from Houston.
        In examining the photo I found evidence that demonstrated that
it had been
taken before the motorcade arrived. But that didn't seem to make any
sense, I
could not understand why a photo that had been snapped shortly before
the
Motorcade arrived would be suppressed for thirteen years, and then
displayed as
...
read more »
Saintly Oswald
2012-12-19 08:46:42 UTC
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I take that to be Wilson standing with his hands down on both sides, body presumably angled west. Loading Image... . Can't see the body or head, though.
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Wilson is in the Powell. You can see his hands at the window. At least, I can. In fact, simply by the position of his hands, I can tell that he is looking west down Elm, where the president had just been shot.
Wilson is in the Powell. You can see his hands at the window. At
least, I can.
Would you mind posting a link to the photo in ehich you can see
Wilsons hands?
Post by Saintly Oswald
Post by Walt
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-Ph4ptCxt6VA/UMtzipXCNUI/AAAAAAAAAk...
This is a composite I put together. Powell is on the left and Dillard is on the right. I copied the guy from the Powell window and put him next to himself at the Dillard window to illustrate how similarly-positioned they are in each photo. Yet, his friend visible in the Dillard is not in the Powell.
Post by Saintly Oswald
The Dillard and Powell photos seem to have been taken at nearly the same time, according the photographers' independent accounts and according to some details in the photos. But there are differences in the photos, most importantly, probably, the boxes in the sniper's nest. The difference in the boxes in the two pictures is too great to be explained by camera angle and distance. I think the Powell photo is probably the good one and the Dillard is fake, because the Dillard boxes match the official pictures of the sniper's nest. Since they wouldn't fake it to be different, the Powell is probably genuine. There are other differences involving people, but people can move quickly. Those boxes would need some time. Dillard was an "official" photographer. He was supposed to be there and would have been on the conspiracy's photographer list. Powell just happened to come on his own, and then afterwards, by his account, went around with the police because he has some kind of intelligence credentials. That might make him seem suspicious, but I think that probably is what kept him under the radar of the conspirators. They didn't get to his film in time to change the boxes to the way they wanted them. It might also imply other things, since a couple of people are visible in the Dillard who aren't visible in the Powell.
Now you're displaying a glimmer of intelligence.     You're absolutely
right... The man in both photos is Bonnie Ray Williams.  He was there
at that window BEFORE Shorty Norman or Junior Jarman arrived. James
Powell took his photo when BR Williams was there by himself....  A few
minutes later Tom Dillard snapped a very similar photo BUT at the time
Dillard took his photo Shorty Norman had joined BR Williams behind
that fifth floor window.  Incidentally.....There are several other
people behind various windows of the TSBD who are NOT visible in
Powells photo but they are visible in Dillard's photo.  When you read
the affidavits of those people you'll find that they aren't seen in
Powells photo because they hadn't got into the position behind the
various windows yet whem Powell too his photo but they had arrived at
their positions behind those windows when Tom Dillard took his photo.
I had hoped that you could stay focused on a subject long enough to
learn some facts......
One person who isn't seen in James Powell's photo is Stephen Wilson.
Wilson said that he did go to his office window
in the southeast corner of the 2nd floor of the TSBD until he heard
the motorcade on the street beneath his window. He had just had heart
surgery a couple of weeks earlier and didn't want to put any strain on
his heart, so he remained seated at his desk away from the window
until the motorcade arrived. Then he got up from behind his desk and
went to the window just as JFK's lincoln was turning onto Elm Street
from Houston Street.  I few seconds later he heard the first shot.
Wilson said that he remained there behind his second floor office
window for a long time ( about an hour?) after the shooting.
The two photos (Powell & Dillard) of the TSBD corroborate Wilson.
He's NOT visible in James Powell's photo because he was still seated
behind his desk when Powell snapped the shutter of his camera.  He IS
visible in Tom Dillard's photo because he had just got up from his
desk and went to the window moments before Dillard snapped the shutter
of his camera.  If Powell had snapped the camera shutter 30 seconds
after Dillard snapped his camera's shutter Powell's photo would show
Stephen Wilson in his office window.   This is just one person who
appears in Dillards photo but not Powell's photo who had a similar
story to tell.  In addition to their stories there is scienticically
verifiable evidence that Intelligence agent James Powell took his
photo BEFORE the motorcade arrived and  Tom Dillard took his photo
DURING the shooting.
This is exactly what I was trying to tell you!..... The authorities
lied and claimed that Dillard took his photo first and then Powell
took his photo about thirty seconds later.  They lied....Poweel took
his photo BEFORE the shooting....and Dillard took his DURING the
shooting.
Saintly Oswald
2012-12-14 22:25:53 UTC
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It is interesting that the WC asked Dillard if he actually saw these people in the window when he took his picture. His answer was that he saw them when he made his picture. He couldn't say he saw them when he snapped the shutter. Why would they ask him this if they weren't aware of the problem posed by the Powell photo? The Warren Commission did not call Powell.
Post by Saintly Oswald
The Dillard and Powell photos seem to have been taken at nearly the same time, according the photographers' independent accounts and according to some details in the photos. But there are differences in the photos, most importantly, probably, the boxes in the sniper's nest. The difference in the boxes in the two pictures is too great to be explained by camera angle and distance. I think the Powell photo is probably the good one and the Dillard is fake, because the Dillard boxes match the official pictures of the sniper's nest. Since they wouldn't fake it to be different, the Powell is probably genuine. There are other differences involving people, but people can move quickly. Those boxes would need some time. Dillard was an "official" photographer. He was supposed to be there and would have been on the conspiracy's photographer list. Powell just happened to come on his own, and then afterwards, by his account, went around with the police because he has some kind of intelligence credentials. That might make him seem suspicious, but I think that probably is what kept him under the radar of the conspirators. They didn't get to his film in time to change the boxes to the way they wanted them. It might also imply other things, since a couple of people are visible in the Dillard who aren't visible in the Powell.
Walt
2012-12-15 02:13:40 UTC
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Post by Saintly Oswald
It is interesting that the WC asked Dillard if he actually saw these people in the window when he took his picture. His answer was that he saw them when he made his picture. He couldn't say he saw them when he snapped the shutter. Why would they ask him this if they weren't aware of the problem posed by the Powell photo? The Warren Commission did not call Powell.
Keep in mind that the Warren Commission LIED!
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Post by Saintly Oswald
The Dillard and Powell photos seem to have been taken at nearly the same time, according the photographers' independent accounts and according to some details in the photos. But there are differences in the photos, most importantly, probably, the boxes in the sniper's nest. The difference in the boxes in the two pictures is too great to be explained by camera angle and distance. I think the Powell photo is probably the good one and the Dillard is fake, because the Dillard boxes match the official pictures of the sniper's nest. Since they wouldn't fake it to be different, the Powell is probably genuine. There are other differences involving people, but people can move quickly. Those boxes would need some time. Dillard was an "official" photographer. He was supposed to be there and would have been on the conspiracy's photographer list. Powell just happened to come on his own, and then afterwards, by his account, went around with the police because he has some kind of intelligence credentials. That might make him seem suspicious, but I think that probably is what kept him under the radar of the conspirators. They didn't get to his film in time to change the boxes to the way they wanted them. It might also imply other things, since a couple of people are visible in the Dillard who aren't visible in the Powell.
Saintly Oswald
2012-12-14 22:36:08 UTC
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In my opinion, the faking of the Dillard doesn't mean nobody was there shooting. Dillard's friend saw the gun. Other witnesses saw the gun and the man. Many people heard shots from there. The Powell photo seems to show the gun. Perhaps the authorities messed up the sniper's nest, and then put it together again, and wanted the photograph to look right so that they didn't look like idiots messing up the evidence. Possibly, that's all.
Post by Saintly Oswald
The Dillard and Powell photos seem to have been taken at nearly the same time, according the photographers' independent accounts and according to some details in the photos. But there are differences in the photos, most importantly, probably, the boxes in the sniper's nest. The difference in the boxes in the two pictures is too great to be explained by camera angle and distance. I think the Powell photo is probably the good one and the Dillard is fake, because the Dillard boxes match the official pictures of the sniper's nest. Since they wouldn't fake it to be different, the Powell is probably genuine. There are other differences involving people, but people can move quickly. Those boxes would need some time. Dillard was an "official" photographer. He was supposed to be there and would have been on the conspiracy's photographer list. Powell just happened to come on his own, and then afterwards, by his account, went around with the police because he has some kind of intelligence credentials. That might make him seem suspicious, but I think that probably is what kept him under the radar of the conspirators. They didn't get to his film in time to change the boxes to the way they wanted them. It might also imply other things, since a couple of people are visible in the Dillard who aren't visible in the Powell.
David Von Pein
2012-12-15 01:25:15 UTC
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"Perhaps the authorities messed up the sniper's nest..." <<<
So, you think the cops were in the Sniper's Nest within 1 minute of
the shooting, eh?

(Do CTers ever THINK before posting their claptrap?)
dcw
2012-12-16 19:30:20 UTC
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Post by Saintly Oswald
In my opinion, the faking of the Dillard doesn't mean nobody was there shooting. Dillard's friend saw the gun. Other witnesses saw the gun and the man. Many people heard shots from there.
Most witnesses thought the window was wide-open: Brennan, Jackson, Couch, Fischer, Edwards. The 6th-floor "nest" window was not wide open....
dcw


The Powell photo seems to show the gun. Perhaps the authorities messed up the sniper's nest, and then put it together again, and wanted the photograph to look right so that they didn't look like idiots messing up the evidence. Possibly, that's all.
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Post by Saintly Oswald
The Dillard and Powell photos seem to have been taken at nearly the same time, according the photographers' independent accounts and according to some details in the photos. But there are differences in the photos, most importantly, probably, the boxes in the sniper's nest. The difference in the boxes in the two pictures is too great to be explained by camera angle and distance. I think the Powell photo is probably the good one and the Dillard is fake, because the Dillard boxes match the official pictures of the sniper's nest. Since they wouldn't fake it to be different, the Powell is probably genuine. There are other differences involving people, but people can move quickly. Those boxes would need some time. Dillard was an "official" photographer. He was supposed to be there and would have been on the conspiracy's photographer list. Powell just happened to come on his own, and then afterwards, by his account, went around with the police because he has some kind of intelligence credentials. That might make him seem suspicious, but I think that probably is what kept him under the radar of the conspirators. They didn't get to his film in time to change the boxes to the way they wanted them. It might also imply other things, since a couple of people are visible in the Dillard who aren't visible in the Powell.
Walt
2012-12-15 01:46:15 UTC
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Post by Saintly Oswald
The Dillard and Powell photos seem to have been taken at nearly the same time, according the photographers' independent accounts and according to some details in the photos. But there are differences in the photos, most importantly, probably, the boxes in the sniper's nest. The difference in the boxes in the two pictures is too great to be explained by camera angle and distance. I think the Powell photo is probably the good one and the Dillard is fake, because the Dillard boxes match the official pictures of the sniper's nest. Since they wouldn't fake it to be different, the Powell is probably genuine. There are other differences involving people, but people can move quickly. Those boxes would need some time. Dillard was an "official" photographer. He was supposed to be there and would have been on the conspiracy's photographer list. Powell just happened to come on his own, and then afterwards, by his account, went around with the police because he has some kind of intelligence credentials. That might make him seem suspicious, but I think that probably is what kept him under the radar of the conspirators. They didn't get to his film in time to change the boxes to the way they wanted them. It might also imply other things, since a couple of people are visible in the Dillard who aren't visible in the Powell.
You seem to be confused..... Powell didn't just happen to take a photo
of the TSBD BEFORE the shooting. And if you do some research you'll
learn that James Powell took his photo BEFORE the Presidential Lincoln
arrived on Houiston Street. Powell was an intellgent agent and was
one of the very select few people who weren't with a law enforcement
agency that was allowed inside the TSBD after the shooting. WHY??
What credentials allowed James Powell the right to enter a crime
scene??
David Von Pein
2012-12-15 01:58:42 UTC
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Why on Earth would Powell have snapped a pic of the upper TSBD floors
BEFORE the assassination?

You're nuts.
David Von Pein
2012-12-15 02:01:17 UTC
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http://kennedy-photos.blogspot.com/2012/06/kennedy-gallery-050.html
Walt
2012-12-15 02:23:43 UTC
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Post by David Von Pein
Why on Earth would Powell have snapped a pic of the upper TSBD floors
BEFORE the assassination?
You're nuts.
Powell thought he was taking a photo that would later be used to
"prove" that Lee Oswald had fired his rifle from that window......If
you look closly you'll see what appears to be a rifle barrel
protruding from the so called "Sniper's Nest" window in Powell's
photo. The conspirators intended to display Powell's photo as proof
that Oswald had fired from that window. Unfortunately Tom Dillard
took a nearly identical photo DURING the shooting and the authoriries
didn't want BOTH photos available to the public because experts would
have compared the two photos and reported that the Powell photo was
taken BEFORE the Dillard photo and that would have made it impossible
for them to lie about what the Dillard photo shows...... Which
is:.....There was NOBODY behind that window AT THE TIME of the
shooting.
David Von Pein
2012-12-15 02:27:25 UTC
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Kook.
Walt
2012-12-15 02:55:46 UTC
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Kook.
Re: The lunacy at Sandy Hook Elementary school in Connecticut.....
Obviously Rossley isn't the only lunatic who resides in Connecticut.
Isn't Rossley the lunatic who posts about putting people in his wood
chipper?
Jason Burke
2012-12-15 03:52:14 UTC
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Post by Walt
Kook.
Re: The lunacy at Sandy Hook Elementary school in Connecticut.....
Obviously Rossley isn't the only lunatic who resides in Connecticut.
Isn't Rossley the lunatic who posts about putting people in his wood
chipper?
Wouldn't be surprised if Rossfuck took credit for programming Lanza.
Saintly Oswald
2012-12-15 07:30:28 UTC
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Then, the explanation for the boxes, Walt, would be what? Why are they in a different arrangement "during the shooting" than they were "before the president's limo got to Houston Street?" Doesn't this mean that there WAS somebody up there during the shooting, whoever it was?
Post by Walt
Post by David Von Pein
Why on Earth would Powell have snapped a pic of the upper TSBD floors
BEFORE the assassination?
You're nuts.
Powell thought he was taking a photo that would later be used to
"prove" that Lee Oswald had fired his rifle from that window......If
you look closly you'll see what appears to be a rifle barrel
protruding from the so called "Sniper's Nest" window in Powell's
photo. The conspirators intended to display Powell's photo as proof
that Oswald had fired from that window. Unfortunately Tom Dillard
took a nearly identical photo DURING the shooting and the authoriries
didn't want BOTH photos available to the public because experts would
have compared the two photos and reported that the Powell photo was
taken BEFORE the Dillard photo and that would have made it impossible
for them to lie about what the Dillard photo shows...... Which
is:.....There was NOBODY behind that window AT THE TIME of the
shooting.
Walt
2012-12-15 15:08:57 UTC
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Post by Saintly Oswald
Then, the explanation for the boxes, Walt, would be what? Why are they in a different arrangement "during the shooting" than they were "before the president's limo got to Houston Street?" Doesn't this mean that there WAS somebody up there during the shooting, whoever it was?
The box has beem moved in the interval between the Powell photo and
the Dillard photo..... Someone was in that east corner window just as
the Presidential Lincoln rounded the corner from Main street onto
Houston street. The man who stuck that rifle out of the window to
enable Powell to get a photo of "Oswald's rifle being fired from the
window" knew that all eyes on the street would be focused on the
arriving motorcade. He stuck the rifle out of the window and then
withdrew it hastily. In his haste he bumped the top box of a stack of
boxes that some loafer (TSBD employee) had used for a "lunch table" in
the hidden Smoker's Nook. A couple of minutes later when Tom Dillard
took his photo DURING the shooting the box was in the position the man
had bumped it to in his haste to get out of there.

