The Most Frequently Told Lie By Believers...

[Ben Holmes]

"No credible evidence..."

I'd be a rich man if I had a nickel for everytime a believer posted
that phrase...

It is, of course, a meaningless phrase... believers like Corbutt
cannot support it by any citation to ANYTHING... so all they're really
saying is that they don't believe the evidence.

That is, of course, EXACTLY the problem - they believe a bunch of
lawyers, untrained in any investigative procedures, to tell us what
happened.

Never mind that these lawyers flat LIED about their own collected
testimony from eyewitnesses... because believers will never
acknowledge this fact.

Never mind that the average person finds dozens of witnesses who
pointed to the GK "credible" - that means nothing to believers. It's
not "credible" to "them.*

It's good to see Corbutt finally throwing in the towel, and running
away for good. One less liar to refute on a daily basis.

[Bud]

Post by Ben Holmes
"No credible evidence..."
I'd be a rich man if I had a nickel for everytime a believer posted
that phrase...
It is, of course, a meaningless phrase... believers like Corbutt
cannot support it by any citation to ANYTHING... so all they're really
saying is that they don't believe the evidence.

Your mangling of the concept is meaningless.

Post by Ben Holmes
That is, of course, EXACTLY the problem - they believe a bunch of
lawyers, untrained in any investigative procedures, to tell us what
happened.

You will never support that lawyers are untrained in investigative procedures.

Of course you never support any of your hot air.

Post by Ben Holmes
Never mind that these lawyers flat LIED about their own collected
testimony from eyewitnesses... because believers will never
acknowledge this fact.

You refuse to establish this as fact.

Post by Ben Holmes
Never mind that the average person finds dozens of witnesses who
pointed to the GK "credible" - that means nothing to believers. It's
not "credible" to "them.*

You never support the idea that where people *thought* the sound of the shots came from rises to the level of credible evidence.

Of course, you never support anything you say.

Post by Ben Holmes
It's good to see Corbutt finally throwing in the towel, and running
away for good. One less liar to refute on a daily basis.

You have your own little world going on.

[Gil Jesus]

Post by Bud
You have your own little world going on.

But his is not a world where all the cops are honest.
Where cops don't lie under oath.
Where prosecutory misconduct is OK.
Where the violation of one's Constitutional rights is ok.

His is not a world where witnesses are harassed and threatened and that's OK.
His is not a world where evidence is handled in a most haphazard way and that's OK.
His is not a world where witnesses are ignored and authorities are ordered not to interview them and that's OK.
His is not a world where a suspect can be completely searched TWICE by police and still have bullet cartridges in his pocket.

His is not a world where even though witnesses could not identify the items in evidence as the items they found, the items in evidence are accepted as the items they found.
His is not a world where even though the shells at the murder scene did not match the bullets from the officer's body, those shells contained the bullets.
His is not a world where authorities are so stupid that they can't tell one rifle from another, or a .38 special from a .38 automatic even though they're all clearly marked.
His is not a world where authorities are so stupid they can't tell a white jacket from a "tannish grey" one.
His is not a world where a witness' choice of someone who she never saw before can be considered, "a positive identification".

His is not a world of magic bullet paths or a moving back wound.
His is not a world where a lack of a bullet track is proof of a transiting bullet.
His is not a world where autopsists can determine whether a bullet wound is a wound of entry or a wound of exit without having ever seen it.

No, that's YOUR "own little world" and that of your Lone Nut allies and you are happy in it, along with your Sugar Plum Fairy followers like Christine Strimbu and BT George.
And I'm happy for you.

[Bud]

Post by Gil Jesus

Post by Bud
You have your own little world going on.

But his is not a world where all the cops are honest.
Where cops don't lie under oath.

We live in a world where lone nuts take a gun and go out into the world to inflict violence. Using your logic this means Oswald is guilty.

Post by Gil Jesus
Where prosecutory misconduct is OK.

Who said there was any in this case? You? Other crackpots?

Post by Gil Jesus
Where the violation of one's Constitutional rights is ok.

Who said there was any in this case? You? Other crackpots?

Post by Gil Jesus
His is not a world where witnesses are harassed and threatened and that's OK.

What exactly were the threats?

Post by Gil Jesus
His is not a world where evidence is handled in a most haphazard way and that's OK.

You are the one that finds the conviction rate to be suspicious, apparently they know more about how to handle evidence than you do.

Post by Gil Jesus
His is not a world where witnesses are ignored and authorities are ordered not to interview them and that's OK.

Hundreds of conspiracy books, nobody tracks them down to see what they had to say?

Post by Gil Jesus
His is not a world where a suspect can be completely searched TWICE by police and still have bullet cartridges in his pocket.

Who said he was searched twice? You?

Post by Gil Jesus
His is not a world where even though witnesses could not identify the items in evidence as the items they found, the items in evidence are accepted as the items they found.

You refuse to show how it would be possible for the witnesses to make a positive identification of the evidence.

Post by Gil Jesus
His is not a world where even though the shells at the murder scene did not match the bullets from the officer's body, those shells contained the bullets.

You refuse to show how this is a problem. Do police always find every shell and every spent bullet in every shooting?

Post by Gil Jesus
His is not a world where authorities are so stupid that they can't tell one rifle from another, or a .38 special from a .38 automatic even though they're all clearly marked.

You refuse to show they read the markings on the items.

Post by Gil Jesus
His is not a world where authorities are so stupid they can't tell a white jacket from a "tannish grey" one.

Looks white to me in the film taken at the time it was found. Looks different in different light. Just like Oswald`s hair.

Post by Gil Jesus
His is not a world where a witness' choice of someone who she never saw before can be considered, "a positive identification".

You choose to exploit testimony because you have no interest in the truth.

Post by Gil Jesus
His is not a world of magic bullet paths or a moving back wound.

Conspiracy crackpot constructs.

Post by Gil Jesus
His is not a world where a lack of a bullet track is proof of a transiting bullet.

Who said it was?

Post by Gil Jesus
His is not a world where autopsists can determine whether a bullet wound is a wound of entry or a wound of exit without having ever seen it.

They can determine the path the bullet took and determine where it exited.

Post by Gil Jesus
No, that's YOUR "own little world" and that of your Lone Nut allies and you are happy in it,

I`m fine with reality. You, not so much.

Post by Gil Jesus
along with your Sugar Plum Fairy followers like Christine Strimbu and BT George.
And I'm happy for you.

[Ben Holmes]

On Wed, 20 Dec 2023 08:38:33 -0800 (PST), Bud <***@fast.net>
wrote:

So, according to Bugliosi, it was this "oval" shape that was
"virtually conclusive evidence" of an SBT?

Chickenshit is TERRIFIED of this simple honest question. He knows
that Bugliosi was a moron if he truly thought this... yet you can't
get Chickenshit to publicly acknowledge that Bugliosi said this.

It's a simple "Yes" or "No" question, and Chickenshit cannot cite
where he has EVER answered it. (Without immediately denying it.)

So it's going to keep getting asked until Chickenshit answers it.

[Ben Holmes]

On Tue, 19 Dec 2023 12:27:51 -0800 (PST), Bud <***@fast.net>
wrote:

So, according to Bugliosi, it was this "oval" shape that was
"virtually conclusive evidence" of an SBT?

Chickenshit is TERRIFIED of this simple honest question. He knows
that Bugliosi was a moron if he truly thought this... yet you can't
get Chickenshit to publicly acknowledge that Bugliosi said this.

It's a simple "Yes" or "No" question, and Chickenshit cannot cite
where he has EVER answered it. (Without immediately denying it.)

So it's going to keep getting asked until Chickenshit answers it.