Howard Brennan swore in an affidavit that he saw a man who DID NOT fit
the description of Lee Oswald "STANDING" erect and aiming a rifle out
of a window. Brennan said that he could see all of the barrel of the
"HIGH POWERED" rifle from the muzzle all the way back to the man's
left hand as he aimed the rifle from the window. Brennan's
DESCRIPTION can only apply to the WIDE OPEN WEST end window. There
was NOBODY behind the EAST end window at the time of the murder.
Post by Saintly Oswald
Post by Walt
Post by David Von Pein
Why on Earth would Powell have snapped a pic of the upper TSBD floors
BEFORE the assassination?
You're nuts.
Powell thought he was taking a photo that would later be used to
"prove" that Lee Oswald had fired his rifle from that window......If
you look closly you'll see what appears to be a rifle barrel
protruding from the so called "Sniper's Nest" window in Powell's
photo.   The conspirators intended to display Powell's photo as proof
that Oswald had fired from that window.  Unfortunately Tom Dillard
took a nearly identical photo DURING the shooting and the authoriries
didn't want BOTH photos available to the public because experts would
have compared the two photos and reported that the Powell photo was
taken BEFORE the Dillard photo and that would have made it impossible
for them to lie about what the Dillard photo shows...... Which
is:.....There was NOBODY behind that window AT THE TIME of the
shooting.
Saintly Oswald
2012-12-15 08:05:16 UTC
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Actually, Walt, I think your explanation of the narrow issue of the relative timing of the photos makes more sense than mine that the Dillard was later altered. This could explain Dillard's weird testimony very well, how it carefully doesn't give the game away, and yet Dillard doesn't perjure himself, either. Perhaps their plan was to build the sniper's nest after the Powell photo and they simply didn't realize the problem that would create.
Post by Walt
Post by David Von Pein
Why on Earth would Powell have snapped a pic of the upper TSBD floors
BEFORE the assassination?
You're nuts.
Powell thought he was taking a photo that would later be used to
"prove" that Lee Oswald had fired his rifle from that window......If
you look closly you'll see what appears to be a rifle barrel
protruding from the so called "Sniper's Nest" window in Powell's
photo. The conspirators intended to display Powell's photo as proof
that Oswald had fired from that window. Unfortunately Tom Dillard
took a nearly identical photo DURING the shooting and the authoriries
didn't want BOTH photos available to the public because experts would
have compared the two photos and reported that the Powell photo was
taken BEFORE the Dillard photo and that would have made it impossible
for them to lie about what the Dillard photo shows...... Which
is:.....There was NOBODY behind that window AT THE TIME of the
shooting.
Saintly Oswald
2012-12-15 08:29:26 UTC
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But, I don't think this would exonerate Oswald. The guys on the 5th floor probably didn't lie about the shooting from above. Many other witnesses testified to the shots coming from there. The plan, probably, was to leave an unmistakable trail to be found later, while not exposing themselves in real time, so they could make the getaway. Somebody probably was there shooting, perhaps a bit back from the window, perhaps with blanks. Perhaps it was Oswald.
Post by Saintly Oswald
Actually, Walt, I think your explanation of the narrow issue of the relative timing of the photos makes more sense than mine that the Dillard was later altered. This could explain Dillard's weird testimony very well, how it carefully doesn't give the game away, and yet Dillard doesn't perjure himself, either. Perhaps their plan was to build the sniper's nest after the Powell photo and they simply didn't realize the problem that would create.
Post by Walt
Post by David Von Pein
Why on Earth would Powell have snapped a pic of the upper TSBD floors
BEFORE the assassination?
You're nuts.
Powell thought he was taking a photo that would later be used to
"prove" that Lee Oswald had fired his rifle from that window......If
you look closly you'll see what appears to be a rifle barrel
protruding from the so called "Sniper's Nest" window in Powell's
photo. The conspirators intended to display Powell's photo as proof
that Oswald had fired from that window. Unfortunately Tom Dillard
took a nearly identical photo DURING the shooting and the authoriries
didn't want BOTH photos available to the public because experts would
have compared the two photos and reported that the Powell photo was
taken BEFORE the Dillard photo and that would have made it impossible
for them to lie about what the Dillard photo shows...... Which
is:.....There was NOBODY behind that window AT THE TIME of the
shooting.
Saintly Oswald
2012-12-15 09:45:33 UTC
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Well, I don't know, now. The Powell photo I have doesn't have the resolution of the Dillard, but the three people I can see in the windows all appear to be looking west down Elm. If this Powell photo had been taken when Walt claims, before the presidential limo had turned onto Houston, you would expect there to be more interest in the direction of Houston Street. I'm not sure that my original interpretation is wrong. Trying to determine the timing of the photo based upon who you can see in the windows and their testimonies about where there were at what times can be very tricky. Somebody could very well be there, and you still wouldn't see them in the photo. Certainty of a conclusion here seems elusive. But, Greer certainly did shoot JFK.
Post by Saintly Oswald
But, I don't think this would exonerate Oswald. The guys on the 5th floor probably didn't lie about the shooting from above. Many other witnesses testified to the shots coming from there. The plan, probably, was to leave an unmistakable trail to be found later, while not exposing themselves in real time, so they could make the getaway. Somebody probably was there shooting, perhaps a bit back from the window, perhaps with blanks. Perhaps it was Oswald.
Post by Saintly Oswald
Actually, Walt, I think your explanation of the narrow issue of the relative timing of the photos makes more sense than mine that the Dillard was later altered. This could explain Dillard's weird testimony very well, how it carefully doesn't give the game away, and yet Dillard doesn't perjure himself, either. Perhaps their plan was to build the sniper's nest after the Powell photo and they simply didn't realize the problem that would create.
Post by Walt
Post by David Von Pein
Why on Earth would Powell have snapped a pic of the upper TSBD floors
BEFORE the assassination?
You're nuts.
Powell thought he was taking a photo that would later be used to
"prove" that Lee Oswald had fired his rifle from that window......If
you look closly you'll see what appears to be a rifle barrel
protruding from the so called "Sniper's Nest" window in Powell's
photo. The conspirators intended to display Powell's photo as proof
that Oswald had fired from that window. Unfortunately Tom Dillard
took a nearly identical photo DURING the shooting and the authoriries
didn't want BOTH photos available to the public because experts would
have compared the two photos and reported that the Powell photo was
taken BEFORE the Dillard photo and that would have made it impossible
for them to lie about what the Dillard photo shows...... Which
is:.....There was NOBODY behind that window AT THE TIME of the
shooting.
Saintly Oswald
2012-12-15 09:59:59 UTC
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Also, it's not clear to me whether we have the TWO Dillard photos. He testified that he took two, one with a long and one with a short lens. One would look close-up and the other wide angle. In the typical wide shot available, which would be his second shot, you can see only one man in the 5th floor window. It is only in the "crop," which may actually be the long lens shot, which would be his first shot, that you can see both of them.
Post by Saintly Oswald
Well, I don't know, now. The Powell photo I have doesn't have the resolution of the Dillard, but the three people I can see in the windows all appear to be looking west down Elm. If this Powell photo had been taken when Walt claims, before the presidential limo had turned onto Houston, you would expect there to be more interest in the direction of Houston Street. I'm not sure that my original interpretation is wrong. Trying to determine the timing of the photo based upon who you can see in the windows and their testimonies about where there were at what times can be very tricky. Somebody could very well be there, and you still wouldn't see them in the photo. Certainty of a conclusion here seems elusive. But, Greer certainly did shoot JFK.
Post by Saintly Oswald
But, I don't think this would exonerate Oswald. The guys on the 5th floor probably didn't lie about the shooting from above. Many other witnesses testified to the shots coming from there. The plan, probably, was to leave an unmistakable trail to be found later, while not exposing themselves in real time, so they could make the getaway. Somebody probably was there shooting, perhaps a bit back from the window, perhaps with blanks. Perhaps it was Oswald.
Post by Saintly Oswald
Actually, Walt, I think your explanation of the narrow issue of the relative timing of the photos makes more sense than mine that the Dillard was later altered. This could explain Dillard's weird testimony very well, how it carefully doesn't give the game away, and yet Dillard doesn't perjure himself, either. Perhaps their plan was to build the sniper's nest after the Powell photo and they simply didn't realize the problem that would create.
Post by Walt
Post by David Von Pein
Why on Earth would Powell have snapped a pic of the upper TSBD floors
BEFORE the assassination?
You're nuts.
Powell thought he was taking a photo that would later be used to
"prove" that Lee Oswald had fired his rifle from that window......If
you look closly you'll see what appears to be a rifle barrel
protruding from the so called "Sniper's Nest" window in Powell's
photo. The conspirators intended to display Powell's photo as proof
that Oswald had fired from that window. Unfortunately Tom Dillard
took a nearly identical photo DURING the shooting and the authoriries
didn't want BOTH photos available to the public because experts would
have compared the two photos and reported that the Powell photo was
taken BEFORE the Dillard photo and that would have made it impossible
for them to lie about what the Dillard photo shows...... Which
is:.....There was NOBODY behind that window AT THE TIME of the
shooting.
Saintly Oswald
2012-12-15 10:05:07 UTC
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Yes. It seems likely to me that what is called the "crop" online of the Dillard is actually his long lens first shot, and that the wider view is his wide view second shot, since there is a difference in the angles of the building in each picture. His second shot, like the Powell, does not show the second man in the 5th floor window.
Post by Saintly Oswald
Also, it's not clear to me whether we have the TWO Dillard photos. He testified that he took two, one with a long and one with a short lens. One would look close-up and the other wide angle. In the typical wide shot available, which would be his second shot, you can see only one man in the 5th floor window. It is only in the "crop," which may actually be the long lens shot, which would be his first shot, that you can see both of them.
Post by Saintly Oswald
Well, I don't know, now. The Powell photo I have doesn't have the resolution of the Dillard, but the three people I can see in the windows all appear to be looking west down Elm. If this Powell photo had been taken when Walt claims, before the presidential limo had turned onto Houston, you would expect there to be more interest in the direction of Houston Street. I'm not sure that my original interpretation is wrong. Trying to determine the timing of the photo based upon who you can see in the windows and their testimonies about where there were at what times can be very tricky. Somebody could very well be there, and you still wouldn't see them in the photo. Certainty of a conclusion here seems elusive. But, Greer certainly did shoot JFK.
Post by Saintly Oswald
But, I don't think this would exonerate Oswald. The guys on the 5th floor probably didn't lie about the shooting from above. Many other witnesses testified to the shots coming from there. The plan, probably, was to leave an unmistakable trail to be found later, while not exposing themselves in real time, so they could make the getaway. Somebody probably was there shooting, perhaps a bit back from the window, perhaps with blanks. Perhaps it was Oswald.
Post by Saintly Oswald
Actually, Walt, I think your explanation of the narrow issue of the relative timing of the photos makes more sense than mine that the Dillard was later altered. This could explain Dillard's weird testimony very well, how it carefully doesn't give the game away, and yet Dillard doesn't perjure himself, either. Perhaps their plan was to build the sniper's nest after the Powell photo and they simply didn't realize the problem that would create.
Post by Walt
Post by David Von Pein
Why on Earth would Powell have snapped a pic of the upper TSBD floors
BEFORE the assassination?
You're nuts.
Powell thought he was taking a photo that would later be used to
"prove" that Lee Oswald had fired his rifle from that window......If
you look closly you'll see what appears to be a rifle barrel
protruding from the so called "Sniper's Nest" window in Powell's
photo. The conspirators intended to display Powell's photo as proof
that Oswald had fired from that window. Unfortunately Tom Dillard
took a nearly identical photo DURING the shooting and the authoriries
didn't want BOTH photos available to the public because experts would
have compared the two photos and reported that the Powell photo was
taken BEFORE the Dillard photo and that would have made it impossible
for them to lie about what the Dillard photo shows...... Which
is:.....There was NOBODY behind that window AT THE TIME of the
shooting.
Walt
2012-12-15 15:21:39 UTC
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Post by Saintly Oswald
Also, it's not clear to me whether we have the TWO Dillard photos. He testified that he took two, one with a long and one with a short lens. One would look close-up and the other wide angle. In the typical wide shot available, which would be his second shot, you can see only one man in the 5th floor window. It is only in the "crop," which may actually be the long lens shot, which would be his first shot, that you can see both of them.
Yes there are TWO different "Dillard photos" that were taken with a
telephoto lense( Not the wide angle) I believe another photographer in
the Chevy Convertable with Tom Dillard took the other photo ...or
perhaps Dillard took both of them just seconds apart. The two photos
appear to be identical until they are compared side by side. Then
there are some subtle differences that
Post by Saintly Oswald
Post by Saintly Oswald
Well, I don't know, now. The Powell photo I have doesn't have the resolution of the Dillard, but the three people I can see in the windows all appear to be looking west down Elm. If this Powell photo had been taken when Walt claims, before the presidential limo had turned onto Houston, you would expect there to be more interest in the direction of Houston Street. I'm not sure that my original interpretation is wrong. Trying to determine the timing of the photo based upon who you can see in the windows and their testimonies about where there were at what times can be very tricky. Somebody could very well be there, and you still wouldn't see them in the photo. Certainty of a conclusion here seems elusive. But, Greer certainly did shoot JFK.
Post by Saintly Oswald
But, I don't think this would exonerate Oswald. The guys on the 5th floor probably didn't lie about the shooting from above. Many other witnesses testified to the shots coming from there. The plan, probably, was to leave an unmistakable trail to be found later, while not exposing themselves in real time, so they could make the getaway. Somebody probably was there shooting, perhaps a bit back from the window, perhaps with blanks. Perhaps it was Oswald.
Post by Saintly Oswald
Actually, Walt, I think your explanation of the narrow issue of the relative timing of the photos makes more sense than mine that the Dillard was later altered. This could explain Dillard's weird testimony very well, how it carefully doesn't give the game away, and yet Dillard doesn't perjure himself, either. Perhaps their plan was to build the sniper's nest after the Powell photo and they simply didn't realize the problem that would create.
Post by Walt
Post by David Von Pein
Why on Earth would Powell have snapped a pic of the upper TSBD floors
BEFORE the assassination?
You're nuts.
Powell thought he was taking a photo that would later be used to
"prove" that Lee Oswald had fired his rifle from that window......If
you look closly you'll see what appears to be a rifle barrel
protruding from the so called "Sniper's Nest" window in Powell's
photo.   The conspirators intended to display Powell's photo as proof
that Oswald had fired from that window.  Unfortunately Tom Dillard
took a nearly identical photo DURING the shooting and the authoriries
didn't want BOTH photos available to the public because experts would
have compared the two photos and reported that the Powell photo was
taken BEFORE the Dillard photo and that would have made it impossible
for them to lie about what the Dillard photo shows...... Which
is:.....There was NOBODY behind that window AT THE TIME of the
shooting.
dcw
2012-12-16 19:21:33 UTC
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Post by Saintly Oswald
But, I don't think this would exonerate Oswald. The guys on the 5th floor probably didn't lie about the shooting from above. Many other witnesses testified to the shots coming from there.
Most testified to a rifle in a wide-open window: Brennan, Couch, Jackson: or to a wide-open window *before* the shooting: Fischer, Edwards. If they were *confused*, they were all confused the same way. The "sniper's nest" window was not wide open at 12:30....
dcw

The plan, probably, was to leave an unmistakable trail to be found later, while not exposing themselves in real time, so they could make the getaway. Somebody probably was there shooting, perhaps a bit back from the window, perhaps with blanks. Perhaps it was Oswald.
Post by Saintly Oswald
Post by Saintly Oswald
Actually, Walt, I think your explanation of the narrow issue of the relative timing of the photos makes more sense than mine that the Dillard was later altered. This could explain Dillard's weird testimony very well, how it carefully doesn't give the game away, and yet Dillard doesn't perjure himself, either. Perhaps their plan was to build the sniper's nest after the Powell photo and they simply didn't realize the problem that would create.
Post by Walt
Post by David Von Pein
Why on Earth would Powell have snapped a pic of the upper TSBD floors
BEFORE the assassination?
You're nuts.
Powell thought he was taking a photo that would later be used to
"prove" that Lee Oswald had fired his rifle from that window......If
you look closly you'll see what appears to be a rifle barrel
protruding from the so called "Sniper's Nest" window in Powell's
photo. The conspirators intended to display Powell's photo as proof
that Oswald had fired from that window. Unfortunately Tom Dillard
took a nearly identical photo DURING the shooting and the authoriries
didn't want BOTH photos available to the public because experts would
have compared the two photos and reported that the Powell photo was
taken BEFORE the Dillard photo and that would have made it impossible
for them to lie about what the Dillard photo shows...... Which
is:.....There was NOBODY behind that window AT THE TIME of the
shooting.
Sam McClung
2012-12-17 03:22:31 UTC
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if the pre-assassination sightings of someone in a gsbd window with a rifle
were intentional one might wonder what the intent was:

- to flush out any unknown (by the conspirators) legit law enforcement
there who might interfere with assassination

- to create witnesses to someone in a gsbd window with a rifle

- both

- other
Walt
2012-12-17 05:30:48 UTC
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Post by Sam McClung
if the pre-assassination sightings of someone in a gsbd window with a rifle
So you acknowledge that there were a few people who saw a rifle in a
TSBD window? I believe you'll find that all of those sightings were
by people who were in the motorcade..... NO spectator saw the rifle in
the window because all of the spectators were focused on the
approaching motorcade. In addition to the Powell photo there is
another photo which shows the rifle sticking out of the window before
the President's Lincoln was on Houston street. That photo corroborates
the fact that Powell took his photo first ( before Dillard) because
the Chevy convert that Tom Dillard was riding in was still on Main
street several cars behind the Presidents Lincoln when Powell took his
photo.

AND there is positive PROOF (Scientifically verifiable) that Powell
tokk his photo BEFORE Dillard took "The Dillard Photo"
Post by Sam McClung
 - to flush out any unknown (by the conspirators) legit law enforcement
there who might interfere with assassination
 - to create witnesses to someone in a gsbd window with a rifle
 - both
 - other
s***@gmail.com
2012-12-17 07:10:59 UTC
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Post by Walt
Post by Sam McClung
if the pre-assassination sightings of someone in a gsbd window with a rifle
So you acknowledge that there were a few people who saw a rifle in a
TSBD window? I believe you'll find that all of those sightings were
by people who were in the motorcade..... NO spectator saw the rifle in
the window because all of the spectators were focused on the
approaching motorcade.
You know about Brennan & Euins, Walt, right? And, well, Mrs. Walther, but I don't quite trust her observations....
dcw

In addition to the Powell photo there is
Post by Walt
another photo which shows the rifle sticking out of the window before
the President's Lincoln was on Houston street. That photo corroborates
the fact that Powell took his photo first ( before Dillard) because
the Chevy convert that Tom Dillard was riding in was still on Main
street several cars behind the Presidents Lincoln when Powell took his
photo.
AND there is positive PROOF (Scientifically verifiable) that Powell
tokk his photo BEFORE Dillard took "The Dillard Photo"
Post by Sam McClung
 - to flush out any unknown (by the conspirators) legit law enforcement
there who might interfere with assassination
 - to create witnesses to someone in a gsbd window with a rifle
 - both
 - other
Sam McClung
2012-12-17 14:54:53 UTC
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wally likes to try to tell people what to think

according to my inline b.s. filter

which automatically filters wally out and redirects here:
http://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=wally+world+mr.+ghetto&mid=F82623508C7118450DDEF82623508C7118450DDE&view=detail&FORM=VIRE2
Walt
2012-12-17 15:11:49 UTC
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Post by Sam McClung
wally likes to try to tell people what to think
Ol Saintly can verify that your a liar Mc Dung (officer
Mooney) ....... Ol Saintly can verify that I constantly prod him to
think for himself and reach reasonable conclusions. He complains all
the time that I won't simply won't give him the solution.
Post by Sam McClung
according to my inline b.s. filter
which automatically filters wally out and redirects here:http://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=wally+world+mr.+ghetto&mid=F82623...
Saintly Oswald
2012-12-17 17:18:06 UTC
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You remind me of John Reagor King, is all I can say about you, Walt. You've got different opinions, but the same dense skull. There's lots of shit flying around inside it, but there's no getting at it. Just like your buddy Ben Holmes reminds me of asshole Marsh. Sam McClung a liar? I don't even know what the fuck he's saying half the time, so who knows?
Post by Walt
Post by Sam McClung
wally likes to try to tell people what to think
Ol Saintly can verify that your a liar Mc Dung (officer
Mooney) ....... Ol Saintly can verify that I constantly prod him to
think for himself and reach reasonable conclusions. He complains all
the time that I won't simply won't give him the solution.
Post by Sam McClung
according to my inline b.s. filter
which automatically filters wally out and redirects here:http://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=wally+world+mr.+ghetto&mid=F82623...
Walt
2012-12-17 21:01:12 UTC
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Post by Saintly Oswald
You remind me of John Reagor King, is all I can say about you, Walt. You've got different opinions, but the same dense skull. There's lots of shit flying around inside it, but there's no getting at it.
Damn!..... I lay everything out in front of you and you still can't
see it. I offer you methods to prove or disprove my "opinions" but
you simply want to play ..."Who Done it"

Just like your buddy Ben Holmes reminds me of asshole Marsh. Sam
McClung a liar? I don't even know what the fuck he's saying half the
time, so who knows?

That's precisely the way Mc Dung want you to be..... confused. He
was a law enforcement officer in Dallas. Does that mean anything to
you?
Post by Saintly Oswald
Post by Sam McClung
wally likes to try to tell people what to think
Ol Saintly can verify that your a liar Mc Dung  (officer
Mooney) .......  Ol Saintly can verify that I constantly prod him to
think for himself and reach reasonable conclusions.   He complains all
the time that I won't  simply won't give him the solution.
Post by Sam McClung
according to my inline b.s. filter
which automatically filters wally out and redirects here:http://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=wally+world+mr.+ghetto&mid=F82623...
Saintly Oswald
2012-12-17 21:08:12 UTC
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It makes no difference what any of you say, if it doesn't correspond to the evidence I can examine. I got my best lead from Rebecca whatshername, and she was spouting garbage. But she was right that Jackie went on the trunk to retrieve evidence. You guys are just a jolt of caffeine, really.
Post by Walt
Post by Saintly Oswald
You remind me of John Reagor King, is all I can say about you, Walt. You've got different opinions, but the same dense skull. There's lots of shit flying around inside it, but there's no getting at it.
Damn!..... I lay everything out in front of you and you still can't
see it. I offer you methods to prove or disprove my "opinions" but
you simply want to play ..."Who Done it"
Just like your buddy Ben Holmes reminds me of asshole Marsh. Sam
McClung a liar? I don't even know what the fuck he's saying half the
time, so who knows?
That's precisely the way Mc Dung want you to be..... confused. He
was a law enforcement officer in Dallas. Does that mean anything to
you?
Post by Saintly Oswald
Post by Sam McClung
wally likes to try to tell people what to think
Ol Saintly can verify that your a liar Mc Dung  (officer
Mooney) .......  Ol Saintly can verify that I constantly prod him to
think for himself and reach reasonable conclusions.   He complains all
the time that I won't  simply won't give him the solution.
Post by Sam McClung
according to my inline b.s. filter
which automatically filters wally out and redirects here:http://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=wally+world+mr.+ghetto&mid=F82623...
Walt
2012-12-17 21:26:37 UTC
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Post by Saintly Oswald
It makes no difference what any of you say, if it doesn't correspond to the evidence I can examine.
That's the crux of the problem......You don't EXAMINE the
evidence.... Your mind is full of BS and you attempt to corrolate
the BS (Warren Report) with the actual evidence.


I got my best lead from Rebecca whatshername, and she was spouting
garbage. But she was right that Jackie went on the trunk to retrieve
evidence. You guys are just a jolt of caffeine, really.
Post by Saintly Oswald
Post by Saintly Oswald
You remind me of John Reagor King, is all I can say about you, Walt. You've got different opinions, but the same dense skull. There's lots of shit flying around inside it, but there's no getting at it.
Damn!.....  I lay everything out in front of you and you still can't
see it.    I offer you methods to prove or disprove my "opinions" but
you simply want to play ..."Who Done it"
Just like your buddy Ben Holmes reminds me of asshole Marsh. Sam
McClung a liar? I don't even know what the fuck he's saying half the
time, so who knows?
That's precisely the way Mc Dung want you to be..... confused.    He
was a law enforcement officer in Dallas.   Does that mean anything to
you?
Post by Saintly Oswald
Post by Sam McClung
wally likes to try to tell people what to think
Ol Saintly can verify that your a liar Mc Dung  (officer
Mooney) .......  Ol Saintly can verify that I constantly prod him to
think for himself and reach reasonable conclusions.   He complains all
the time that I won't  simply won't give him the solution.
Post by Sam McClung
according to my inline b.s. filter
which automatically filters wally out and redirects here:http://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=wally+world+mr.+ghetto&mid=F82623...
Saintly Oswald
2012-12-17 21:43:34 UTC
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The Warren Report is real testimony that has been manipulated. It's like the Zapruder film. That is also real testimony which has been manipulated. It is not always easy to separate fact from fiction, but you must work with something, if you want to find out who did it. You, it seems, prefer to find out who did not do it, so long as it is Oswald who did not do it. It's fine with me that you want to play that game, if that's what floats your boat. Maybe Oswald is innocent and we can both be right.
Post by Walt
Post by Saintly Oswald
It makes no difference what any of you say, if it doesn't correspond to the evidence I can examine.
That's the crux of the problem......You don't EXAMINE the
evidence.... Your mind is full of BS and you attempt to corrolate
the BS (Warren Report) with the actual evidence.
I got my best lead from Rebecca whatshername, and she was spouting
garbage. But she was right that Jackie went on the trunk to retrieve
evidence. You guys are just a jolt of caffeine, really.
Post by Saintly Oswald
Post by Saintly Oswald
You remind me of John Reagor King, is all I can say about you, Walt. You've got different opinions, but the same dense skull. There's lots of shit flying around inside it, but there's no getting at it.
Damn!.....  I lay everything out in front of you and you still can't
see it.    I offer you methods to prove or disprove my "opinions" but
you simply want to play ..."Who Done it"
Just like your buddy Ben Holmes reminds me of asshole Marsh. Sam
McClung a liar? I don't even know what the fuck he's saying half the
time, so who knows?
That's precisely the way Mc Dung want you to be..... confused.    He
was a law enforcement officer in Dallas.   Does that mean anything to
you?
Post by Saintly Oswald
Post by Sam McClung
wally likes to try to tell people what to think
Ol Saintly can verify that your a liar Mc Dung  (officer
Mooney) .......  Ol Saintly can verify that I constantly prod him to
think for himself and reach reasonable conclusions.   He complains all
the time that I won't  simply won't give him the solution.
Post by Sam McClung
according to my inline b.s. filter
which automatically filters wally out and redirects here:http://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=wally+world+mr.+ghetto&mid=F82623...
Walt
2012-12-18 00:19:10 UTC
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Post by Saintly Oswald
The Warren Report is real testimony that has been manipulated. It's like the Zapruder film. That is also real testimony which has been manipulated. It is not always easy to separate fact from fiction, but you must work with something, if you want to find out who did it. You, it seems, prefer to find out who did not do it, so long as it is Oswald who did not do it. It's fine with me that you want to play that game, if that's what floats your boat. Maybe Oswald is innocent and we can both be right.
You're a fool..... You can't construct anything without first
establishing a FOUNDATION. Before you can attempt to SOLVE the case
to determine WHO was guilty you first have to establish that the
official story is wrong. There's NO doubt in my mind that the
official government approved story is a pile of BS....and I'm
convinced that Lee Oswald was their patsy. ( Most of the members of
the warren Commission thought that they were doing the right thing by
letting Oswald take the blame. ( Hell's bells.....why not?.... he was
dead and the truth might rip the nation apart.) But the fact remains
they treated us like fools who couldn't handle the truth. In their
superiority and arrogance they thought they knew what was good for
us....so they created a lie and let the killers go free.
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It makes no difference what any of you say, if it doesn't correspond to the evidence I can examine.
That's the crux of the problem......You don't EXAMINE the
evidence....   Your mind is full of BS and you attempt to corrolate
the BS (Warren Report)  with the actual evidence.
 I got my best lead from Rebecca whatshername, and she was spouting
garbage. But she was right that Jackie went on the trunk to retrieve
evidence. You guys are just a jolt of caffeine, really.
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You remind me of John Reagor King, is all I can say about you, Walt. You've got different opinions, but the same dense skull. There's lots of shit flying around inside it, but there's no getting at it.
Damn!.....  I lay everything out in front of you and you still can't
see it.    I offer you methods to prove or disprove my "opinions" but
you simply want to play ..."Who Done it"
Just like your buddy Ben Holmes reminds me of asshole Marsh. Sam
McClung a liar? I don't even know what the fuck he's saying half the
time, so who knows?
That's precisely the way Mc Dung want you to be..... confused.    He
was a law enforcement officer in Dallas.   Does that mean anything to
you?
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Post by Sam McClung
wally likes to try to tell people what to think
Ol Saintly can verify that your a liar Mc Dung  (officer
Mooney) .......  Ol Saintly can verify that I constantly prod him to
think for himself and reach reasonable conclusions.   He complains all
the time that I won't  simply won't give him the solution.
Post by Sam McClung
according to my inline b.s. filter
which automatically filters wally out and redirects here:http://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=wally+world+mr.+ghetto&mid=F82623...
Walt
2012-12-18 15:54:12 UTC
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Post by Saintly Oswald
The Warren Report is real testimony that has been manipulated. It's like the Zapruder film. That is also real testimony which has been manipulated. It is not always easy to separate fact from fiction, but you must work with something, if you want to find out who did it. You, it seems, prefer to find out who did not do it, so long as it is Oswald who did not do it. It's fine with me that you want to play that game, if that's what floats your boat. Maybe Oswald is innocent and we can both be right.
You're a fool..... You can't construct anything without first
establishing a FOUNDATION.   Before you can attempt to SOLVE the case
to determine WHO was guilty you first have to establish that the
official story is wrong.  There's NO doubt in my mind that the
official government approved story is a pile of BS....and I'm
convinced that Lee Oswald was their patsy.  ( Most of the members of
the warren Commission thought that they were doing the right thing by
letting Oswald take the blame. ( Hell's bells.....why not?.... he was
dead and the truth might rip the nation apart.)  But the fact remains
they treated us like fools who couldn't handle the truth. In their
superiority and arrogance they thought they knew what was good for
us....so they created a lie and let the killers go free.
I believe 99% of the readers of this post know in their hearts that it
is the truth..... but they don't have the courage to face that truth.

Sooooo..... Perhaps the liars of LBJ's "Select Blue Ribbon Committe"
were right in lying to us.......We're simply too weak to handle the
truth.
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It makes no difference what any of you say, if it doesn't correspond to the evidence I can examine.
That's the crux of the problem......You don't EXAMINE the
evidence....   Your mind is full of BS and you attempt to corrolate
the BS (Warren Report)  with the actual evidence.
 I got my best lead from Rebecca whatshername, and she was spouting
garbage. But she was right that Jackie went on the trunk to retrieve
evidence. You guys are just a jolt of caffeine, really.
Post by Saintly Oswald
Post by Saintly Oswald
You remind me of John Reagor King, is all I can say about you, Walt. You've got different opinions, but the same dense skull. There's lots of shit flying around inside it, but there's no getting at it.
Damn!.....  I lay everything out in front of you and you still can't
see it.    I offer you methods to prove or disprove my "opinions" but
you simply want to play ..."Who Done it"
Just like your buddy Ben Holmes reminds me of asshole Marsh. Sam
McClung a liar? I don't even know what the fuck he's saying half the
time, so who knows?
That's precisely the way Mc Dung want you to be..... confused.    He
was a law enforcement officer in Dallas.   Does that mean anything to
you?
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Post by Sam McClung
wally likes to try to tell people what to think
Ol Saintly can verify that your a liar Mc Dung  (officer
Mooney) .......  Ol Saintly can verify that I constantly prod him to
think for himself and reach reasonable conclusions.   He complains all
the time that I won't  simply won't give him the solution.
Post by Sam McClung
according to my inline b.s. filter
which automatically filters wally out and redirects here:http://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=wally+world+mr.+ghetto&mid=F82623...
Walt
2012-12-17 15:08:29 UTC
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if the pre-assassination sightings of someone in a gsbd window with a rifle
So you acknowledge that there were a few people who saw a rifle in a
TSBD window?  I believe you'll find that all of those sightings were
by people who were in the motorcade..... NO spectator saw the rifle in
the window because all of the spectators were focused on the
approaching motorcade.
You know about Brennan & Euins, Walt, right?


You're staying off subject again Mr. Saintly..... But If you could
retain information for more than a few minutes you wouldn't ask if I
know what Howard Brennan and James Euins reported. You'd know that I
believe that Howard Brennan reported that it was NOT Lee Oswald that
he saw with a HUNTING rifle behind the WIDE OPEN window of the TSBD.



 And, well, Mrs. Walther, but I don't quite trust her observations....
dcw
  In addition to the Powell photo there is
Post by Walt
another photo which shows the rifle sticking out of the window before
the President's Lincoln was on Houston street. That photo corroborates
the fact that Powell took his photo first ( before Dillard)   because
the Chevy convert that Tom Dillard was riding in was still on Main
street several cars behind the Presidents Lincoln when Powell took his
photo.
AND there is positive PROOF (Scientifically verifiable) that Powell
tokk his photo BEFORE Dillard took "The Dillard Photo"
Post by Sam McClung
 - to flush out any unknown (by the conspirators) legit law enforcement
there who might interfere with assassination
 - to create witnesses to someone in a gsbd window with a rifle
 - both
 - other
Saintly Oswald
2012-12-15 22:51:09 UTC
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Not having focused my attention on the happenings inside the TSBD, I don't know if the whereabouts of Bonnie Ray Williams' companion in the close-up Dillard photo during the shooting is an important issue or not. I don't even know who he is. But, it is interesting that he is only visible in the Dillard close-up and in neither the Powell nor the Dillard wide shots. It may simple be a matter of photo resolution. But, since the Dillard was certainly altered to change the sniper nest box configuration, and Mr. Ball of the WC clearly wanted Dillard to say that he saw two figures when he took the picture, which he did not say that he did, it makes me curious as to whether inserting this fellow into the picture might have been the primary motive for altering the picture in the first place. It would take much more study by me of the TSBD angle to come to firm conclusions here. Up to this point, I have been more interested in what happened in the motorcade, since it is so well documented with photography.
Post by Saintly Oswald
The Dillard and Powell photos seem to have been taken at nearly the same time, according the photographers' independent accounts and according to some details in the photos. But there are differences in the photos, most importantly, probably, the boxes in the sniper's nest. The difference in the boxes in the two pictures is too great to be explained by camera angle and distance. I think the Powell photo is probably the good one and the Dillard is fake, because the Dillard boxes match the official pictures of the sniper's nest. Since they wouldn't fake it to be different, the Powell is probably genuine. There are other differences involving people, but people can move quickly. Those boxes would need some time. Dillard was an "official" photographer. He was supposed to be there and would have been on the conspiracy's photographer list. Powell just happened to come on his own, and then afterwards, by his account, went around with the police because he has some kind of intelligence credentials. That might make him seem suspicious, but I think that probably is what kept him under the radar of the conspirators. They didn't get to his film in time to change the boxes to the way they wanted them. It might also imply other things, since a couple of people are visible in the Dillard who aren't visible in the Powell.
Walt
2012-12-15 23:23:38 UTC
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Not having focused my attention on the happenings inside the TSBD, I don't know if the whereabouts of Bonnie Ray Williams' companion in the close-up Dillard photo during the shooting is an important issue or not. I don't even know who he is. But, it is interesting that he is only visible in the Dillard close-up and in neither the Powell nor the Dillard wide shots. It may simple be a matter of photo resolution. But, since the Dillard was certainly altered to change the sniper nest box configuration, and Mr. Ball of the WC clearly wanted Dillard to say that he saw two figures when he took the picture, which he did not say that he did, it makes me curious as to whether inserting this fellow into the picture might have been the primary motive for altering the picture in the first place. It would take much more study by me of the TSBD angle to come to firm conclusions here. Up to this point, I have been more interested in what happened in the motorcade, since it is so well documented with photography.
Post by Saintly Oswald
The Dillard and Powell photos seem to have been taken at nearly the same time, according the photographers' independent accounts and according to some details in the photos. But there are differences in the photos, most importantly, probably, the boxes in the sniper's nest. The difference in the boxes in the two pictures is too great to be explained by camera angle and distance. I think the Powell photo is probably the good one and the Dillard is fake, because the Dillard boxes match the official pictures of the sniper's nest. Since they wouldn't fake it to be different, the Powell is probably genuine. There are other differences involving people, but people can move quickly. Those boxes would need some time. Dillard was an "official" photographer. He was supposed to be there and would have been on the conspiracy's photographer list. Powell just happened to come on his own, and then afterwards, by his account, went around with the police because he has some kind of intelligence credentials. That might make him seem suspicious, but I think that probably is what kept him under the radar of the conspirators. They didn't get to his film in time to change the boxes to the way they wanted them. It might also imply other things, since a couple of people are visible in the Dillard who aren't visible in the Powell.
Walt
2012-12-15 23:26:39 UTC
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Not having focused my attention on the happenings inside the TSBD, I don't know if the whereabouts of Bonnie Ray Williams' companion in the close-up Dillard photo during the shooting is an important issue or not. I don't even know who he is. But, it is interesting that he is only visible in the Dillard close-up and in neither the Powell nor the Dillard wide shots. It may simple be a matter of photo resolution. But, since the Dillard was certainly altered to change the sniper nest box configuration, and Mr. Ball of the WC clearly wanted Dillard to say that he saw two figures when he took the picture, which he did not say that he did, it makes me curious as to whether inserting this fellow into the picture might have been the primary motive for altering the picture in the first place. It would take much more study by me of the TSBD angle to come to firm conclusions here. Up to this point, I have been more interested in what happened in the motorcade, since it is so well documented with photography.
the Dillard was certainly altered to change the sniper nest box
configuration,

The Dillard photo was NOT altered........
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The Dillard and Powell photos seem to have been taken at nearly the same time, according the photographers' independent accounts and according to some details in the photos. But there are differences in the photos, most importantly, probably, the boxes in the sniper's nest. The difference in the boxes in the two pictures is too great to be explained by camera angle and distance. I think the Powell photo is probably the good one and the Dillard is fake, because the Dillard boxes match the official pictures of the sniper's nest. Since they wouldn't fake it to be different, the Powell is probably genuine. There are other differences involving people, but people can move quickly. Those boxes would need some time. Dillard was an "official" photographer. He was supposed to be there and would have been on the conspiracy's photographer list. Powell just happened to come on his own, and then afterwards, by his account, went around with the police because he has some kind of intelligence credentials. That might make him seem suspicious, but I think that probably is what kept him under the radar of the conspirators. They didn't get to his film in time to change the boxes to the way they wanted them. It might also imply other things, since a couple of people are visible in the Dillard who aren't visible in the Powell.
Saintly Oswald
2012-12-16 08:41:36 UTC
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The reason I originally made this image,
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-Ph4ptCxt6VA/UMtzipXCNUI/AAAAAAAAAks/4xPMLoqXF_4/s1022/PowellDillardFake.jpg , was that I thought that Bonnie Ray Williams was in strikingly similar positions in both the Powell and Dillard photos, so similar that they look one could almost have been cut and pasted into the other. To me, this implies that they both were taken at approximately the same time, as the photographers themselves have said. If they were taken seconds apart, then one of them has been faked for the boxes in the sniper's nest. If the boxes haven't been faked, then one of the photographers is lying about when he took his picture. Either way doesn't look good for the Lone Nut Theory.
Post by Saintly Oswald
The Dillard and Powell photos seem to have been taken at nearly the same time, according the photographers' independent accounts and according to some details in the photos. But there are differences in the photos, most importantly, probably, the boxes in the sniper's nest. The difference in the boxes in the two pictures is too great to be explained by camera angle and distance. I think the Powell photo is probably the good one and the Dillard is fake, because the Dillard boxes match the official pictures of the sniper's nest. Since they wouldn't fake it to be different, the Powell is probably genuine. There are other differences involving people, but people can move quickly. Those boxes would need some time. Dillard was an "official" photographer. He was supposed to be there and would have been on the conspiracy's photographer list. Powell just happened to come on his own, and then afterwards, by his account, went around with the police because he has some kind of intelligence credentials. That might make him seem suspicious, but I think that probably is what kept him under the radar of the conspirators. They didn't get to his film in time to change the boxes to the way they wanted them. It might also imply other things, since a couple of people are visible in the Dillard who aren't visible in the Powell.
Saintly Oswald
2012-12-16 09:22:05 UTC
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Trying to see if it is possible that the Powell and dillard photos could both be consistent, I made this graphic and came up with an annoying conclusion: it is possible. Loading Image... The red dot is over the box I am tracking in all three photos, the last photo being one taken after the assassination. The location of the box does seem to move consistently with camera angles, even though it seems intuitively wrong to me. In this comparison, Loading Image... , you can see that Bonnie Ray Williams doesn't seem to move with the boxes from picture, but if the these boxes are further back from the window, they might look like this from the camera angles represented, I suppose. Perhaps the photos are consistent. Though, of you look at the interior shot of the sniper's nest, Loading Image... , those boxes back from the window aren't the same as the pictures, either. I guess I'm back to inconclusive here.
Post by Saintly Oswald
The Dillard and Powell photos seem to have been taken at nearly the same time, according the photographers' independent accounts and according to some details in the photos. But there are differences in the photos, most importantly, probably, the boxes in the sniper's nest. The difference in the boxes in the two pictures is too great to be explained by camera angle and distance. I think the Powell photo is probably the good one and the Dillard is fake, because the Dillard boxes match the official pictures of the sniper's nest. Since they wouldn't fake it to be different, the Powell is probably genuine. There are other differences involving people, but people can move quickly. Those boxes would need some time. Dillard was an "official" photographer. He was supposed to be there and would have been on the conspiracy's photographer list. Powell just happened to come on his own, and then afterwards, by his account, went around with the police because he has some kind of intelligence credentials. That might make him seem suspicious, but I think that probably is what kept him under the radar of the conspirators. They didn't get to his film in time to change the boxes to the way they wanted them. It might also imply other things, since a couple of people are visible in the Dillard who aren't visible in the Powell.
Walt
2012-12-16 13:36:35 UTC
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Trying to see if it is possible that the Powell and dillard photos could both be consistent, I made this graphic and came up with an annoying conclusion: it is possible.https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-fhGGt61AV6E/UM2Piw5sY9I/AAAAAAAAAl...The red dot is over the box I am tracking in all three photos, the last photo being one taken after the assassination. The location of the box does seem to move consistently with camera angles, even though it seems intuitively wrong to me. In this comparison,https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-y6oND4vxDbU/UM2REt5sgjI/AAAAAAAAAl..., you can see that Bonnie Ray Williams doesn't seem to move with the boxes from picture, but if the these boxes are further back from the window, they might look like this from the camera angles represented, I suppose. Perhaps the photos are consistent. Though, of you look at the interior shot of the sniper's nest,https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-euLGaS4U0Qw/UM2STXBKDnI/AAAAAAAAAm..., those boxes back from the window aren't the same as the pictures, either. I guess I'm back to inconclusive here.
Post by Saintly Oswald
The Dillard and Powell photos seem to have been taken at nearly the same time, according the photographers' independent accounts and according to some details in the photos. But there are differences in the photos, most importantly, probably, the boxes in the sniper's nest. The difference in the boxes in the two pictures is too great to be explained by camera angle and distance. I think the Powell photo is probably the good one and the Dillard is fake, because the Dillard boxes match the official pictures of the sniper's nest. Since they wouldn't fake it to be different, the Powell is probably genuine. There are other differences involving people, but people can move quickly. Those boxes would need some time. Dillard was an "official" photographer. He was supposed to be there and would have been on the conspiracy's photographer list. Powell just happened to come on his own, and then afterwards, by his account, went around with the police because he has some kind of intelligence credentials. That might make him seem suspicious, but I think that probably is what kept him under the radar of the conspirators. They didn't get to his film in time to change the boxes to the way they wanted them. It might also imply other things, since a couple of people are visible in the Dillard who aren't visible in the Powell.
I studied this aspect many years ago. I reached the conclusion that
Powell took his photo first then a few minutes later Tom Dillard took
at least one (possibly two) telephoto shot(s) The DPD recreated the
box configuration many times that weekend and gave the Warren
Commission many bogus photos of the so called "Sniper's Nest". The
correct placement for the box in the Powell and Dillard photos
is:... That box was the top box of a stack of three Rolling readers
boxes. The stack of trhee boxes was sitting on the floor behind the
window. There was no box on the window sill as is seen in the bogus
photos that the DPD gave to the Warren Commission.

The man who stuck the rifle out of the window so James Powell could
get a photo of "Oswald firing his rifle from the sniper's nest" bumped
the top box as he pulled the rifle back inside the window. That's the
reason the box appears differently in the two photos.
Walt
2012-12-16 13:56:57 UTC
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Trying to see if it is possible that the Powell and dillard photos could both be consistent, I made this graphic and came up with an annoying conclusion: it is possible.https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-fhGGt61AV6E/UM2Piw5sY9I/AAAAAAAAAl...The red dot is over the box I am tracking in all three photos
You've reproduced Tom Dillard's photo with crystal clarity. It's so
clear that it's possible to measure the individual bricks
on the face of the TSBD. Can you produce James powell's photo with
the same clarity? and then place them side by side for easy
comparison.




, the last photo being one taken after the assassination. The location
of the box does seem to move consistently with camera angles, even
though it seems intuitively wrong to me. In this comparison,https://
lh5.googleusercontent.com/-y6oND4vxDbU/UM2REt5sgjI/AAAAAAAAAl..., you
can see that Bonnie Ray Williams doesn't seem to move with the boxes
from picture, but if the these boxes are further back from the window,
they might look like this from the camera angles represented, I
suppose. Perhaps the photos are consistent. Though, of you look at the
interior shot of the sniper's nest,https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-
euLGaS4U0Qw/UM2STXBKDnI/AAAAAAAAAm..., those boxes back from the
window aren't the same as the pictures, either. I guess I'm back to
inconclusive here.
Post by Saintly Oswald
The Dillard and Powell photos seem to have been taken at nearly the same time, according the photographers' independent accounts and according to some details in the photos. But there are differences in the photos, most importantly, probably, the boxes in the sniper's nest. The difference in the boxes in the two pictures is too great to be explained by camera angle and distance. I think the Powell photo is probably the good one and the Dillard is fake, because the Dillard boxes match the official pictures of the sniper's nest. Since they wouldn't fake it to be different, the Powell is probably genuine. There are other differences involving people, but people can move quickly. Those boxes would need some time. Dillard was an "official" photographer. He was supposed to be there and would have been on the conspiracy's photographer list. Powell just happened to come on his own, and then afterwards, by his account, went around with the police because he has some kind of intelligence credentials. That might make him seem suspicious, but I think that probably is what kept him under the radar of the conspirators. They didn't get to his film in time to change the boxes to the way they wanted them. It might also imply other things, since a couple of people are visible in the Dillard who aren't visible in the Powell.
Saintly Oswald
2012-12-16 14:58:18 UTC
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I can't make the Powell as clear as the Dillard because this Dillard shot is a long lens close-up, while the Powell is a short lens wide angle shot. The resolution of their films may be the same, but per square foot of building, the Dillard will be superior whatever I try to do to the Powell. That is frustrating, but there is no real way to make the Powell clearer, unless you have a clearer original.
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Trying to see if it is possible that the Powell and dillard photos could both be consistent, I made this graphic and came up with an annoying conclusion: it is possible.https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-fhGGt61AV6E/UM2Piw5sY9I/AAAAAAAAAl...The red dot is over the box I am tracking in all three photos
You've reproduced Tom Dillard's photo with crystal clarity. It's so
clear that it's possible to measure the individual bricks
on the face of the TSBD. Can you produce James powell's photo with
the same clarity? and then place them side by side for easy
comparison.
, the last photo being one taken after the assassination. The location
of the box does seem to move consistently with camera angles, even
though it seems intuitively wrong to me. In this comparison,https://
lh5.googleusercontent.com/-y6oND4vxDbU/UM2REt5sgjI/AAAAAAAAAl..., you
can see that Bonnie Ray Williams doesn't seem to move with the boxes
from picture, but if the these boxes are further back from the window,
they might look like this from the camera angles represented, I
suppose. Perhaps the photos are consistent. Though, of you look at the
interior shot of the sniper's nest,https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-
euLGaS4U0Qw/UM2STXBKDnI/AAAAAAAAAm..., those boxes back from the
window aren't the same as the pictures, either. I guess I'm back to
inconclusive here.
Post by Saintly Oswald
The Dillard and Powell photos seem to have been taken at nearly the same time, according the photographers' independent accounts and according to some details in the photos. But there are differences in the photos, most importantly, probably, the boxes in the sniper's nest. The difference in the boxes in the two pictures is too great to be explained by camera angle and distance. I think the Powell photo is probably the good one and the Dillard is fake, because the Dillard boxes match the official pictures of the sniper's nest. Since they wouldn't fake it to be different, the Powell is probably genuine. There are other differences involving people, but people can move quickly. Those boxes would need some time. Dillard was an "official" photographer. He was supposed to be there and would have been on the conspiracy's photographer list. Powell just happened to come on his own, and then afterwards, by his account, went around with the police because he has some kind of intelligence credentials. That might make him seem suspicious, but I think that probably is what kept him under the radar of the conspirators. They didn't get to his film in time to change the boxes to the way they wanted them. It might also imply other things, since a couple of people are visible in the Dillard who aren't visible in the Powell.
Walt
2012-12-16 17:52:31 UTC
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Post by Saintly Oswald
I can't make the Powell as clear as the Dillard because this Dillard shot is a long lens close-up, while the Powell is a short lens wide angle shot. The resolution of their films may be the same, but per square foot of building, the Dillard will be superior whatever I try to do to the Powell. That is frustrating, but there is no real way to make the Powell clearer, unless you have a clearer original.
The best copy I've got of the Powell photo appears on page 158 of
Groden's "The Killing of a President". Because it is printed in color
there are many details that can't be seen in a B&W copy.

Do you have Groden's TKOAP?
Post by Saintly Oswald
Trying to see if it is possible that the Powell and dillard photos could both be consistent, I made this graphic and came up with an annoying conclusion: it is possible.https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-fhGGt61AV6E/UM2Piw5sY9I/AAAAAAAAAl...red dot is over the box I am tracking in all three photos
You've reproduced Tom Dillard's photo with crystal clarity.  It's so
clear that it's possible to measure the individual bricks
on the face of the TSBD.   Can you produce James powell's photo with
the same clarity?  and then place them side by side for easy
comparison.
, the last photo being one taken after the assassination. The location
of the box does seem to move consistently with camera angles, even
though it seems intuitively wrong to me. In this comparison,https://
lh5.googleusercontent.com/-y6oND4vxDbU/UM2REt5sgjI/AAAAAAAAAl..., you
can see that Bonnie Ray Williams doesn't seem to move with the boxes
from picture, but if the these boxes are further back from the window,
they might look like this from the camera angles represented, I
suppose. Perhaps the photos are consistent. Though, of you look at the
interior shot of the sniper's nest,https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-
euLGaS4U0Qw/UM2STXBKDnI/AAAAAAAAAm..., those boxes back from the
window aren't the same as the pictures, either. I guess I'm back to
inconclusive here.
Post by Saintly Oswald
The Dillard and Powell photos seem to have been taken at nearly the same time, according the photographers' independent accounts and according to some details in the photos. But there are differences in the photos, most importantly, probably, the boxes in the sniper's nest. The difference in the boxes in the two pictures is too great to be explained by camera angle and distance. I think the Powell photo is probably the good one and the Dillard is fake, because the Dillard boxes match the official pictures of the sniper's nest. Since they wouldn't fake it to be different, the Powell is probably genuine. There are other differences involving people, but people can move quickly. Those boxes would need some time. Dillard was an "official" photographer. He was supposed to be there and would have been on the conspiracy's photographer list. Powell just happened to come on his own, and then afterwards, by his account, went around with the police because he has some kind of intelligence credentials. That might make him seem suspicious, but I think that probably is what kept him under the radar of the conspirators. They didn't get to his film in time to change the boxes to the way they wanted them. It might also imply other things, since a couple of people are visible in the Dillard who aren't visible in the Powell.
Saintly Oswald
2012-12-18 22:28:03 UTC
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This is the best resolution of the Dillard close-up I've seen, and Norman looks so pasted-in...I'm beginning to think it's faked again. Maybe that's why you can't see Norman in the Powell. Maybe he wasn't there during the assassination.
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The Dillard and Powell photos seem to have been taken at nearly the same time, according the photographers' independent accounts and according to some details in the photos. But there are differences in the photos, most importantly, probably, the boxes in the sniper's nest. The difference in the boxes in the two pictures is too great to be explained by camera angle and distance. I think the Powell photo is probably the good one and the Dillard is fake, because the Dillard boxes match the official pictures of the sniper's nest. Since they wouldn't fake it to be different, the Powell is probably genuine. There are other differences involving people, but people can move quickly. Those boxes would need some time. Dillard was an "official" photographer. He was supposed to be there and would have been on the conspiracy's photographer list. Powell just happened to come on his own, and then afterwards, by his account, went around with the police because he has some kind of intelligence credentials. That might make him seem suspicious, but I think that probably is what kept him under the radar of the conspirators. They didn't get to his film in time to change the boxes to the way they wanted them. It might also imply other things, since a couple of people are visible in the Dillard who aren't visible in the Powell.
dcw
2012-12-19 06:20:28 UTC
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Post by Saintly Oswald
This is the best resolution of the Dillard close-up I've seen, and Norman looks so pasted-in...I'm beginning to think it's faked again. Maybe that's why you can't see Norman in the Powell. Maybe he wasn't there during the assassination.
Oh, Lord! That's what I've been suggesting for years. I've more than suggested that Jarman wasn't there. Their combined statements are a good clue. Nothing from them that Friday. (Just Williams saying that they were there with him.) Jarman's first statement Saturday--and he seems to have himself out front, below, at 12:30. Sunday, for the first time, Jarman has himself on the 5th floor. Only on Tuesday, finally, does Norman say he was on the fifth floor....
dcw
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https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-jIgHvFpLJZA/UNDtJL2PpoI/AAAAAAAAAoY/YjwFk3CrBuA/s1022/NormanDillard.jpg
Post by Saintly Oswald
The Dillard and Powell photos seem to have been taken at nearly the same time, according the photographers' independent accounts and according to some details in the photos. But there are differences in the photos, most importantly, probably, the boxes in the sniper's nest. The difference in the boxes in the two pictures is too great to be explained by camera angle and distance. I think the Powell photo is probably the good one and the Dillard is fake, because the Dillard boxes match the official pictures of the sniper's nest. Since they wouldn't fake it to be different, the Powell is probably genuine. There are other differences involving people, but people can move quickly. Those boxes would need some time. Dillard was an "official" photographer. He was supposed to be there and would have been on the conspiracy's photographer list. Powell just happened to come on his own, and then afterwards, by his account, went around with the police because he has some kind of intelligence credentials. That might make him seem suspicious, but I think that probably is what kept him under the radar of the conspirators. They didn't get to his film in time to change the boxes to the way they wanted them. It might also imply other things, since a couple of people are visible in the Dillard who aren't visible in the Powell.
Saintly Oswald
2012-12-19 08:31:47 UTC
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I haven't studied the testimony of these fellows. I guess I'll have to. That Jarman in the Dillard photo looks too bizarre to be real.
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This is the best resolution of the Dillard close-up I've seen, and Norman looks so pasted-in...I'm beginning to think it's faked again. Maybe that's why you can't see Norman in the Powell. Maybe he wasn't there during the assassination.
Oh, Lord! That's what I've been suggesting for years. I've more than suggested that Jarman wasn't there. Their combined statements are a good clue. Nothing from them that Friday. (Just Williams saying that they were there with him.) Jarman's first statement Saturday--and he seems to have himself out front, below, at 12:30. Sunday, for the first time, Jarman has himself on the 5th floor. Only on Tuesday, finally, does Norman say he was on the fifth floor....
dcw
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https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-jIgHvFpLJZA/UNDtJL2PpoI/AAAAAAAAAoY/YjwFk3CrBuA/s1022/NormanDillard.jpg
Post by Saintly Oswald
The Dillard and Powell photos seem to have been taken at nearly the same time, according the photographers' independent accounts and according to some details in the photos. But there are differences in the photos, most importantly, probably, the boxes in the sniper's nest. The difference in the boxes in the two pictures is too great to be explained by camera angle and distance. I think the Powell photo is probably the good one and the Dillard is fake, because the Dillard boxes match the official pictures of the sniper's nest. Since they wouldn't fake it to be different, the Powell is probably genuine. There are other differences involving people, but people can move quickly. Those boxes would need some time. Dillard was an "official" photographer. He was supposed to be there and would have been on the conspiracy's photographer list. Powell just happened to come on his own, and then afterwards, by his account, went around with the police because he has some kind of intelligence credentials. That might make him seem suspicious, but I think that probably is what kept him under the radar of the conspirators. They didn't get to his film in time to change the boxes to the way they wanted them. It might also imply other things, since a couple of people are visible in the Dillard who aren't visible in the Powell.
Saintly Oswald
2012-12-18 22:39:43 UTC
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Also, in the Powell the Jarman window is empty, of course, but there is a faint blotch there which is suggestive of alteration. It might just be some digitization effect, but now I've seen it in two different source files. I enhanced the contrast and brightness here to try to make it show up better. Loading Image...
Post by Saintly Oswald
The Dillard and Powell photos seem to have been taken at nearly the same time, according the photographers' independent accounts and according to some details in the photos. But there are differences in the photos, most importantly, probably, the boxes in the sniper's nest. The difference in the boxes in the two pictures is too great to be explained by camera angle and distance. I think the Powell photo is probably the good one and the Dillard is fake, because the Dillard boxes match the official pictures of the sniper's nest. Since they wouldn't fake it to be different, the Powell is probably genuine. There are other differences involving people, but people can move quickly. Those boxes would need some time. Dillard was an "official" photographer. He was supposed to be there and would have been on the conspiracy's photographer list. Powell just happened to come on his own, and then afterwards, by his account, went around with the police because he has some kind of intelligence credentials. That might make him seem suspicious, but I think that probably is what kept him under the radar of the conspirators. They didn't get to his film in time to change the boxes to the way they wanted them. It might also imply other things, since a couple of people are visible in the Dillard who aren't visible in the Powell.
Saintly Oswald
2012-12-18 22:54:29 UTC
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Yes. I'm sure Norman is pasted in here. Bonnie Ray Williams' head throws a shadow onto his shirt. So should Norman's, but it doesn't. Norman's shadow ends at his neck and looks very much like his head and neck were pasted in as on piece on top of the shirt. https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-jIgHvFpLJZA/UNDtJL2PpoI/AAAAAAAAAoY/YjwFk3CrBuA/s1022/NormanDillard.jpg
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Also, in the Powell the Jarman window is empty, of course, but there is a faint blotch there which is suggestive of alteration. It might just be some digitization effect, but now I've seen it in two different source files. I enhanced the contrast and brightness here to try to make it show up better. https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-FgWETkp7jyc/UNDvuzMougI/AAAAAAAAAo4/WuVUHa8UODU/s988/PowellWindow.jpg
Post by Saintly Oswald
The Dillard and Powell photos seem to have been taken at nearly the same time, according the photographers' independent accounts and according to some details in the photos. But there are differences in the photos, most importantly, probably, the boxes in the sniper's nest. The difference in the boxes in the two pictures is too great to be explained by camera angle and distance. I think the Powell photo is probably the good one and the Dillard is fake, because the Dillard boxes match the official pictures of the sniper's nest. Since they wouldn't fake it to be different, the Powell is probably genuine. There are other differences involving people, but people can move quickly. Those boxes would need some time. Dillard was an "official" photographer. He was supposed to be there and would have been on the conspiracy's photographer list. Powell just happened to come on his own, and then afterwards, by his account, went around with the police because he has some kind of intelligence credentials. That might make him seem suspicious, but I think that probably is what kept him under the radar of the conspirators. They didn't get to his film in time to change the boxes to the way they wanted them. It might also imply other things, since a couple of people are visible in the Dillard who aren't visible in the Powell.
Saintly Oswald
2012-12-18 23:21:43 UTC
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This is a really awesome version of the Dillard. I've never been sure there was somebody standing in that window next to the sniper's nest, but I see him now, and it doesn't look like Oswald. Loading Image...
Post by Saintly Oswald
The Dillard and Powell photos seem to have been taken at nearly the same time, according the photographers' independent accounts and according to some details in the photos. But there are differences in the photos, most importantly, probably, the boxes in the sniper's nest. The difference in the boxes in the two pictures is too great to be explained by camera angle and distance. I think the Powell photo is probably the good one and the Dillard is fake, because the Dillard boxes match the official pictures of the sniper's nest. Since they wouldn't fake it to be different, the Powell is probably genuine. There are other differences involving people, but people can move quickly. Those boxes would need some time. Dillard was an "official" photographer. He was supposed to be there and would have been on the conspiracy's photographer list. Powell just happened to come on his own, and then afterwards, by his account, went around with the police because he has some kind of intelligence credentials. That might make him seem suspicious, but I think that probably is what kept him under the radar of the conspirators. They didn't get to his film in time to change the boxes to the way they wanted them. It might also imply other things, since a couple of people are visible in the Dillard who aren't visible in the Powell.
Saintly Oswald
2012-12-19 09:33:44 UTC
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No doubt about it. Norman was pasted into the Dillard. The edge of the "paste" on the left of his head is back where there SHOULD BE shadow, but that edge is LIGHTER than it's surroundings. The Dillard IS a fake. Norman is not there.

https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-jIgHvFpLJZA/UNDtJL2PpoI/AAAAAAAAAoY/YjwFk3CrBuA/s1022/NormanDillard.jpg
Post by Saintly Oswald
The Dillard and Powell photos seem to have been taken at nearly the same time, according the photographers' independent accounts and according to some details in the photos. But there are differences in the photos, most importantly, probably, the boxes in the sniper's nest. The difference in the boxes in the two pictures is too great to be explained by camera angle and distance. I think the Powell photo is probably the good one and the Dillard is fake, because the Dillard boxes match the official pictures of the sniper's nest. Since they wouldn't fake it to be different, the Powell is probably genuine. There are other differences involving people, but people can move quickly. Those boxes would need some time. Dillard was an "official" photographer. He was supposed to be there and would have been on the conspiracy's photographer list. Powell just happened to come on his own, and then afterwards, by his account, went around with the police because he has some kind of intelligence credentials. That might make him seem suspicious, but I think that probably is what kept him under the radar of the conspirators. They didn't get to his film in time to change the boxes to the way they wanted them. It might also imply other things, since a couple of people are visible in the Dillard who aren't visible in the Powell.
Saintly Oswald
2012-12-19 10:13:24 UTC
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One implication of the faking of Norman in the Dillard is that the testimony of the "boys" on the 5th floor that there was somebody above them shooting a bolt action rifle must be discounted. It's bullshit. I'm not saying that nobody was shooting from a TSBD east window, but the testimony from these three guys cannot be believed. Perhaps the authorities faked the evidence simply to confirm what they already believed to be true.
Post by Saintly Oswald
The Dillard and Powell photos seem to have been taken at nearly the same time, according the photographers' independent accounts and according to some details in the photos. But there are differences in the photos, most importantly, probably, the boxes in the sniper's nest. The difference in the boxes in the two pictures is too great to be explained by camera angle and distance. I think the Powell photo is probably the good one and the Dillard is fake, because the Dillard boxes match the official pictures of the sniper's nest. Since they wouldn't fake it to be different, the Powell is probably genuine. There are other differences involving people, but people can move quickly. Those boxes would need some time. Dillard was an "official" photographer. He was supposed to be there and would have been on the conspiracy's photographer list. Powell just happened to come on his own, and then afterwards, by his account, went around with the police because he has some kind of intelligence credentials. That might make him seem suspicious, but I think that probably is what kept him under the radar of the conspirators. They didn't get to his film in time to change the boxes to the way they wanted them. It might also imply other things, since a couple of people are visible in the Dillard who aren't visible in the Powell.
Walt
2012-12-19 14:25:37 UTC
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Post by Saintly Oswald
One implication of the faking of Norman in the Dillard is that the testimony of the "boys" on the 5th floor that there was somebody above them shooting a bolt action rifle must be discounted. It's bullshit. I'm not saying that nobody was shooting from a TSBD east window, but the testimony from these three guys cannot be believed. Perhaps the authorities faked the evidence simply to confirm what they already believed to be true.
Take a CRITICAL look at Tom Dillard's photo...... It was taken DURING
the shooting and there is NOBODY shooting a rifle from that EAST end
window.
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Post by Saintly Oswald
The Dillard and Powell photos seem to have been taken at nearly the same time, according the photographers' independent accounts and according to some details in the photos. But there are differences in the photos, most importantly, probably, the boxes in the sniper's nest. The difference in the boxes in the two pictures is too great to be explained by camera angle and distance. I think the Powell photo is probably the good one and the Dillard is fake, because the Dillard boxes match the official pictures of the sniper's nest. Since they wouldn't fake it to be different, the Powell is probably genuine. There are other differences involving people, but people can move quickly. Those boxes would need some time. Dillard was an "official" photographer. He was supposed to be there and would have been on the conspiracy's photographer list. Powell just happened to come on his own, and then afterwards, by his account, went around with the police because he has some kind of intelligence credentials. That might make him seem suspicious, but I think that probably is what kept him under the radar of the conspirators. They didn't get to his film in time to change the boxes to the way they wanted them. It might also imply other things, since a couple of people are visible in the Dillard who aren't visible in the Powell.
Saintly Oswald
2012-12-19 16:17:41 UTC
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Dillard said he took it after the shooting, and I don't see how you can prove that it is during. The fact that you can see somebody in a window doesn't prove it.
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One implication of the faking of Norman in the Dillard is that the testimony of the "boys" on the 5th floor that there was somebody above them shooting a bolt action rifle must be discounted. It's bullshit. I'm not saying that nobody was shooting from a TSBD east window, but the testimony from these three guys cannot be believed. Perhaps the authorities faked the evidence simply to confirm what they already believed to be true.
Take a CRITICAL look at Tom Dillard's photo...... It was taken DURING
the shooting and there is NOBODY shooting a rifle from that EAST end
window.
Post by Saintly Oswald
Post by Saintly Oswald
The Dillard and Powell photos seem to have been taken at nearly the same time, according the photographers' independent accounts and according to some details in the photos. But there are differences in the photos, most importantly, probably, the boxes in the sniper's nest. The difference in the boxes in the two pictures is too great to be explained by camera angle and distance. I think the Powell photo is probably the good one and the Dillard is fake, because the Dillard boxes match the official pictures of the sniper's nest. Since they wouldn't fake it to be different, the Powell is probably genuine. There are other differences involving people, but people can move quickly. Those boxes would need some time. Dillard was an "official" photographer. He was supposed to be there and would have been on the conspiracy's photographer list. Powell just happened to come on his own, and then afterwards, by his account, went around with the police because he has some kind of intelligence credentials. That might make him seem suspicious, but I think that probably is what kept him under the radar of the conspirators. They didn't get to his film in time to change the boxes to the way they wanted them. It might also imply other things, since a couple of people are visible in the Dillard who aren't visible in the Powell.
Walt
2012-12-19 16:48:14 UTC
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Post by Saintly Oswald
Dillard said he took it after the shooting, and I don't see how you can prove that it is during. The fact that you can see somebody in a window doesn't prove it.
I'm telling you the PROOF, that Dillard took his photo DURING the
shooting, is right there in his photo. Other FACTS merely
substantiate the photo evidence.
Post by Saintly Oswald
Post by Saintly Oswald
One implication of the faking of Norman in the Dillard is that the testimony of the "boys" on the 5th floor that there was somebody above them shooting a bolt action rifle must be discounted. It's bullshit. I'm not saying that nobody was shooting from a TSBD east window, but the testimony from these three guys cannot be believed. Perhaps the authorities faked the evidence simply to confirm what they already believed to be true.
Take a CRITICAL look at Tom Dillard's photo......  It was taken DURING
the shooting and there is NOBODY shooting a rifle from that EAST end
window.
Post by Saintly Oswald
Post by Saintly Oswald
The Dillard and Powell photos seem to have been taken at nearly the same time, according the photographers' independent accounts and according to some details in the photos. But there are differences in the photos, most importantly, probably, the boxes in the sniper's nest. The difference in the boxes in the two pictures is too great to be explained by camera angle and distance. I think the Powell photo is probably the good one and the Dillard is fake, because the Dillard boxes match the official pictures of the sniper's nest. Since they wouldn't fake it to be different, the Powell is probably genuine. There are other differences involving people, but people can move quickly. Those boxes would need some time. Dillard was an "official" photographer. He was supposed to be there and would have been on the conspiracy's photographer list. Powell just happened to come on his own, and then afterwards, by his account, went around with the police because he has some kind of intelligence credentials. That might make him seem suspicious, but I think that probably is what kept him under the radar of the conspirators. They didn't get to his film in time to change the boxes to the way they wanted them. It might also imply other things, since a couple of people are visible in the Dillard who aren't visible in the Powell.
Saintly Oswald
2012-12-19 18:08:37 UTC
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Fine. You're telling me. Meanwhile, back on planet Earth, I'm not sure this new version of the Dillard that I've been fawning over isn't a DIGITAL fake. Somebody might have fucked around with it just play with people like me. If so, it's a really good job on the guy in the window next to Oswald's window. But Norman looks like he may have been faked to fake a fake.
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Dillard said he took it after the shooting, and I don't see how you can prove that it is during. The fact that you can see somebody in a window doesn't prove it.
I'm telling you the PROOF, that Dillard took his photo DURING the
shooting, is right there in his photo. Other FACTS merely
substantiate the photo evidence.
Post by Saintly Oswald
Post by Saintly Oswald
One implication of the faking of Norman in the Dillard is that the testimony of the "boys" on the 5th floor that there was somebody above them shooting a bolt action rifle must be discounted. It's bullshit. I'm not saying that nobody was shooting from a TSBD east window, but the testimony from these three guys cannot be believed. Perhaps the authorities faked the evidence simply to confirm what they already believed to be true.
Take a CRITICAL look at Tom Dillard's photo......  It was taken DURING
the shooting and there is NOBODY shooting a rifle from that EAST end
window.
Post by Saintly Oswald
Post by Saintly Oswald
The Dillard and Powell photos seem to have been taken at nearly the same time, according the photographers' independent accounts and according to some details in the photos. But there are differences in the photos, most importantly, probably, the boxes in the sniper's nest. The difference in the boxes in the two pictures is too great to be explained by camera angle and distance. I think the Powell photo is probably the good one and the Dillard is fake, because the Dillard boxes match the official pictures of the sniper's nest. Since they wouldn't fake it to be different, the Powell is probably genuine. There are other differences involving people, but people can move quickly. Those boxes would need some time. Dillard was an "official" photographer. He was supposed to be there and would have been on the conspiracy's photographer list. Powell just happened to come on his own, and then afterwards, by his account, went around with the police because he has some kind of intelligence credentials. That might make him seem suspicious, but I think that probably is what kept him under the radar of the conspirators. They didn't get to his film in time to change the boxes to the way they wanted them. It might also imply other things, since a couple of people are visible in the Dillard who aren't visible in the Powell.
Saintly Oswald
2012-12-19 18:29:57 UTC
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Anyway, I got the photo from this place http://www.jfkassassinationgallery.com/ . I think these are the assholes who banned me from their forum, though I don't seemed to be banned anymore. It's not clear to me where their gallery pictures come from.
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Fine. You're telling me. Meanwhile, back on planet Earth, I'm not sure this new version of the Dillard that I've been fawning over isn't a DIGITAL fake. Somebody might have fucked around with it just play with people like me. If so, it's a really good job on the guy in the window next to Oswald's window. But Norman looks like he may have been faked to fake a fake.
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Dillard said he took it after the shooting, and I don't see how you can prove that it is during. The fact that you can see somebody in a window doesn't prove it.
I'm telling you the PROOF, that Dillard took his photo DURING the
shooting, is right there in his photo. Other FACTS merely
substantiate the photo evidence.
Post by Saintly Oswald
Post by Saintly Oswald
One implication of the faking of Norman in the Dillard is that the testimony of the "boys" on the 5th floor that there was somebody above them shooting a bolt action rifle must be discounted. It's bullshit. I'm not saying that nobody was shooting from a TSBD east window, but the testimony from these three guys cannot be believed. Perhaps the authorities faked the evidence simply to confirm what they already believed to be true.
Take a CRITICAL look at Tom Dillard's photo......  It was taken DURING
the shooting and there is NOBODY shooting a rifle from that EAST end
window.
Post by Saintly Oswald
Post by Saintly Oswald
The Dillard and Powell photos seem to have been taken at nearly the same time, according the photographers' independent accounts and according to some details in the photos. But there are differences in the photos, most importantly, probably, the boxes in the sniper's nest. The difference in the boxes in the two pictures is too great to be explained by camera angle and distance. I think the Powell photo is probably the good one and the Dillard is fake, because the Dillard boxes match the official pictures of the sniper's nest. Since they wouldn't fake it to be different, the Powell is probably genuine. There are other differences involving people, but people can move quickly. Those boxes would need some time. Dillard was an "official" photographer. He was supposed to be there and would have been on the conspiracy's photographer list. Powell just happened to come on his own, and then afterwards, by his account, went around with the police because he has some kind of intelligence credentials. That might make him seem suspicious, but I think that probably is what kept him under the radar of the conspirators. They didn't get to his film in time to change the boxes to the way they wanted them. It might also imply other things, since a couple of people are visible in the Dillard who aren't visible in the Powell.
dcw
2012-12-20 06:45:52 UTC
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Post by Saintly Oswald
One implication of the faking of Norman in the Dillard is that the testimony of the "boys" on the 5th floor that there was somebody above them shooting a bolt action rifle must be discounted.
As Barb J has always asked, Why did Norman wait a week or so before mentioning the rifle action above?
dcws


It's bullshit. I'm not saying that nobody was shooting from a TSBD east window, but the testimony from these three guys cannot be believed. Perhaps the authorities faked the evidence simply to confirm what they already believed to be true.
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The Dillard and Powell photos seem to have been taken at nearly the same time, according the photographers' independent accounts and according to some details in the photos. But there are differences in the photos, most importantly, probably, the boxes in the sniper's nest. The difference in the boxes in the two pictures is too great to be explained by camera angle and distance. I think the Powell photo is probably the good one and the Dillard is fake, because the Dillard boxes match the official pictures of the sniper's nest. Since they wouldn't fake it to be different, the Powell is probably genuine. There are other differences involving people, but people can move quickly. Those boxes would need some time. Dillard was an "official" photographer. He was supposed to be there and would have been on the conspiracy's photographer list. Powell just happened to come on his own, and then afterwards, by his account, went around with the police because he has some kind of intelligence credentials. That might make him seem suspicious, but I think that probably is what kept him under the radar of the conspirators. They didn't get to his film in time to change the boxes to the way they wanted them. It might also imply other things, since a couple of people are visible in the Dillard who aren't visible in the Powell.
Saintly Oswald
2012-12-20 08:12:39 UTC
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While I was reading Norman's WC testimony, I was impressed with how rational, complete and to-the-point his answers were, as if they were well-studied. Of course, in the testimony itself, he and the questioner, Mr. Ball I think, made reference to the rehearsal they had all had at the TSBD a couple of days before, along with Williams and Jarman.
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One implication of the faking of Norman in the Dillard is that the testimony of the "boys" on the 5th floor that there was somebody above them shooting a bolt action rifle must be discounted.
As Barb J has always asked, Why did Norman wait a week or so before mentioning the rifle action above?
dcws
It's bullshit. I'm not saying that nobody was shooting from a TSBD east window, but the testimony from these three guys cannot be believed. Perhaps the authorities faked the evidence simply to confirm what they already believed to be true.
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The Dillard and Powell photos seem to have been taken at nearly the same time, according the photographers' independent accounts and according to some details in the photos. But there are differences in the photos, most importantly, probably, the boxes in the sniper's nest. The difference in the boxes in the two pictures is too great to be explained by camera angle and distance. I think the Powell photo is probably the good one and the Dillard is fake, because the Dillard boxes match the official pictures of the sniper's nest. Since they wouldn't fake it to be different, the Powell is probably genuine. There are other differences involving people, but people can move quickly. Those boxes would need some time. Dillard was an "official" photographer. He was supposed to be there and would have been on the conspiracy's photographer list. Powell just happened to come on his own, and then afterwards, by his account, went around with the police because he has some kind of intelligence credentials. That might make him seem suspicious, but I think that probably is what kept him under the radar of the conspirators. They didn't get to his film in time to change the boxes to the way they wanted them. It might also imply other things, since a couple of people are visible in the Dillard who aren't visible in the Powell.
Saintly Oswald
2012-12-19 11:12:17 UTC
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This is very interesting. In the Powell photo there are two people visible who are not behind glass. Those two people look to be in precisely the same positions in the Dillard wide shot. This is extremely unlikely, in my opinion. Those two people are Bonnie Ray Williams and a woman on the 4th floor west. The Wilson fella, behind his glass, is clearly not in the same position in the two photos. Jarman is in only in the Dillard photos and Norman is visible only in the Dillard closeup. My poor little brain is hurting, here. Those two people cannot be in precisely the same positions when other things have changed so dramatically. That means that they have been cut and pasted from one to the other. But, if this faking was done, why isn't the fake consistent? Why isn't Jarman in both? Jarman is the key, because Norman can be explained away as simply not being visible in the wide angle shots. So, why is Jarman not in the Powell? One of the photos must be the source material for the woman on the 4th floor and Bonnie Ray Williams. But, Williams is in the nice Dillard closeup, too, in higher resolution than the Powell, in that same position, so the Powell cannot be the source for Williams. But, if Dillard is the source and the final fake used by the conspiracy, why isn't the Powell fully faked? I think this only makes sense if Williams wasn't there during the shooting, either. For some reason, early on they determined they wanted Williams there, but had not determined that they wanted Jarman and Norman in the picture. When they thought they had it right, they relinquished control of the Powell, but still had the Dillard. Then they decided that they needed Jarman and Norman in the picture, so they added them to the Dillard before they let that one go, leaving the already-released Powell inconsistent with the final version of the Dillard.
The Dillard and Powell photos seem to have been taken at nearly the same time, according the photographers' independent accounts and according to some details in the photos. But there are differences in the photos, most importantly, probably, the boxes in the sniper's nest. The difference in the boxes in the two pictures is too great to be explained by camera angle and distance. I think the Powell photo is probably the good one and the Dillard is fake, because the Dillard boxes match the official pictures of the sniper's nest. Since they wouldn't fake it to be different, the Powell is probably genuine. There are other differences involving people, but people can move quickly. Those boxes would need some time. Dillard was an "official" photographer. He was supposed to be there and would have been on the conspiracy's photographer list. Powell just happened to come on his own, and then afterwards, by his account, went around with the police because he has some kind of intelligence credentials. That might make him seem suspicious, but I think that probably is what kept him under the radar of the conspirators. They didn't get to his film in time to change the boxes to the way they wanted them. It might also imply other things, since a couple of people are visible in the Dillard who aren't visible in the Powell. Jarman is only in the Dillard photos and Norman is visible only in the Dillard closeup.
Saintly Oswald
2012-12-19 11:52:34 UTC
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Rereading my last post, it seems that I reject the possibility that Dillard could be the source material for Williams and the 4th floor woman in the Powell. I am biased in favor of the Powell for no good reason. Williams could have been there during the shooting and the Dillard could have provided source material for the Powell. But that faking of the Powell would have been done before Jarman was added to the Dillard.
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This is very interesting. In the Powell photo there are two people visible who are not behind glass. Those two people look to be in precisely the same positions in the Dillard wide shot. This is extremely unlikely, in my opinion. Those two people are Bonnie Ray Williams and a woman on the 4th floor west. The Wilson fella, behind his glass, is clearly not in the same position in the two photos. Jarman is in only in the Dillard photos and Norman is visible only in the Dillard closeup. My poor little brain is hurting, here. Those two people cannot be in precisely the same positions when other things have changed so dramatically. That means that they have been cut and pasted from one to the other. But, if this faking was done, why isn't the fake consistent? Why isn't Jarman in both? Jarman is the key, because Norman can be explained away as simply not being visible in the wide angle shots. So, why is Jarman not in the Powell? One of the photos must be the source material for the woman on the 4th floor and Bonnie Ray Williams. But, Williams is in the nice Dillard closeup, too, in higher resolution than the Powell, in that same position, so the Powell cannot be the source for Williams. But, if Dillard is the source and the final fake used by the conspiracy, why isn't the Powell fully faked? I think this only makes sense if Williams wasn't there during the shooting, either. For some reason, early on they determined they wanted Williams there, but had not determined that they wanted Jarman and Norman in the picture. When they thought they had it right, they relinquished control of the Powell, but still had the Dillard. Then they decided that they needed Jarman and Norman in the picture, so they added them to the Dillard before they let that one go, leaving the already-released Powell inconsistent with the final version of the Dillard.
The Dillard and Powell photos seem to have been taken at nearly the same time, according the photographers' independent accounts and according to some details in the photos. But there are differences in the photos, most importantly, probably, the boxes in the sniper's nest. The difference in the boxes in the two pictures is too great to be explained by camera angle and distance. I think the Powell photo is probably the good one and the Dillard is fake, because the Dillard boxes match the official pictures of the sniper's nest. Since they wouldn't fake it to be different, the Powell is probably genuine. There are other differences involving people, but people can move quickly. Those boxes would need some time. Dillard was an "official" photographer. He was supposed to be there and would have been on the conspiracy's photographer list. Powell just happened to come on his own, and then afterwards, by his account, went around with the police because he has some kind of intelligence credentials. That might make him seem suspicious, but I think that probably is what kept him under the radar of the conspirators. They didn't get to his film in time to change the boxes to the way they wanted them. It might also imply other things, since a couple of people are visible in the Dillard who aren't visible in the Powell. Jarman is only in the Dillard photos and Norman is visible only in the Dillard closeup.
Saintly Oswald
2012-12-19 13:51:20 UTC
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The Weaver photo is interesting. It was taken while the presidential limousine was rounding the corner of Main and Houston, so it is earlier than the Powell and Dillards are supposed to be, but some things can be seen in the windows. There appears to be nobody in the Jarman or Williams windows, but perhaps two people in the Norman window. It's easy to imagine a gun in that window, too, but the clarity is not good enough. Loading Image...
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Rereading my last post, it seems that I reject the possibility that Dillard could be the source material for Williams and the 4th floor woman in the Powell. I am biased in favor of the Powell for no good reason. Williams could have been there during the shooting and the Dillard could have provided source material for the Powell. But that faking of the Powell would have been done before Jarman was added to the Dillard.
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This is very interesting. In the Powell photo there are two people visible who are not behind glass. Those two people look to be in precisely the same positions in the Dillard wide shot. This is extremely unlikely, in my opinion. Those two people are Bonnie Ray Williams and a woman on the 4th floor west. The Wilson fella, behind his glass, is clearly not in the same position in the two photos. Jarman is in only in the Dillard photos and Norman is visible only in the Dillard closeup. My poor little brain is hurting, here. Those two people cannot be in precisely the same positions when other things have changed so dramatically. That means that they have been cut and pasted from one to the other. But, if this faking was done, why isn't the fake consistent? Why isn't Jarman in both? Jarman is the key, because Norman can be explained away as simply not being visible in the wide angle shots. So, why is Jarman not in the Powell? One of the photos must be the source material for the woman on the 4th floor and Bonnie Ray Williams. But, Williams is in the nice Dillard closeup, too, in higher resolution than the Powell, in that same position, so the Powell cannot be the source for Williams. But, if Dillard is the source and the final fake used by the conspiracy, why isn't the Powell fully faked? I think this only makes sense if Williams wasn't there during the shooting, either. For some reason, early on they determined they wanted Williams there, but had not determined that they wanted Jarman and Norman in the picture. When they thought they had it right, they relinquished control of the Powell, but still had the Dillard. Then they decided that they needed Jarman and Norman in the picture, so they added them to the Dillard before they let that one go, leaving the already-released Powell inconsistent with the final version of the Dillard.
The Dillard and Powell photos seem to have been taken at nearly the same time, according the photographers' independent accounts and according to some details in the photos. But there are differences in the photos, most importantly, probably, the boxes in the sniper's nest. The difference in the boxes in the two pictures is too great to be explained by camera angle and distance. I think the Powell photo is probably the good one and the Dillard is fake, because the Dillard boxes match the official pictures of the sniper's nest. Since they wouldn't fake it to be different, the Powell is probably genuine. There are other differences involving people, but people can move quickly. Those boxes would need some time. Dillard was an "official" photographer. He was supposed to be there and would have been on the conspiracy's photographer list. Powell just happened to come on his own, and then afterwards, by his account, went around with the police because he has some kind of intelligence credentials. That might make him seem suspicious, but I think that probably is what kept him under the radar of the conspirators. They didn't get to his film in time to change the boxes to the way they wanted them. It might also imply other things, since a couple of people are visible in the Dillard who aren't visible in the Powell. Jarman is only in the Dillard photos and Norman is visible only in the Dillard closeup.
Walt
2012-12-19 14:27:55 UTC
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Post by Saintly Oswald
Rereading my last post, it seems that I reject the possibility that Dillard could be the source material for Williams and the 4th floor woman in the Powell. I am biased in favor of the Powell for no good reason. Williams could have been there during the shooting and the Dillard could have provided source material for the Powell. But that faking of the Powell would have been done before Jarman was added to the Dillard.
Post by Saintly Oswald
This is very interesting. In the Powell photo there are two people visible who are not behind glass. Those two people look to be in precisely the same positions in the Dillard wide shot. This is extremely unlikely, in my opinion. Those two people are Bonnie Ray Williams and a woman on the 4th floor west. The Wilson fella, behind his glass, is clearly not in the same position in the two photos. Jarman is in only in the Dillard photos and Norman is visible only in the Dillard closeup. My poor little brain is hurting, here. Those two people cannot be in precisely the same positions when other things have changed so dramatically. That means that they have been cut and pasted from one to the other. But, if this faking was done, why isn't the fake consistent? Why isn't Jarman in both? Jarman is the key, because Norman can be explained away as simply not being visible in the wide angle shots. So, why is Jarman not in the Powell? One of the photos must be the source material for the woman on the 4th floor and Bonnie Ray Williams. But, Williams is in the nice Dillard closeup, too, in higher resolution than the Powell, in that same position, so the Powell cannot be the source for Williams. But, if Dillard is the source and the final fake used by the conspiracy, why isn't the Powell fully faked? I think this only makes sense if Williams wasn't there during the shooting, either. For some reason, early on they determined they wanted Williams there, but had not determined that they wanted Jarman and Norman in the picture. When they thought they had it right, they relinquished control of the Powell, but still had the Dillard. Then they decided that they needed Jarman and Norman in the picture, so they added them to the Dillard before they let that one go, leaving the already-released Powell inconsistent with the final version of the Dillard.
The Dillard and Powell photos seem to have been taken at nearly the same time, according the photographers' independent accounts and according to some details in the photos. But there are differences in the photos, most importantly, probably, the boxes in the sniper's nest. The difference in the boxes in the two pictures is too great to be explained by camera angle and distance. I think the Powell photo is probably the good one and the Dillard is fake, because the Dillard boxes match the official pictures of the sniper's nest. Since they wouldn't fake it to be different, the Powell is probably genuine. There are other differences involving people, but people can move quickly. Those boxes would need some time. Dillard was an "official" photographer. He was supposed to be there and would have been on the conspiracy's photographer list. Powell just happened to come on his own, and then afterwards, by his account, went around with the police because he has some kind of intelligence credentials. That might make him seem suspicious, but I think that probably is what kept him under the radar of the conspirators. They didn't get to his film in time to change the boxes to the way they wanted them. It might also imply other things, since a couple of people are visible in the Dillard who aren't visible in the Powell. Jarman is only in the Dillard photos and Norman is visible only in the Dillard closeup.
You're on the wrong track with your theory that the Dillard photo is a
fake.
Saintly Oswald
2012-12-19 16:19:11 UTC
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I don't care about right track, wrong track. The evidence is the evidence. Norman was pasted into the picture. That makes it fake.
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Post by Saintly Oswald
Rereading my last post, it seems that I reject the possibility that Dillard could be the source material for Williams and the 4th floor woman in the Powell. I am biased in favor of the Powell for no good reason. Williams could have been there during the shooting and the Dillard could have provided source material for the Powell. But that faking of the Powell would have been done before Jarman was added to the Dillard.
Post by Saintly Oswald
This is very interesting. In the Powell photo there are two people visible who are not behind glass. Those two people look to be in precisely the same positions in the Dillard wide shot. This is extremely unlikely, in my opinion. Those two people are Bonnie Ray Williams and a woman on the 4th floor west. The Wilson fella, behind his glass, is clearly not in the same position in the two photos. Jarman is in only in the Dillard photos and Norman is visible only in the Dillard closeup. My poor little brain is hurting, here. Those two people cannot be in precisely the same positions when other things have changed so dramatically. That means that they have been cut and pasted from one to the other. But, if this faking was done, why isn't the fake consistent? Why isn't Jarman in both? Jarman is the key, because Norman can be explained away as simply not being visible in the wide angle shots. So, why is Jarman not in the Powell? One of the photos must be the source material for the woman on the 4th floor and Bonnie Ray Williams. But, Williams is in the nice Dillard closeup, too, in higher resolution than the Powell, in that same position, so the Powell cannot be the source for Williams. But, if Dillard is the source and the final fake used by the conspiracy, why isn't the Powell fully faked? I think this only makes sense if Williams wasn't there during the shooting, either. For some reason, early on they determined they wanted Williams there, but had not determined that they wanted Jarman and Norman in the picture. When they thought they had it right, they relinquished control of the Powell, but still had the Dillard. Then they decided that they needed Jarman and Norman in the picture, so they added them to the Dillard before they let that one go, leaving the already-released Powell inconsistent with the final version of the Dillard.
The Dillard and Powell photos seem to have been taken at nearly the same time, according the photographers' independent accounts and according to some details in the photos. But there are differences in the photos, most importantly, probably, the boxes in the sniper's nest. The difference in the boxes in the two pictures is too great to be explained by camera angle and distance. I think the Powell photo is probably the good one and the Dillard is fake, because the Dillard boxes match the official pictures of the sniper's nest. Since they wouldn't fake it to be different, the Powell is probably genuine. There are other differences involving people, but people can move quickly. Those boxes would need some time. Dillard was an "official" photographer. He was supposed to be there and would have been on the conspiracy's photographer list. Powell just happened to come on his own, and then afterwards, by his account, went around with the police because he has some kind of intelligence credentials. That might make him seem suspicious, but I think that probably is what kept him under the radar of the conspirators. They didn't get to his film in time to change the boxes to the way they wanted them. It might also imply other things, since a couple of people are visible in the Dillard who aren't visible in the Powell. Jarman is only in the Dillard photos and Norman is visible only in the Dillard closeup.
You're on the wrong track with your theory that the Dillard photo is a
fake.
Saintly Oswald
2012-12-19 16:27:07 UTC
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My theories have no interest in where Norman was. He was a virtual non-character to me 2 days ago. He is important to me now, not because he supports any theory of mine, but because he was pasted into the Dillard photo. That was done for a reason. Perhaps they simply wanted to corroborate what Williams said, so they decided to give him company. Perhaps Norman was there, but you couldn't see him in the picture, so they fudged it. I don't know. But he was pasted in.
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I don't care about right track, wrong track. The evidence is the evidence. Norman was pasted into the picture. That makes it fake.
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Rereading my last post, it seems that I reject the possibility that Dillard could be the source material for Williams and the 4th floor woman in the Powell. I am biased in favor of the Powell for no good reason. Williams could have been there during the shooting and the Dillard could have provided source material for the Powell. But that faking of the Powell would have been done before Jarman was added to the Dillard.
Post by Saintly Oswald
This is very interesting. In the Powell photo there are two people visible who are not behind glass. Those two people look to be in precisely the same positions in the Dillard wide shot. This is extremely unlikely, in my opinion. Those two people are Bonnie Ray Williams and a woman on the 4th floor west. The Wilson fella, behind his glass, is clearly not in the same position in the two photos. Jarman is in only in the Dillard photos and Norman is visible only in the Dillard closeup. My poor little brain is hurting, here. Those two people cannot be in precisely the same positions when other things have changed so dramatically. That means that they have been cut and pasted from one to the other. But, if this faking was done, why isn't the fake consistent? Why isn't Jarman in both? Jarman is the key, because Norman can be explained away as simply not being visible in the wide angle shots. So, why is Jarman not in the Powell? One of the photos must be the source material for the woman on the 4th floor and Bonnie Ray Williams. But, Williams is in the nice Dillard closeup, too, in higher resolution than the Powell, in that same position, so the Powell cannot be the source for Williams. But, if Dillard is the source and the final fake used by the conspiracy, why isn't the Powell fully faked? I think this only makes sense if Williams wasn't there during the shooting, either. For some reason, early on they determined they wanted Williams there, but had not determined that they wanted Jarman and Norman in the picture. When they thought they had it right, they relinquished control of the Powell, but still had the Dillard. Then they decided that they needed Jarman and Norman in the picture, so they added them to the Dillard before they let that one go, leaving the already-released Powell inconsistent with the final version of the Dillard.
The Dillard and Powell photos seem to have been taken at nearly the same time, according the photographers' independent accounts and according to some details in the photos. But there are differences in the photos, most importantly, probably, the boxes in the sniper's nest. The difference in the boxes in the two pictures is too great to be explained by camera angle and distance. I think the Powell photo is probably the good one and the Dillard is fake, because the Dillard boxes match the official pictures of the sniper's nest. Since they wouldn't fake it to be different, the Powell is probably genuine. There are other differences involving people, but people can move quickly. Those boxes would need some time. Dillard was an "official" photographer. He was supposed to be there and would have been on the conspiracy's photographer list. Powell just happened to come on his own, and then afterwards, by his account, went around with the police because he has some kind of intelligence credentials. That might make him seem suspicious, but I think that probably is what kept him under the radar of the conspirators. They didn't get to his film in time to change the boxes to the way they wanted them. It might also imply other things, since a couple of people are visible in the Dillard who aren't visible in the Powell. Jarman is only in the Dillard photos and Norman is visible only in the Dillard closeup.
You're on the wrong track with your theory that the Dillard photo is a
fake.
Walt
2012-12-19 18:03:38 UTC
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Post by Saintly Oswald
My theories have no interest in where Norman was. He was a virtual non-character to me 2 days ago. He is important to me now, not because he supports any theory of mine, but because he was pasted into the Dillard photo. That was done for a reason. Perhaps they simply wanted to corroborate what Williams said, so they decided to give him company. Perhaps Norman was there, but you couldn't see him in the picture, so they fudged it. I don't know. But he was pasted in.
You're right about one thing...... They ( LBJ's "Select Blue Ribbon
Committee" ) needed the three stooges ( not meant in a derogatory
manner) stories to sell their lie.
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I don't care about right track, wrong track. The evidence is the evidence. Norman was pasted into the picture. That makes it fake.
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Post by Saintly Oswald
Rereading my last post, it seems that I reject the possibility that Dillard could be the source material for Williams and the 4th floor woman in the Powell. I am biased in favor of the Powell for no good reason. Williams could have been there during the shooting and the Dillard could have provided source material for the Powell. But that faking of the Powell would have been done before Jarman was added to the Dillard.
Post by Saintly Oswald
This is very interesting. In the Powell photo there are two people visible who are not behind glass. Those two people look to be in precisely the same positions in the Dillard wide shot. This is extremely unlikely, in my opinion. Those two people are Bonnie Ray Williams and a woman on the 4th floor west. The Wilson fella, behind his glass, is clearly not in the same position in the two photos. Jarman is in only in the Dillard photos and Norman is visible only in the Dillard closeup. My poor little brain is hurting, here. Those two people cannot be in precisely the same positions when other things have changed so dramatically. That means that they have been cut and pasted from one to the other. But, if this faking was done, why isn't the fake consistent? Why isn't Jarman in both? Jarman is the key, because Norman can be explained away as simply not being visible in the wide angle shots. So, why is Jarman not in the Powell? One of the photos must be the source material for the woman on the 4th floor and Bonnie Ray Williams. But, Williams is in the nice Dillard closeup, too, in higher resolution than the Powell, in that same position, so the Powell cannot be the source for Williams. But, if Dillard is the source and the final fake used by the conspiracy, why isn't the Powell fully faked? I think this only makes sense if Williams wasn't there during the shooting, either. For some reason, early on they determined they wanted Williams there, but had not determined that they wanted Jarman and Norman in the picture. When they thought they had it right, they relinquished control of the Powell, but still had the Dillard. Then they decided that they needed Jarman and Norman in the picture, so they added them to the Dillard before they let that one go, leaving the already-released Powell inconsistent with the final version of the Dillard.
The Dillard and Powell photos seem to have been taken at nearly the same time, according the photographers' independent accounts and according to some details in the photos. But there are differences in the photos, most importantly, probably, the boxes in the sniper's nest. The difference in the boxes in the two pictures is too great to be explained by camera angle and distance. I think the Powell photo is probably the good one and the Dillard is fake, because the Dillard boxes match the official pictures of the sniper's nest. Since they wouldn't fake it to be different, the Powell is probably genuine. There are other differences involving people, but people can move quickly. Those boxes would need some time. Dillard was an "official" photographer. He was supposed to be there and would have been on the conspiracy's photographer list. Powell just happened to come on his own, and then afterwards, by his account, went around with the police because he has some kind of intelligence credentials. That might make him seem suspicious, but I think that probably is what kept him under the radar of the conspirators. They didn't get to his film in time to change the boxes to the way they wanted them. It might also imply other things, since a couple of people are visible in the Dillard who aren't visible in the Powell. Jarman is only in the Dillard photos and Norman is visible only in the Dillard closeup.
You're on the wrong track with your theory that the Dillard photo is a
fake.
dcw
2012-12-20 06:51:24 UTC
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Post by Saintly Oswald
This is very interesting. In the Powell photo there are two people visible who are not behind glass. Those two people look to be in precisely the same positions in the Dillard wide shot. This is extremely unlikely, in my opinion. Those two people are Bonnie Ray Williams and a woman on the 4th floor west. The Wilson fella, behind his glass, is clearly not in the same position in the two photos. Jarman is in only in the Dillard photos and Norman is visible only in the Dillard closeup. My poor little brain is hurting, here. Those two people cannot be in precisely the same positions when other things have changed so dramatically. That means that they have been cut and pasted from one to the other. But, if this faking was done, why isn't the fake consistent? Why isn't Jarman in both? Jarman is the key, because Norman can be explained away as simply not being visible in the wide angle shots. So, why is Jarman not in the Powell? One of the photos must be the source material for the woman on the 4th floor and Bonnie Ray Williams. But, Williams is in the nice Dillard closeup, too, in higher resolution than the Powell, in that same position, so the Powell cannot be the source for Williams. But, if Dillard is the source and the final fake used by the conspiracy, why isn't the Powell fully faked? I think this only makes sense if Williams wasn't there during the shooting, either. For some reason, early on they determined they wanted Williams there, but had not determined that they wanted Jarman and Norman in the picture. When they thought they had it right, they relinquished control of the Powell, but still had the Dillard. Then they decided that they needed Jarman and Norman in the picture, so they added them to the Dillard before they let that one go, leaving the already-released Powell inconsistent with the final version of the Dillard.
The (cut) Powell was not made public till about 1972; the uncut version apparently first appeared in "Pictures of the Pain" some 20 years after *that*!
dcw
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The Dillard and Powell photos seem to have been taken at nearly the same time, according the photographers' independent accounts and according to some details in the photos. But there are differences in the photos, most importantly, probably, the boxes in the sniper's nest. The difference in the boxes in the two pictures is too great to be explained by camera angle and distance. I think the Powell photo is probably the good one and the Dillard is fake, because the Dillard boxes match the official pictures of the sniper's nest. Since they wouldn't fake it to be different, the Powell is probably genuine. There are other differences involving people, but people can move quickly. Those boxes would need some time. Dillard was an "official" photographer. He was supposed to be there and would have been on the conspiracy's photographer list. Powell just happened to come on his own, and then afterwards, by his account, went around with the police because he has some kind of intelligence credentials. That might make him seem suspicious, but I think that probably is what kept him under the radar of the conspirators. They didn't get to his film in time to change the boxes to the way they wanted them. It might also imply other things, since a couple of people are visible in the Dillard who aren't visible in the Powell. Jarman is only in the Dillard photos and Norman is visible only in the Dillard closeup.
Saintly Oswald
2012-12-19 20:20:37 UTC
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On way to approach Walt's theory is to examine the building's shadow on the fire escape, which is visible in both photos. I'm not an expert on this kind of thing and I don't know how much the camera angles might effect the result, but the ladder should become more shadowed as time passes. It does seem to have noticeable increase of shadow on the Dillard compared to the Powell, suggesting that Walt may be right. I hope it doesn't go to his head.

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The Dillard and Powell photos seem to have been taken at nearly the same time, according the photographers' independent accounts and according to some details in the photos. But there are differences in the photos, most importantly, probably, the boxes in the sniper's nest. The difference in the boxes in the two pictures is too great to be explained by camera angle and distance. I think the Powell photo is probably the good one and the Dillard is fake, because the Dillard boxes match the official pictures of the sniper's nest. Since they wouldn't fake it to be different, the Powell is probably genuine. There are other differences involving people, but people can move quickly. Those boxes would need some time. Dillard was an "official" photographer. He was supposed to be there and would have been on the conspiracy's photographer list. Powell just happened to come on his own, and then afterwards, by his account, went around with the police because he has some kind of intelligence credentials. That might make him seem suspicious, but I think that probably is what kept him under the radar of the conspirators. They didn't get to his film in time to change the boxes to the way they wanted them. It might also imply other things, since a couple of people are visible in the Dillard who aren't visible in the Powell.
Walt
2012-12-19 22:39:58 UTC
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Post by Saintly Oswald
On way to approach Walt's theory is to examine the building's shadow on the fire escape, which is visible in both photos. I'm not an expert on this kind of thing and I don't know how much the camera angles might effect the result, but the ladder should become more shadowed as time passes. It does seem to have noticeable increase of shadow on the Dillard compared to the Powell, suggesting that Walt may be right. I hope it doesn't go to his head.
https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-z0ckuIqrWDA/UNIhbBnGIUI/AAAAAAAAAr...
Excellent..... Since the sun had already reached it's zenith about 45
minutes before the shooting and was sliding toward the western horizon
the shadows of objects were growing longer minute by minute. Therefore
any photo that shows a longer shadow when compared with another photo
will have been taken AFTER it's comparison photo.
It's obvious that the shadow on the fire escape is longer in the
Dillard photo..... Therefore the Powell photo was taken BEFORE the
Dillard photo.
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The Dillard and Powell photos seem to have been taken at nearly the same time, according the photographers' independent accounts and according to some details in the photos. But there are differences in the photos, most importantly, probably, the boxes in the sniper's nest. The difference in the boxes in the two pictures is too great to be explained by camera angle and distance. I think the Powell photo is probably the good one and the Dillard is fake, because the Dillard boxes match the official pictures of the sniper's nest. Since they wouldn't fake it to be different, the Powell is probably genuine. There are other differences involving people, but people can move quickly. Those boxes would need some time. Dillard was an "official" photographer. He was supposed to be there and would have been on the conspiracy's photographer list. Powell just happened to come on his own, and then afterwards, by his account, went around with the police because he has some kind of intelligence credentials. That might make him seem suspicious, but I think that probably is what kept him under the radar of the conspirators. They didn't get to his film in time to change the boxes to the way they wanted them. It might also imply other things, since a couple of people are visible in the Dillard who aren't visible in the Powell.
Walt
2012-12-19 22:56:57 UTC
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Post by Saintly Oswald
On way to approach Walt's theory is to examine the building's shadow on the fire escape, which is visible in both photos. I'm not an expert on this kind of thing and I don't know how much the camera angles might effect the result, but the ladder should become more shadowed as time passes. It does seem to have noticeable increase of shadow on the Dillard compared to the Powell, suggesting that Walt may be right. I hope it doesn't go to his head.
https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-z0ckuIqrWDA/UNIhbBnGIUI/AAAAAAAAAr...
Walt may be right. I hope it doesn't go to his head.

Not to worry..... I'm not one to crow, but I am happy that you've
finally found proof that Powell took his photo BEFORE the motorcade
ever arrived in Dealey plaza. I can tell you that there is also
proof in the Dillard photo that it was taken DURING the
shooting...... And Lee Oswald (nor anybody else) is behind that east
end window.
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The Dillard and Powell photos seem to have been taken at nearly the same time, according the photographers' independent accounts and according to some details in the photos. But there are differences in the photos, most importantly, probably, the boxes in the sniper's nest. The difference in the boxes in the two pictures is too great to be explained by camera angle and distance. I think the Powell photo is probably the good one and the Dillard is fake, because the Dillard boxes match the official pictures of the sniper's nest. Since they wouldn't fake it to be different, the Powell is probably genuine. There are other differences involving people, but people can move quickly. Those boxes would need some time. Dillard was an "official" photographer. He was supposed to be there and would have been on the conspiracy's photographer list. Powell just happened to come on his own, and then afterwards, by his account, went around with the police because he has some kind of intelligence credentials. That might make him seem suspicious, but I think that probably is what kept him under the radar of the conspirators. They didn't get to his film in time to change the boxes to the way they wanted them. It might also imply other things, since a couple of people are visible in the Dillard who aren't visible in the Powell.
Walt
2012-12-19 23:42:48 UTC
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Post by Saintly Oswald
On way to approach Walt's theory is to examine the building's shadow on the fire escape, which is visible in both photos. I'm not an expert on this kind of thing and I don't know how much the camera angles might effect the result, but the ladder should become more shadowed as time passes.
Just to ease your doubt about what your eyes see..... You don't need
to be any "expert" to know that the shadow of the TSBD wil grow longer
as the afternoon progresses. In other words the shadow of the TSBD
roofline (east wall) will fall farther and farther from the building
as the sun slides toward the western horizon. Based on this FACT
there would have been NO shadow of the building's roofline on the fire
escape when the sun was at it's Zenith that day, then as the time
passed the roofline shadow would have struck the fire escape down near
the bottom of the fire escape and gradually climbed higher and higher
on the fire escape as time passed. Since it's obvious that the shadow
is lower on the fire escape in the Powell photo, when compared to the
Dillard photo, Powell took his photo BEFORE Tom Dillard took his.....

I'm no genius, so if I can see this simple FACT, there is no excuse
for the Warren Commission. They KNEW the truth but chose to create a
lie to frame Oswald for the murder of President Kennedy.


It does seem to have noticeable increase of shadow on the Dillard
compared to the Powell, suggesting that Walt may be right. I hope it
doesn't go to his head.
Post by Saintly Oswald
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Post by Saintly Oswald
The Dillard and Powell photos seem to have been taken at nearly the same time, according the photographers' independent accounts and according to some details in the photos. But there are differences in the photos, most importantly, probably, the boxes in the sniper's nest. The difference in the boxes in the two pictures is too great to be explained by camera angle and distance. I think the Powell photo is probably the good one and the Dillard is fake, because the Dillard boxes match the official pictures of the sniper's nest. Since they wouldn't fake it to be different, the Powell is probably genuine. There are other differences involving people, but people can move quickly. Those boxes would need some time. Dillard was an "official" photographer. He was supposed to be there and would have been on the conspiracy's photographer list. Powell just happened to come on his own, and then afterwards, by his account, went around with the police because he has some kind of intelligence credentials. That might make him seem suspicious, but I think that probably is what kept him under the radar of the conspirators. They didn't get to his film in time to change the boxes to the way they wanted them. It might also imply other things, since a couple of people are visible in the Dillard who aren't visible in the Powell.
Walt
2012-12-20 03:38:29 UTC
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Post by Saintly Oswald
On way to approach Walt's theory is to examine the building's shadow on the fire escape, which is visible in both photos. I'm not an expert on this kind of thing and I don't know how much the camera angles might effect the result, but the ladder should become more shadowed as time passes.
Just to ease your doubt about what your eyes see.....  You don't need
to be any "expert" to know that the shadow of the TSBD wil grow longer
as the afternoon progresses.  In other words the shadow of the TSBD
roofline (east wall) will fall farther and farther from the building
as the sun slides toward the western horizon.  Based on this FACT
there would have been NO shadow of the building's roofline on the fire
escape when the sun was at it's Zenith that day, then as the time
passed the roofline shadow would have struck the fire escape down near
the bottom of the fire escape and gradually climbed higher and higher
on the fire escape as time passed.  Since it's obvious that the shadow
is lower on the fire escape in the Powell photo, when compared to the
Dillard photo, Powell took his photo BEFORE Tom Dillard took his.....
I'm no genius, so if I can see this simple FACT, there is no excuse
for the Warren Commission. They KNEW the truth but chose to create a
lie to frame Oswald for the murder of President Kennedy.
Im sure there are those who simply can't believe their eyes so perhaps
using mathematics to prove the point will convince them. Just look
at the fire escape in both photos and assign a dimension for diameter
for the pipe the hand rails are made from. You can use any size you
want ..... but let's say the pipe is two inches across.....and then
let assume you're using a copy of the Powell photo that been enlarged
so the hand rails actually measure 1/4 inch on the photo. So the
handrail is actually 8 times larger than the photo shows it to be.
Now measure the distance from the roof edge shadow up to the bracket
that attaches the hand rail to the building and let's say you find
that the distance from the shadow to the bracket is 1 inches. That
means the shadow is actually eight inches down from the bracket in the
Powell photo.

Now you perform the same excercise on Tom Dillards photo and measure
the distance from the shadow to the bracket and find the distance is
3/4 of an inch. This means that the shadow is actually 6 inches down
from the bracket.

I should be obvious that since the shadow has risen two inches between
the photos, Powell had to have taken his photo BEFORE the Dillard
photo was taken.
 It does seem to have noticeable increase of shadow on the Dillard
compared to the Powell, suggesting that Walt may be right. I hope it
doesn't go to his head.
Post by Saintly Oswald
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Post by Saintly Oswald
The Dillard and Powell photos seem to have been taken at nearly the same time, according the photographers' independent accounts and according to some details in the photos. But there are differences in the photos, most importantly, probably, the boxes in the sniper's nest. The difference in the boxes in the two pictures is too great to be explained by camera angle and distance. I think the Powell photo is probably the good one and the Dillard is fake, because the Dillard boxes match the official pictures of the sniper's nest. Since they wouldn't fake it to be different, the Powell is probably genuine. There are other differences involving people, but people can move quickly. Those boxes would need some time. Dillard was an "official" photographer. He was supposed to be there and would have been on the conspiracy's photographer list. Powell just happened to come on his own, and then afterwards, by his account, went around with the police because he has some kind of intelligence credentials. That might make him seem suspicious, but I think that probably is what kept him under the radar of the conspirators. They didn't get to his film in time to change the boxes to the way they wanted them. It might also imply other things, since a couple of people are visible in the Dillard who aren't visible in the Powell.
Saintly Oswald
2012-12-20 08:06:30 UTC
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I actually did some crude measurements, though I didn't try to determine the time elapsed. In the Powell, an illuminated portion of the ladder whose length was "3.8" in relation to a fully illuminated portion, became "2.5" in the Dillard, in relation to that same portion in the Dillard. That is, the shadow advanced a measurable amount, even accounting for differences of scale in the two pictures. I don't think a minute or two would have produced such a significant change.
Post by Walt
Post by Saintly Oswald
On way to approach Walt's theory is to examine the building's shadow on the fire escape, which is visible in both photos. I'm not an expert on this kind of thing and I don't know how much the camera angles might effect the result, but the ladder should become more shadowed as time passes.
Just to ease your doubt about what your eyes see.....  You don't need
to be any "expert" to know that the shadow of the TSBD wil grow longer
as the afternoon progresses.  In other words the shadow of the TSBD
roofline (east wall) will fall farther and farther from the building
as the sun slides toward the western horizon.  Based on this FACT
there would have been NO shadow of the building's roofline on the fire
escape when the sun was at it's Zenith that day, then as the time
passed the roofline shadow would have struck the fire escape down near
the bottom of the fire escape and gradually climbed higher and higher
on the fire escape as time passed.  Since it's obvious that the shadow
is lower on the fire escape in the Powell photo, when compared to the
Dillard photo, Powell took his photo BEFORE Tom Dillard took his.....
I'm no genius, so if I can see this simple FACT, there is no excuse
for the Warren Commission. They KNEW the truth but chose to create a
lie to frame Oswald for the murder of President Kennedy.
Im sure there are those who simply can't believe their eyes so perhaps
using mathematics to prove the point will convince them. Just look
at the fire escape in both photos and assign a dimension for diameter
for the pipe the hand rails are made from. You can use any size you
want ..... but let's say the pipe is two inches across.....and then
let assume you're using a copy of the Powell photo that been enlarged
so the hand rails actually measure 1/4 inch on the photo. So the
handrail is actually 8 times larger than the photo shows it to be.
Now measure the distance from the roof edge shadow up to the bracket
that attaches the hand rail to the building and let's say you find
that the distance from the shadow to the bracket is 1 inches. That
means the shadow is actually eight inches down from the bracket in the
Powell photo.
Now you perform the same excercise on Tom Dillards photo and measure
the distance from the shadow to the bracket and find the distance is
3/4 of an inch. This means that the shadow is actually 6 inches down
from the bracket.
I should be obvious that since the shadow has risen two inches between
the photos, Powell had to have taken his photo BEFORE the Dillard
photo was taken.
 It does seem to have noticeable increase of shadow on the Dillard
compared to the Powell, suggesting that Walt may be right. I hope it
doesn't go to his head.
Post by Saintly Oswald
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Post by Saintly Oswald
The Dillard and Powell photos seem to have been taken at nearly the same time, according the photographers' independent accounts and according to some details in the photos. But there are differences in the photos, most importantly, probably, the boxes in the sniper's nest. The difference in the boxes in the two pictures is too great to be explained by camera angle and distance. I think the Powell photo is probably the good one and the Dillard is fake, because the Dillard boxes match the official pictures of the sniper's nest. Since they wouldn't fake it to be different, the Powell is probably genuine. There are other differences involving people, but people can move quickly. Those boxes would need some time. Dillard was an "official" photographer. He was supposed to be there and would have been on the conspiracy's photographer list. Powell just happened to come on his own, and then afterwards, by his account, went around with the police because he has some kind of intelligence credentials. That might make him seem suspicious, but I think that probably is what kept him under the radar of the conspirators. They didn't get to his film in time to change the boxes to the way they wanted them. It might also imply other things, since a couple of people are visible in the Dillard who aren't visible in the Powell.
Saintly Oswald
2012-12-20 08:44:21 UTC
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A math whiz could actually measure the time elapsed using the fire escape ladders in this pictures and other determinable data, I'm sure. The shadows on the front of the building are harder to measure well because the Powell doesn't have the resolution required to measure a shadow to a particular brick. The resolution is no better on the ladder, of course, but the shadow moves more on the ladder because it is further away from the shading object. The sun's motion is magnified and easier to see, like on a sundial which uses a raised shading object.
Post by Saintly Oswald
I actually did some crude measurements, though I didn't try to determine the time elapsed. In the Powell, an illuminated portion of the ladder whose length was "3.8" in relation to a fully illuminated portion, became "2.5" in the Dillard, in relation to that same portion in the Dillard. That is, the shadow advanced a measurable amount, even accounting for differences of scale in the two pictures. I don't think a minute or two would have produced such a significant change.
Post by Walt
Post by Saintly Oswald
On way to approach Walt's theory is to examine the building's shadow on the fire escape, which is visible in both photos. I'm not an expert on this kind of thing and I don't know how much the camera angles might effect the result, but the ladder should become more shadowed as time passes.
Just to ease your doubt about what your eyes see.....  You don't need
to be any "expert" to know that the shadow of the TSBD wil grow longer
as the afternoon progresses.  In other words the shadow of the TSBD
roofline (east wall) will fall farther and farther from the building
as the sun slides toward the western horizon.  Based on this FACT
there would have been NO shadow of the building's roofline on the fire
escape when the sun was at it's Zenith that day, then as the time
passed the roofline shadow would have struck the fire escape down near
the bottom of the fire escape and gradually climbed higher and higher
on the fire escape as time passed.  Since it's obvious that the shadow
is lower on the fire escape in the Powell photo, when compared to the
Dillard photo, Powell took his photo BEFORE Tom Dillard took his.....
I'm no genius, so if I can see this simple FACT, there is no excuse
for the Warren Commission. They KNEW the truth but chose to create a
lie to frame Oswald for the murder of President Kennedy.
Im sure there are those who simply can't believe their eyes so perhaps
using mathematics to prove the point will convince them. Just look
at the fire escape in both photos and assign a dimension for diameter
for the pipe the hand rails are made from. You can use any size you
want ..... but let's say the pipe is two inches across.....and then
let assume you're using a copy of the Powell photo that been enlarged
so the hand rails actually measure 1/4 inch on the photo. So the
handrail is actually 8 times larger than the photo shows it to be.
Now measure the distance from the roof edge shadow up to the bracket
that attaches the hand rail to the building and let's say you find
that the distance from the shadow to the bracket is 1 inches. That
means the shadow is actually eight inches down from the bracket in the
Powell photo.
Now you perform the same excercise on Tom Dillards photo and measure
the distance from the shadow to the bracket and find the distance is
3/4 of an inch. This means that the shadow is actually 6 inches down
from the bracket.
I should be obvious that since the shadow has risen two inches between
the photos, Powell had to have taken his photo BEFORE the Dillard
photo was taken.
 It does seem to have noticeable increase of shadow on the Dillard
compared to the Powell, suggesting that Walt may be right. I hope it
doesn't go to his head.
Post by Saintly Oswald
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Post by Saintly Oswald
The Dillard and Powell photos seem to have been taken at nearly the same time, according the photographers' independent accounts and according to some details in the photos. But there are differences in the photos, most importantly, probably, the boxes in the sniper's nest. The difference in the boxes in the two pictures is too great to be explained by camera angle and distance. I think the Powell photo is probably the good one and the Dillard is fake, because the Dillard boxes match the official pictures of the sniper's nest. Since they wouldn't fake it to be different, the Powell is probably genuine. There are other differences involving people, but people can move quickly. Those boxes would need some time. Dillard was an "official" photographer. He was supposed to be there and would have been on the conspiracy's photographer list. Powell just happened to come on his own, and then afterwards, by his account, went around with the police because he has some kind of intelligence credentials. That might make him seem suspicious, but I think that probably is what kept him under the radar of the conspirators. They didn't get to his film in time to change the boxes to the way they wanted them. It might also imply other things, since a couple of people are visible in the Dillard who aren't visible in the Powell.
Saintly Oswald
2012-12-20 09:21:15 UTC
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I hate to complicate things (not really), but the ladder in the Weaver photo looks to be illuminated far more like the Powell than the Dillard, and we know the Weaver was taken when JFK was turning onto Houston Street. That's the subject of the photo! In the Powell and Dillard you can't see anything at all on street level.

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Post by Saintly Oswald
A math whiz could actually measure the time elapsed using the fire escape ladders in this pictures and other determinable data, I'm sure. The shadows on the front of the building are harder to measure well because the Powell doesn't have the resolution required to measure a shadow to a particular brick. The resolution is no better on the ladder, of course, but the shadow moves more on the ladder because it is further away from the shading object. The sun's motion is magnified and easier to see, like on a sundial which uses a raised shading object.
Post by Saintly Oswald
I actually did some crude measurements, though I didn't try to determine the time elapsed. In the Powell, an illuminated portion of the ladder whose length was "3.8" in relation to a fully illuminated portion, became "2.5" in the Dillard, in relation to that same portion in the Dillard. That is, the shadow advanced a measurable amount, even accounting for differences of scale in the two pictures. I don't think a minute or two would have produced such a significant change.
Post by Walt
Post by Saintly Oswald
On way to approach Walt's theory is to examine the building's shadow on the fire escape, which is visible in both photos. I'm not an expert on this kind of thing and I don't know how much the camera angles might effect the result, but the ladder should become more shadowed as time passes.
Just to ease your doubt about what your eyes see.....  You don't need
to be any "expert" to know that the shadow of the TSBD wil grow longer
as the afternoon progresses.  In other words the shadow of the TSBD
roofline (east wall) will fall farther and farther from the building
as the sun slides toward the western horizon.  Based on this FACT
there would have been NO shadow of the building's roofline on the fire
escape when the sun was at it's Zenith that day, then as the time
passed the roofline shadow would have struck the fire escape down near
the bottom of the fire escape and gradually climbed higher and higher
on the fire escape as time passed.  Since it's obvious that the shadow
is lower on the fire escape in the Powell photo, when compared to the
Dillard photo, Powell took his photo BEFORE Tom Dillard took his.....
I'm no genius, so if I can see this simple FACT, there is no excuse
for the Warren Commission. They KNEW the truth but chose to create a
lie to frame Oswald for the murder of President Kennedy.
Im sure there are those who simply can't believe their eyes so perhaps
using mathematics to prove the point will convince them. Just look
at the fire escape in both photos and assign a dimension for diameter
for the pipe the hand rails are made from. You can use any size you
want ..... but let's say the pipe is two inches across.....and then
let assume you're using a copy of the Powell photo that been enlarged
so the hand rails actually measure 1/4 inch on the photo. So the
handrail is actually 8 times larger than the photo shows it to be.
Now measure the distance from the roof edge shadow up to the bracket
that attaches the hand rail to the building and let's say you find
that the distance from the shadow to the bracket is 1 inches. That
means the shadow is actually eight inches down from the bracket in the
Powell photo.
Now you perform the same excercise on Tom Dillards photo and measure
the distance from the shadow to the bracket and find the distance is
3/4 of an inch. This means that the shadow is actually 6 inches down
from the bracket.
I should be obvious that since the shadow has risen two inches between
the photos, Powell had to have taken his photo BEFORE the Dillard
photo was taken.
 It does seem to have noticeable increase of shadow on the Dillard
compared to the Powell, suggesting that Walt may be right. I hope it
doesn't go to his head.
Post by Saintly Oswald
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Post by Saintly Oswald
The Dillard and Powell photos seem to have been taken at nearly the same time, according the photographers' independent accounts and according to some details in the photos. But there are differences in the photos, most importantly, probably, the boxes in the sniper's nest. The difference in the boxes in the two pictures is too great to be explained by camera angle and distance. I think the Powell photo is probably the good one and the Dillard is fake, because the Dillard boxes match the official pictures of the sniper's nest. Since they wouldn't fake it to be different, the Powell is probably genuine. There are other differences involving people, but people can move quickly. Those boxes would need some time. Dillard was an "official" photographer. He was supposed to be there and would have been on the conspiracy's photographer list. Powell just happened to come on his own, and then afterwards, by his account, went around with the police because he has some kind of intelligence credentials. That might make him seem suspicious, but I think that probably is what kept him under the radar of the conspirators. They didn't get to his film in time to change the boxes to the way they wanted them. It might also imply other things, since a couple of people are visible in the Dillard who aren't visible in the Powell.
Saintly Oswald
2012-12-20 11:54:29 UTC
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Also I cannot dismiss the fact that two of the windows in the wide angle shots of Dillard and Powell are practically identical, 1 and 4 in my illustration. If the photos are unaltered, then these pictures must have been taken very close together. Yet, the shadow evidence on the fire escape indicates that they were taken several minutes apart. Loading Image... Therefore, alterations must have been made to make them seem close together.
Post by Saintly Oswald
I hate to complicate things (not really), but the ladder in the Weaver photo looks to be illuminated far more like the Powell than the Dillard, and we know the Weaver was taken when JFK was turning onto Houston Street. That's the subject of the photo! In the Powell and Dillard you can't see anything at all on street level.
https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-8i_0HckTZzk/UNLYXM_gyUI/AAAAAAAAArs/UXWW0qA7bFc/s1022/Ladders3.jpg
Post by Saintly Oswald
A math whiz could actually measure the time elapsed using the fire escape ladders in this pictures and other determinable data, I'm sure. The shadows on the front of the building are harder to measure well because the Powell doesn't have the resolution required to measure a shadow to a particular brick. The resolution is no better on the ladder, of course, but the shadow moves more on the ladder because it is further away from the shading object. The sun's motion is magnified and easier to see, like on a sundial which uses a raised shading object.
Post by Saintly Oswald
I actually did some crude measurements, though I didn't try to determine the time elapsed. In the Powell, an illuminated portion of the ladder whose length was "3.8" in relation to a fully illuminated portion, became "2.5" in the Dillard, in relation to that same portion in the Dillard. That is, the shadow advanced a measurable amount, even accounting for differences of scale in the two pictures. I don't think a minute or two would have produced such a significant change.
Post by Walt
Post by Saintly Oswald
On way to approach Walt's theory is to examine the building's shadow on the fire escape, which is visible in both photos. I'm not an expert on this kind of thing and I don't know how much the camera angles might effect the result, but the ladder should become more shadowed as time passes.
Just to ease your doubt about what your eyes see.....  You don't need
to be any "expert" to know that the shadow of the TSBD wil grow longer
as the afternoon progresses.  In other words the shadow of the TSBD
roofline (east wall) will fall farther and farther from the building
as the sun slides toward the western horizon.  Based on this FACT
there would have been NO shadow of the building's roofline on the fire
escape when the sun was at it's Zenith that day, then as the time
passed the roofline shadow would have struck the fire escape down near
the bottom of the fire escape and gradually climbed higher and higher
on the fire escape as time passed.  Since it's obvious that the shadow
is lower on the fire escape in the Powell photo, when compared to the
Dillard photo, Powell took his photo BEFORE Tom Dillard took his.....
I'm no genius, so if I can see this simple FACT, there is no excuse
for the Warren Commission. They KNEW the truth but chose to create a
lie to frame Oswald for the murder of President Kennedy.
Im sure there are those who simply can't believe their eyes so perhaps
using mathematics to prove the point will convince them. Just look
at the fire escape in both photos and assign a dimension for diameter
for the pipe the hand rails are made from. You can use any size you
want ..... but let's say the pipe is two inches across.....and then
let assume you're using a copy of the Powell photo that been enlarged
so the hand rails actually measure 1/4 inch on the photo. So the
handrail is actually 8 times larger than the photo shows it to be.
Now measure the distance from the roof edge shadow up to the bracket
that attaches the hand rail to the building and let's say you find
that the distance from the shadow to the bracket is 1 inches. That
means the shadow is actually eight inches down from the bracket in the
Powell photo.
Now you perform the same excercise on Tom Dillards photo and measure
the distance from the shadow to the bracket and find the distance is
3/4 of an inch. This means that the shadow is actually 6 inches down
from the bracket.
I should be obvious that since the shadow has risen two inches between
the photos, Powell had to have taken his photo BEFORE the Dillard
photo was taken.
 It does seem to have noticeable increase of shadow on the Dillard
compared to the Powell, suggesting that Walt may be right. I hope it
doesn't go to his head.
Post by Saintly Oswald
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Post by Saintly Oswald
The Dillard and Powell photos seem to have been taken at nearly the same time, according the photographers' independent accounts and according to some details in the photos. But there are differences in the photos, most importantly, probably, the boxes in the sniper's nest. The difference in the boxes in the two pictures is too great to be explained by camera angle and distance. I think the Powell photo is probably the good one and the Dillard is fake, because the Dillard boxes match the official pictures of the sniper's nest. Since they wouldn't fake it to be different, the Powell is probably genuine. There are other differences involving people, but people can move quickly. Those boxes would need some time. Dillard was an "official" photographer. He was supposed to be there and would have been on the conspiracy's photographer list. Powell just happened to come on his own, and then afterwards, by his account, went around with the police because he has some kind of intelligence credentials. That might make him seem suspicious, but I think that probably is what kept him under the radar of the conspirators. They didn't get to his film in time to change the boxes to the way they wanted them. It might also imply other things, since a couple of people are visible in the Dillard who aren't visible in the Powell.
Saintly Oswald
2012-12-20 11:59:50 UTC
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If you were to take windows 1 and 4 out of the Powell, the only remarkable thing left is the gun in the sniper's nest, which you can't see in my illustration.

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-AEPwnmwUfY4/UNL5Nz2MUOI/AAAAAAAAAsQ/hBeGjqZzJNY/s725/PowellDillardWindows2.jpg

Perhaps windows 1 and 4 were faked in the Powell to make it seem closer in time to the Dillard.
Post by Saintly Oswald
https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-AEPwnmwUfY4/UNL5Nz2MUOI/AAAAAAAAAsQ/hBeGjqZzJNY/s725/PowellDillardWindows2.jpg
Also I cannot dismiss the fact that two of the windows in the wide angle shots of Dillard and Powell are practically identical, 1 and 4 in my illustration. If the photos are unaltered, then these pictures must have been taken very close together. Yet, the shadow evidence on the fire escape indicates that they were taken several minutes apart. https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-8i_0HckTZzk/UNLYXM_gyUI/AAAAAAAAArs/UXWW0qA7bFc/w695-h389-p-k/Ladders3.jpg Therefore, alterations must have been made to make them seem close together.
Post by Saintly Oswald
I hate to complicate things (not really), but the ladder in the Weaver photo looks to be illuminated far more like the Powell than the Dillard, and we know the Weaver was taken when JFK was turning onto Houston Street. That's the subject of the photo! In the Powell and Dillard you can't see anything at all on street level.
https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-8i_0HckTZzk/UNLYXM_gyUI/AAAAAAAAArs/UXWW0qA7bFc/s1022/Ladders3.jpg
Post by Saintly Oswald
A math whiz could actually measure the time elapsed using the fire escape ladders in this pictures and other determinable data, I'm sure. The shadows on the front of the building are harder to measure well because the Powell doesn't have the resolution required to measure a shadow to a particular brick. The resolution is no better on the ladder, of course, but the shadow moves more on the ladder because it is further away from the shading object. The sun's motion is magnified and easier to see, like on a sundial which uses a raised shading object.
Post by Saintly Oswald
I actually did some crude measurements, though I didn't try to determine the time elapsed. In the Powell, an illuminated portion of the ladder whose length was "3.8" in relation to a fully illuminated portion, became "2.5" in the Dillard, in relation to that same portion in the Dillard. That is, the shadow advanced a measurable amount, even accounting for differences of scale in the two pictures. I don't think a minute or two would have produced such a significant change.
Post by Walt
Post by Saintly Oswald
On way to approach Walt's theory is to examine the building's shadow on the fire escape, which is visible in both photos. I'm not an expert on this kind of thing and I don't know how much the camera angles might effect the result, but the ladder should become more shadowed as time passes.
Just to ease your doubt about what your eyes see.....  You don't need
to be any "expert" to know that the shadow of the TSBD wil grow longer
as the afternoon progresses.  In other words the shadow of the TSBD
roofline (east wall) will fall farther and farther from the building
as the sun slides toward the western horizon.  Based on this FACT
there would have been NO shadow of the building's roofline on the fire
escape when the sun was at it's Zenith that day, then as the time
passed the roofline shadow would have struck the fire escape down near
the bottom of the fire escape and gradually climbed higher and higher
on the fire escape as time passed.  Since it's obvious that the shadow
is lower on the fire escape in the Powell photo, when compared to the
Dillard photo, Powell took his photo BEFORE Tom Dillard took his.....
I'm no genius, so if I can see this simple FACT, there is no excuse
for the Warren Commission. They KNEW the truth but chose to create a
lie to frame Oswald for the murder of President Kennedy.
Im sure there are those who simply can't believe their eyes so perhaps
using mathematics to prove the point will convince them. Just look
at the fire escape in both photos and assign a dimension for diameter
for the pipe the hand rails are made from. You can use any size you
want ..... but let's say the pipe is two inches across.....and then
let assume you're using a copy of the Powell photo that been enlarged
so the hand rails actually measure 1/4 inch on the photo. So the
handrail is actually 8 times larger than the photo shows it to be.
Now measure the distance from the roof edge shadow up to the bracket
that attaches the hand rail to the building and let's say you find
that the distance from the shadow to the bracket is 1 inches. That
means the shadow is actually eight inches down from the bracket in the
Powell photo.
Now you perform the same excercise on Tom Dillards photo and measure
the distance from the shadow to the bracket and find the distance is
3/4 of an inch. This means that the shadow is actually 6 inches down
from the bracket.
I should be obvious that since the shadow has risen two inches between
the photos, Powell had to have taken his photo BEFORE the Dillard
photo was taken.
 It does seem to have noticeable increase of shadow on the Dillard
compared to the Powell, suggesting that Walt may be right. I hope it
doesn't go to his head.
Post by Saintly Oswald
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The Dillard and Powell photos seem to have been taken at nearly the same time, according the photographers' independent accounts and according to some details in the photos. But there are differences in the photos, most importantly, probably, the boxes in the sniper's nest. The difference in the boxes in the two pictures is too great to be explained by camera angle and distance. I think the Powell photo is probably the good one and the Dillard is fake, because the Dillard boxes match the official pictures of the sniper's nest. Since they wouldn't fake it to be different, the Powell is probably genuine. There are other differences involving people, but people can move quickly. Those boxes would need some time. Dillard was an "official" photographer. He was supposed to be there and would have been on the conspiracy's photographer list. Powell just happened to come on his own, and then afterwards, by his account, went around with the police because he has some kind of intelligence credentials. That might make him seem suspicious, but I think that probably is what kept him under the radar of the conspirators. They didn't get to his film in time to change the boxes to the way they wanted them. It might also imply other things, since a couple of people are visible in the Dillard who aren't visible in the Powell.
Saintly Oswald
2012-12-20 12:20:51 UTC
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It could be that the Powell was faked using the Dillard to give it the right timing, but that when this was done, Jarman and Norman had not yet been added to the Dillard. Of course, Norman never got added to the Dillard wide angle, either. Hey, the murderers were very busy at the time. You can't expect them to catch everything.
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If you were to take windows 1 and 4 out of the Powell, the only remarkable thing left is the gun in the sniper's nest, which you can't see in my illustration.
https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-AEPwnmwUfY4/UNL5Nz2MUOI/AAAAAAAAAsQ/hBeGjqZzJNY/s725/PowellDillardWindows2.jpg
Perhaps windows 1 and 4 were faked in the Powell to make it seem closer in time to the Dillard.
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https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-AEPwnmwUfY4/UNL5Nz2MUOI/AAAAAAAAAsQ/hBeGjqZzJNY/s725/PowellDillardWindows2.jpg
Also I cannot dismiss the fact that two of the windows in the wide angle shots of Dillard and Powell are practically identical, 1 and 4 in my illustration. If the photos are unaltered, then these pictures must have been taken very close together. Yet, the shadow evidence on the fire escape indicates that they were taken several minutes apart. https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-8i_0HckTZzk/UNLYXM_gyUI/AAAAAAAAArs/UXWW0qA7bFc/w695-h389-p-k/Ladders3.jpg Therefore, alterations must have been made to make them seem close together.
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I hate to complicate things (not really), but the ladder in the Weaver photo looks to be illuminated far more like the Powell than the Dillard, and we know the Weaver was taken when JFK was turning onto Houston Street. That's the subject of the photo! In the Powell and Dillard you can't see anything at all on street level.
https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-8i_0HckTZzk/UNLYXM_gyUI/AAAAAAAAArs/UXWW0qA7bFc/s1022/Ladders3.jpg
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A math whiz could actually measure the time elapsed using the fire escape ladders in this pictures and other determinable data, I'm sure. The shadows on the front of the building are harder to measure well because the Powell doesn't have the resolution required to measure a shadow to a particular brick. The resolution is no better on the ladder, of course, but the shadow moves more on the ladder because it is further away from the shading object. The sun's motion is magnified and easier to see, like on a sundial which uses a raised shading object.
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I actually did some crude measurements, though I didn't try to determine the time elapsed. In the Powell, an illuminated portion of the ladder whose length was "3.8" in relation to a fully illuminated portion, became "2.5" in the Dillard, in relation to that same portion in the Dillard. That is, the shadow advanced a measurable amount, even accounting for differences of scale in the two pictures. I don't think a minute or two would have produced such a significant change.
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On way to approach Walt's theory is to examine the building's shadow on the fire escape, which is visible in both photos. I'm not an expert on this kind of thing and I don't know how much the camera angles might effect the result, but the ladder should become more shadowed as time passes.
Just to ease your doubt about what your eyes see.....  You don't need
to be any "expert" to know that the shadow of the TSBD wil grow longer
as the afternoon progresses.  In other words the shadow of the TSBD
roofline (east wall) will fall farther and farther from the building
as the sun slides toward the western horizon.  Based on this FACT
there would have been NO shadow of the building's roofline on the fire
escape when the sun was at it's Zenith that day, then as the time
passed the roofline shadow would have struck the fire escape down near
the bottom of the fire escape and gradually climbed higher and higher
on the fire escape as time passed.  Since it's obvious that the shadow
is lower on the fire escape in the Powell photo, when compared to the
Dillard photo, Powell took his photo BEFORE Tom Dillard took his.....
I'm no genius, so if I can see this simple FACT, there is no excuse
for the Warren Commission. They KNEW the truth but chose to create a
lie to frame Oswald for the murder of President Kennedy.
Im sure there are those who simply can't believe their eyes so perhaps
using mathematics to prove the point will convince them. Just look
at the fire escape in both photos and assign a dimension for diameter
for the pipe the hand rails are made from. You can use any size you
want ..... but let's say the pipe is two inches across.....and then
let assume you're using a copy of the Powell photo that been enlarged
so the hand rails actually measure 1/4 inch on the photo. So the
handrail is actually 8 times larger than the photo shows it to be.
Now measure the distance from the roof edge shadow up to the bracket
that attaches the hand rail to the building and let's say you find
that the distance from the shadow to the bracket is 1 inches. That
means the shadow is actually eight inches down from the bracket in the
Powell photo.
Now you perform the same excercise on Tom Dillards photo and measure
the distance from the shadow to the bracket and find the distance is
3/4 of an inch. This means that the shadow is actually 6 inches down
from the bracket.
I should be obvious that since the shadow has risen two inches between
the photos, Powell had to have taken his photo BEFORE the Dillard
photo was taken.
 It does seem to have noticeable increase of shadow on the Dillard
compared to the Powell, suggesting that Walt may be right. I hope it
doesn't go to his head.
Post by Saintly Oswald
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The Dillard and Powell photos seem to have been taken at nearly the same time, according the photographers' independent accounts and according to some details in the photos. But there are differences in the photos, most importantly, probably, the boxes in the sniper's nest. The difference in the boxes in the two pictures is too great to be explained by camera angle and distance. I think the Powell photo is probably the good one and the Dillard is fake, because the Dillard boxes match the official pictures of the sniper's nest. Since they wouldn't fake it to be different, the Powell is probably genuine. There are other differences involving people, but people can move quickly. Those boxes would need some time. Dillard was an "official" photographer. He was supposed to be there and would have been on the conspiracy's photographer list. Powell just happened to come on his own, and then afterwards, by his account, went around with the police because he has some kind of intelligence credentials. That might make him seem suspicious, but I think that probably is what kept him under the radar of the conspirators. They didn't get to his film in time to change the boxes to the way they wanted them. It might also imply other things, since a couple of people are visible in the Dillard who aren't visible in the Powell.
Walt
2012-12-20 12:54:40 UTC
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Post by Saintly Oswald
A math whiz could actually measure the time elapsed using the fire escape ladders in this pictures and other determinable data, I'm sure.
You don't have to be a "math whiz" to determine how much time lapsed
between Powell and Dillard. It's relatively easy to enlarge the
photos and then use a compass card or protractor to measure the shadow
angle on the ladder. Once you have that angle you can use a sun chart
for Dallas on 11 /22 and determine how much time elapsed between the
photos.

I'll tell you this much.....The HSCA was lying when they claimed that
Dillard's photo preceeded Powell's by 30 seconds.




The shadows on the front of the building are harder to measure well
because the Powell doesn't have the resolution required to measure a
shadow to a particular brick. The resolution is no better on the
ladder, of course, but the shadow moves more on the ladder because it
is further away from the shading object. The sun's motion is magnified
and easier to see, like on a sundial which uses a raised shading
object.
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Post by Saintly Oswald
I actually did some crude measurements, though I didn't try to determine the time elapsed. In the Powell, an illuminated portion of the ladder whose length was "3.8" in relation to a fully illuminated portion, became "2.5" in the Dillard, in relation to that same portion in the Dillard. That is, the shadow advanced a measurable amount, even accounting for differences of scale in the two pictures. I don't think a minute or two would have produced such a significant change.
Post by Walt
Post by Saintly Oswald
On way to approach Walt's theory is to examine the building's shadow on the fire escape, which is visible in both photos. I'm not an expert on this kind of thing and I don't know how much the camera angles might effect the result, but the ladder should become more shadowed as time passes.
Just to ease your doubt about what your eyes see.....  You don't need
to be any "expert" to know that the shadow of the TSBD wil grow longer
as the afternoon progresses.  In other words the shadow of the TSBD
roofline (east wall) will fall farther and farther from the building
as the sun slides toward the western horizon.  Based on this FACT
there would have been NO shadow of the building's roofline on the fire
escape when the sun was at it's Zenith that day, then as the time
passed the roofline shadow would have struck the fire escape down near
the bottom of the fire escape and gradually climbed higher and higher
on the fire escape as time passed.  Since it's obvious that the shadow
is lower on the fire escape in the Powell photo, when compared to the
Dillard photo, Powell took his photo BEFORE Tom Dillard took his.....
I'm no genius, so if I can see this simple FACT, there is no excuse
for the Warren Commission. They KNEW the truth but chose to create a
lie to frame Oswald for the murder of President Kennedy.
Im sure there are those who simply can't believe their eyes so perhaps
using mathematics to prove the point will convince them.    Just look
at the fire escape in both photos and assign a dimension for diameter
for the pipe the hand rails are made from.   You can use any size you
want ..... but let's say the pipe is two inches across.....and then
let assume you're using a copy of the Powell photo that been enlarged
so the hand rails actually measure 1/4 inch on the photo. So the
handrail is actually 8 times larger than the photo shows it to be.
Now measure the distance from the roof edge shadow up to the bracket
that attaches the hand rail to the building and let's say you find
that the distance from the shadow to the bracket is 1 inches.   That
means the shadow is actually eight inches down from the bracket in the
Powell photo.
Now you perform the same excercise on Tom Dillards photo and measure
the distance from the shadow to the bracket and find the distance is
3/4 of an inch. This means that the shadow is actually 6 inches down
from the bracket.
I should be obvious that since the shadow has risen two inches between
the photos, Powell had to have taken his photo BEFORE the Dillard
photo was taken.
 It does seem to have noticeable increase of shadow on the Dillard
compared to the Powell, suggesting that Walt may be right. I hope it
doesn't go to his head.
Post by Saintly Oswald
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Post by Saintly Oswald
The Dillard and Powell photos seem to have been taken at nearly the same time, according the photographers' independent accounts and according to some details in the photos. But there are differences in the photos, most importantly, probably, the boxes in the sniper's nest. The difference in the boxes in the two pictures is too great to be explained by camera angle and distance. I think the Powell photo is probably the good one and the Dillard is fake, because the Dillard boxes match the official pictures of the sniper's nest. Since they wouldn't fake it to be different, the Powell is probably genuine. There are other differences involving people, but people can move quickly. Those boxes would need some time. Dillard was an "official" photographer. He was supposed to be there and would have been on the conspiracy's photographer list. Powell just happened to come on his own, and then afterwards, by his account, went around with the police because he has some kind of intelligence credentials. That might make him seem suspicious, but I think that probably is what kept him under the radar of the conspirators. They didn't get to his film in time to change the boxes to the way they wanted them. It might also imply other things, since a couple of people are visible in the Dillard who aren't visible in the Powell.
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